Grange: Former Raptors' success a reminder of the road not taken

[mihaic]

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I wish we could hear them, Brunson too.

[YogurtProducer]

When you strip all the narrative away you’ve got the 2 former Raptors of this matchup both playing PF, and the rookie we kept also plays… PF. Sometimes the Xs and Os just don’t work.

OG of course could have worked as a wing here but he didn’t want to, and that I think is the main shame of the thing. He wasn’t that far from Scottie’s timeline.

Real question is heading into next season if you could pick one of Siakam/OG/Barnes which one would you actually want.

Siakam is to old, but I feel like OG might slowly become the actual answer. Paying that much for a supporting player is kind of gross, but OG's defence and fit next to Ingram/Poeltl in the front court is probably the best basketball wise. Unless Barnes takes a leap of course.

[YogurtProducer]

We literally got nothing for Fred.

Just a master class in asset mismanagement.

I still remember the copes. "We didn't get nothing for Fred, him leaving opened up cap space, which is a good thing."

The brilliant "We didn't get nothing for him, we got Schroder" argument will forever live in infamy lmao

One of the funniest part of this board is watching one of these posters make one comment and watching the other half dozen of them showing up to whack off together on things that happened years ago now.

I think it is time to move on fellas.

[Duffman100]

Again, I'm going to have to bring out the constant negativity rule in this thread and the several others.

Contribute something to this forum other than complaining about the past or find a new place to post.

[SFour]

When you strip all the narrative away you’ve got the 2 former Raptors of this matchup both playing PF, and the rookie we kept also plays… PF. Sometimes the Xs and Os just don’t work.

OG of course could have worked as a wing here but he didn’t want to, and that I think is the main shame of the thing. He wasn’t that far from Scottie’s timeline.

Real question is heading into next season if you could pick one of Siakam/OG/Barnes which one would you actually want.

Siakam is to old, but I feel like OG might slowly become the actual answer. Paying that much for a supporting player is kind of gross, but OG's defence and fit next to Ingram/Poeltl in the front court is probably the best basketball wise. Unless Barnes takes a leap of course.

I'm still taking Barnes...he's going to be a beast when he reaches OG/Siakam's age

[XTC]

OG, Pascal, and Fred where not the problem. Infact in 2023, a line up of Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Poeltl had a net rating of +8.6 and kept up with other starting line ups just fine... it was the bench which was the issue. We legit got killed whenever our bench came in.

[MiamiSPX]

When you strip all the narrative away you’ve got the 2 former Raptors of this matchup both playing PF, and the rookie we kept also plays… PF. Sometimes the Xs and Os just don’t work.

OG of course could have worked as a wing here but he didn’t want to, and that I think is the main shame of the thing. He wasn’t that far from Scottie’s timeline.

Real question is heading into next season if you could pick one of Siakam/OG/Barnes which one would you actually want.

Siakam is to old, but I feel like OG might slowly become the actual answer. Paying that much for a supporting player is kind of gross, but OG's defence and fit next to Ingram/Poeltl in the front court is probably the best basketball wise. Unless Barnes takes a leap of course.

Well if the hypothetical is picking one of them ONLY for next season, then I don't know how the answer is anyone but Siakam. He just had another All-Star season, while Barnes stagnated, and I would not bet on OG playing 74 games again with the minutes he's logging.

[NinjaBro]

Again, I'm going to have to bring out the constant negativity rule in this thread and the several others.

Contribute something to this forum other than complaining about the past or find a new place to post.

If we can't complain about the past, what else are we going to talk about?

[youngRAPZ]

I still remember the copes. "We didn't get nothing for Fred, him leaving opened up cap space, which is a good thing."

The brilliant "We didn't get nothing for him, we got Schroder" argument will forever live in infamy lmao

One of the funniest part of this board is watching one of these posters make one comment and watching the other half dozen of them showing up to whack off together on things that happened years ago now.

I think it is time to move on fellas.

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[youngRAPZ]

Again, I'm going to have to bring out the constant negativity rule in this thread and the several others.

Contribute something to this forum other than complaining about the past or find a new place to post.

If we can't complain about the past, what else are we going to talk about?

lol I think this comment is actually his point. If you can’t contribute anything other than complaining about the past maybe take the summer off and come back when the games are back so you can complain about something that’s actually happening now.


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[PushDaRock]

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He's gotten visibly frustrated at Towns on the defensive end numerous time during the playoffs

[youngRAPZ]

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He's gotten visibly frustrated at Towns on the defensive end numerous time during the playoffs

He’s learned well from FVV lol jk


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[PushDaRock]

OG, Pascal, and Fred where not the problem. Infact in 2023, a line up of Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Poeltl had a net rating of +8.6 and kept up with other starting line ups just fine... it was the bench which was the issue. We legit got killed whenever our bench came in.

I would agree that the bench was the biggest issue but the starters also had a major issue closing games because of how bad they were in the half court offensively. Once the game slowed down and other teams prioritized not turning it over, we were at a major disadvantaged due to a lack of shot making talent.

[mademan]

OG, Pascal, and Fred where not the problem. Infact in 2023, a line up of Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Poeltl had a net rating of +8.6 and kept up with other starting line ups just fine... it was the bench which was the issue. We legit got killed whenever our bench came in.

