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Agree.DonaldSanders wrote:You could argue we had 2 MVPs this year, personally I couldn't argue against either guy.
Shai earned it and is a great choice for MVP. Congrats Thunder!
jojo4341 wrote:SGA deserves to be an MVP, just not this year over Jokic. Jokic has his greatest statisitcal year and one of the best in history. I understand being the leader on the team with the best record...but if they can give Westbrook an MVP for his first Triple-Double season, then why not Jokic who completely overshadows him? Unfortunately voter fatigue is always a thing.
guynumber45 wrote:EArl wrote:slick_watts wrote:that's three different mvp's in an 11-season span for the thunder. an unprecedented achievement. only nine times in history has a team even had two different mvp's in a 15-season span. much less three in eleven. paul george also had a top-3 finish.
it's tough not to have any rings to show for it up to this point, but the thunder's ability to acquire and develop talent is unmatched.
They just need to turn those players into rings. Maybe this will be the year?
They will. They ain't losing to the Wolves and they damn sure ain't losing to the winner of Knicks/Pacers
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;
EArl wrote:guynumber45 wrote:EArl wrote:They just need to turn those players into rings. Maybe this will be the year?
They will. They ain't losing to the Wolves and they damn sure ain't losing to the winner of Knicks/Pacers
I would have said the same thing about the Celtics losing to the Knicks, but here we are.
nate33 wrote:Jokic should have won it. It's not his fault that his teammates are way worse than SGA's. But I don't hate that SGA won it. I get that this is a narrative driven award.
Mephariel wrote:nate33 wrote:Jokic should have won it. It's not his fault that his teammates are way worse than SGA's. But I don't hate that SGA won it. I get that this is a narrative driven award.
It is not SGA's fault his teammates are better.
Hair Jordan wrote:What makes the NBA MVP award exciting is the fact it’s narrative driven. If it was simply given to the best player every year than Jordan and Lebron would each have 10. Magic’s narrative in ‘87, Barkley’s in ‘93 and Malone’s in ‘97 cost Jordan 3 MVP’s just like Rose’s narrative in ‘12 cost Lebron an MVP. Those narratives keep the MVP interesting in my opinion. It’s better than watching one guy win it every year even if he’s deserving of it.
NBA_is_cringe wrote:Mephariel wrote:nate33 wrote:Jokic should have won it. It's not his fault that his teammates are way worse than SGA's. But I don't hate that SGA won it. I get that this is a narrative driven award.
It is not SGA's fault his teammates are better.Hair Jordan wrote:What makes the NBA MVP award exciting is the fact it’s narrative driven. If it was simply given to the best player every year than Jordan and Lebron would each have 10. Magic’s narrative in ‘87, Barkley’s in ‘93 and Malone’s in ‘97 cost Jordan 3 MVP’s just like Rose’s narrative in ‘12 cost Lebron an MVP. Those narratives keep the MVP interesting in my opinion. It’s better than watching one guy win it every year even if he’s deserving of it.
"most valuable player" isn't a good description of the best player on the best team. because the most valuable player is the best player in the nba. it's like if they had an award called "best player on the best team" and you give it to the best individual player regardless of how good their team is. i understand it's a way for the NBA to make more money but/so it's kind of cringe.
WarriorGM wrote:Steph is the greatest playmaker of all-time.
nate33 wrote:Jokic should have won it. It's not his fault that his teammates are way worse than SGA's. But I don't hate that SGA won it. I get that this is a narrative driven award.
cupcakesnake wrote:Johnny Firpo wrote:Both would have deserved it, I don't have any problem with this, whatsoever. SGA is the rare all-time great who did not look like one until the age of 23-24. He looked like a very good player. He must have worked so hard, and so many hours to get there. Superstars usually look like superstars at 21-22. He is the rare exception. Jokic might actually have been similar in that, now that I think about it. 7 international MVPs in a row, that's amazing. Hopefully Luka can be in really good shape next year, and maybe Wemby joining the hunt too, this could go on for a while. We could get to 10 in a row for sure.
Shai looked like a superstar at age 21-22. It went under the radar because he was playing on a tanking OKC team that was shutting him down with dubious injuries for most of the season. For anyone watching, the skill set was there. Back in 2021, Shai was getting into the paint at will, scoring efficiently from everywhere on the floor, defending, and playmaking. I felt it was clear this was a top 5 guard hiding in plain sight, and I wasn't the only one. It's just that most people weren't watching OKC, which is pretty fair considering how aggressive the tank was.
WarriorGM wrote:Steph is the greatest playmaker of all-time.
lethalizer wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:Johnny Firpo wrote:Both would have deserved it, I don't have any problem with this, whatsoever. SGA is the rare all-time great who did not look like one until the age of 23-24. He looked like a very good player. He must have worked so hard, and so many hours to get there. Superstars usually look like superstars at 21-22. He is the rare exception. Jokic might actually have been similar in that, now that I think about it. 7 international MVPs in a row, that's amazing. Hopefully Luka can be in really good shape next year, and maybe Wemby joining the hunt too, this could go on for a while. We could get to 10 in a row for sure.
Shai looked like a superstar at age 21-22. It went under the radar because he was playing on a tanking OKC team that was shutting him down with dubious injuries for most of the season. For anyone watching, the skill set was there. Back in 2021, Shai was getting into the paint at will, scoring efficiently from everywhere on the floor, defending, and playmaking. I felt it was clear this was a top 5 guard hiding in plain sight, and I wasn't the only one. It's just that most people weren't watching OKC, which is pretty fair considering how aggressive the tank was.
Yeah as a fan of OKC who has the fortune(or in this case, misfortune) of watching every game even during the rock bottom tanking seasons, I was getting glimpses of greatness when the 20-21 season started. During that 2021 February run, I was really getting hyped up but I still wasn't entirely sure if he could keep it up. When the 2021-2022 season rolled around though, I thought yeah, we have a great one coming up here.
I remember pinching myself and saying, "we can't be getting another superstar this soon after losing 2 MVPs, can we? that sh*t is incredibly rare."
But yet, here we are.
syrus3 wrote:The Thunder were 5-1 without Scooby. They still would’ve been a playoff team, if he had missed a chunk of time.