Hard to build a bench after youve paid all of your top guys. Wouldve been even more difficult after giving raises to all of them, including Barnes. FO was right to trade them but dumb not to forsee the problems. They took too long and got worse deals than they should have

[ATLTimekeeper]

What I would want to know is, did this meeting in Miami happen before or after Brooklyn didn't go through with trading KD that summer, and started that season with him still there (the date of that being announced was August 24, 2022 IIRC).

Because everything I've heard was that the schism in the locker room becoming beyond repair was basically due to Masai deciding not to trade Scottie and salary filler for KD in the summer of 2022. The players on Siakam's side of the timeline age-wise (led by FVV not Siakam himself) wanted that trade to get made, while the players on Scottie's side of the timeline age-wise were not angling for it and obviously ended up getting their way, as Masai did not ultimately make that move.

From that moment on the (relatively) older players on the team just looked at Scottie as "could have been KD."

You think the players had influence on Masai's decision, and that's what the meeting was about?

I haven't seen any reporting on this other than Scottie was always off the table for KD.

It is interesting that they had to have a meeting to see if this would work. It was after the first round loss to Philadelphia. Scottie just won ROY and that Philly writer came out and said OG was an unhappy camper.

Masai is literally on record admitting that this has happened in at least 1 other instance, which was the Poeltl trade. He talked to the 4 other players in the starting 5 (Scottie/Pascal/FVV/OG) and they all said they needed a legit C as the 5th starter. Wasn't the only influence, but it was partially influenced by that.

But who knows when this meeting in Miami happened. Could have been before or after KD decided to start that season with Brooklyn.

That's a little different than asking them if they should trade Scottie for KD This involved everyone but Scottie? And Masai was siding with... Precious, Gary and OG?

[Duffman100]

Again, I'm going to have to bring out the constant negativity rule in this thread and the several others.

Contribute something to this forum other than complaining about the past or find a new place to post.

If we can't complain about the past, what else are we going to talk about?

I have no problem if you complain about the past. What I care is if that's all you do.

[NinjaBro]

OG, Pascal, and Fred where not the problem. Infact in 2023, a line up of Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Poeltl had a net rating of +8.6 and kept up with other starting line ups just fine... it was the bench which was the issue. We legit got killed whenever our bench came in.

Hard to build a bench after youve paid all of your top guys. Wouldve been even more difficult after giving raises to all of them, including Barnes. FO was right to trade them but dumb not to forsee the problems. They took too long and got worse deals than they should have

There was a time window where we could've done something with that core. Barnes was still on his rookie contract. OG, FVV, and Pascal haven't got their max yet and were still relatively on bargain contracts compared to now. Masai could've done something but he did a half measure because he was so busy with giants of Africa.

He even admitted he wasn't so hands on the raptors when the Nick Nurse era disaster was happening in real time. Either you go all in with this core and get them some real bench help or completely blow it up after Kawhi left. There were lots of role players and even up and coming stars available on the cheap like Brunson and Hartenstein. Masai went half measure and that's was the problem.

Masai is way more hands on now and we can see the results. Direction is much better.

[YogurtProducer]

When you strip all the narrative away you’ve got the 2 former Raptors of this matchup both playing PF, and the rookie we kept also plays… PF. Sometimes the Xs and Os just don’t work.

OG of course could have worked as a wing here but he didn’t want to, and that I think is the main shame of the thing. He wasn’t that far from Scottie’s timeline.

Real question is heading into next season if you could pick one of Siakam/OG/Barnes which one would you actually want.

Siakam is to old, but I feel like OG might slowly become the actual answer. Paying that much for a supporting player is kind of gross, but OG's defence and fit next to Ingram/Poeltl in the front court is probably the best basketball wise. Unless Barnes takes a leap of course.

I'm still taking Barnes...he's going to be a beast when he reaches OG/Siakam's age

Yep that is the hope!

Offense still scares me, but if he becomes Draymond with some better finishing thats a good good player

[ConSarnit]

It's not shocking that any of these guys are doing well. There are some caveats though.

Siakam: playing in perhaps the most ideal spot he could land. Gets properly slotted as a #2 option while playing o a team that runs alot with a great playmaking #1 option guard/wing & 3+D center. We didn't have either of those.

OG: same guy he always was. A great 3+D role player who fits anywhere. We couldn't afford him because we aren't the Knicks (or any other high spending team).

FVV: same guy he always was. Makes $40m+ which is untenable unless he's on a young team like HOU.

These guys were always good players but we got priced out and our roster construction wasn't great.

[TorontoBarneys]

When you strip all the narrative away you’ve got the 2 former Raptors of this matchup both playing PF, and the rookie we kept also plays… PF. Sometimes the Xs and Os just don’t work.

OG of course could have worked as a wing here but he didn’t want to, and that I think is the main shame of the thing. He wasn’t that far from Scottie’s timeline.

Real question is heading into next season if you could pick one of Siakam/OG/Barnes which one would you actually want.

Siakam is to old, but I feel like OG might slowly become the actual answer. Paying that much for a supporting player is kind of gross, but OG's defence and fit next to Ingram/Poeltl in the front court is probably the best basketball wise. Unless Barnes takes a leap of course.

Barnes' defense is also very highly rated, even if it's not DPOY level like OG's is, and Barnes is still a better offensive player than OG and brings more overall to the table.

Preferring OG over him is wild. OG works in NYC because all the other pieces are already in place. Barnes is a superior foundational piece even if he's been disappointing.