Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[soxperry]

so basically Brook would do a sign and trade if it can get him more (via bird rights) than he could get on the open market since the kind of team that would want him is likely in the 2nd apron and can only give a very small contract. is that right?

[BUCKnation]

I'd probably relent and take Jrue and first for Kuz and Pat, were stuck with Kuz for 2 more years at 20 per anyways.

[BigO]

BOS - Sexton and Connaughton
TOR - Jrue, Milwaukee '31 1st
UTA - Kuzma, Boston 1st, Mi
MIL - Barrett, Martin Jr, and Uta 2nd

Horrible.

[LUKE23]

BOS - Sexton and Connaughton
TOR - Jrue, Milwaukee '31 1st
UTA - Kuzma, Boston 1st, Mi
MIL - Barrett, Martin Jr, and Uta 2nd

Gross

[Profound23]

I'd probably relent and take Jrue and first for Kuz and Pat, were stuck with Kuz for 2 more years at 20 per anyways.

if this were possible under the CBA and the best trade available sure.....but I don't think Boston can make a 2-for-1 trade under CBA rules and I am confident there are better offers out there that won't mess up our cap going forward. The question is can Horst find those types.

Keon Ellis, Suggs, Ivey...etc types. I think KPJ could be one of these players like Nesmith/Nembhard but players like that are only worth it on cheap contracts. If KPJ is looking for some insane contract then we just can't do it.

[LUKE23]

Boston cannot trade two of their players for one, but pretty sure they can trade one of their players for two.

[soxperry]

I'd probably relent and take Jrue and first for Kuz and Pat, were stuck with Kuz for 2 more years at 20 per anyways.

if this were possible under the CBA and the best trade available sure.....but I don't think Boston can make a 2-for-1 trade under CBA rules and I am confident there are better offers out there that won't mess up our cap going forward. The question is can Horst find those types.

Keon Ellis, Suggs, Ivey...etc types. I think KPJ could be one of these players like Nesmith/Nembhard but players like that are only worth it on cheap contracts. If KPJ is looking for some insane contract then we just can't do it.

They cant aggregate their own players, pretty sure they can take in multiple for 1

[raferfenix]

Dumping Kuz is part of the value proposition of taking on more money whether it's Jrue or someone else.

That was a historic level playoff collapse and his horrific bball IQ is just such a bad fit for this team despite how badly we need athleticism.

Take the extreme L and adjust the decision making process (hopefully it was just Doc) that allowed the trade to occur.

If we're stuck with him hopefully Kuz is able to get his career back on track. But as it stands -- other than getting out of the 2nd apron -- that trade is looking all kinds of gnarly regardless of whether Khris contributes before his contract expires or if AJJ turns into anything.

[Bernman]

It was a bad trade regardless, but you're compounding it if you take on an extra yr at 15 million more per with a guy who's already declining and will be 38 by the end.

We have to look to rehab Kuz' value to his career norms at least the 1st half of the season. See what that looks like. Then probably flip him to get into FA 1 yr sooner instead of later to give Giannis running mate(s). Don't sell when a guy's a value has hit rock bottom. He didn't take last tanking season seriously & never adjusted here. BTW, IDK how our ceiling is 1st rd if he's in your rotation when he won a title playing half the game.

[tedbrogen]

Did I miss a memo that all trades have to include either Sexton or Murphy?

[soxperry]

It was a bad trade regardless, but you're compounding it if you take on an extra yr at 15 million more per with a guy who's already declining and will be 38 by the end.

We have to look to rehab Kuz' value to his career norms at least the 1st half of the season. See what that looks like. Then probably flip him to get into FA 1 yr sooner instead of later to give Giannis running mate(s). Don't sell when a guy's a value has hit rock bottom. He didn't take last tanking season seriously & never adjusted here. BTW, IDK how our ceiling is 1st rd if he's in your rotation when he won a title playing half the game.

Yeah i agree. Unless someone values Kuz or the right trade comes around that requires his salary, gotta rehab him and hope for the best

[BigO]

Dumping Kuz is part of the value proposition of taking on more money whether it's Jrue or someone else.

That was a historic level playoff collapse and his horrific bball IQ is just such a bad fit for this team despite how badly we need athleticism.

Take the extreme L and adjust the decision making process (hopefully it was just Doc) that allowed the trade to occur.

If we're stuck with him hopefully Kuz is able to get his career back on track. But as it stands -- other than getting out of the 2nd apron -- that trade is looking all kinds of gnarly regardless of whether Khris contributes before his contract expires or if AJJ turns into anything.

On Kuzma:

1) There's nothing that tells me that Horst thinks he made the wrong move and except for the last game, there's nothing that tells me that Doc still isn't in love with Kuzma.

2) The idea that we should wait till Kuzma gets his career back on track so we can trade him, assumes he had a career to get back to.

Kuzma's career shooting average is 45.0%. He actually shot better with the Bucks at 45.5%
Kuzma's career 3 point percentage is 33.4 He shot 33.3 with the Bucks.
His career rebounding is 5.3 and he averaged 4.8 with the Bucks.
His career free throw shooting is 72% and he shot 66.3% for the Bucks.

We traded for the real Kyle Kuzma. He was who he always was. He will be no better in his 10th season. It's only in this context that we can understand all the trade proposals, as bad as they are, to get rid of this guy.

[Profound23]

Other people "The more the Pacers win the more likely it is that Giannis is back"

Me "The more the Pacers win the more likely it is that Doc is back."

[JayMKE]

Other people "The more the Pacers win the more likely it is that Giannis is back"

Me "The more the Pacers win the more likely it is that Doc is back."

Haven’t heard the first narrative, probably right on the 2nd as if it wasn’t already obvious he is going to be back. It’s impossible to Doc-proof the roster imo.

[Wonka]

There's no rehabbing that which was never broken. He is who he is. We need to stop clamoring for some Kyle Kuzma-related miracle in year 10. It's asinine to assume that he will turn some proverbial corner that many posters cling to. If we can find a solid deal for him, we should take it and not look back. I assume our front office feels the exact opposite, though.

[engelmartin]

Did I miss a memo that all trades have to include either Sexton or Murphy?

Troy Murphy? Good luck getting him to defend in the playoffs! He’s worse than Brook

[ReasonablySober]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

[Bernman]

There's no rehabbing that which was never broken. He is who he is. We need to stop clamoring for some Kyle Kuzma-related miracle in year 10. It's asinine to assume that he will turn some proverbial corner that many posters cling to. If we can find a solid deal for him, we should take it and not look back. I assume our front office feels the exact opposite, though.

It's asinine to ignore objective facts he shot around 40% in the corners in previous seasons vs. 30 last season. Around 60 in the paint vs. 54's. And so on practically across the board. I've documented it here. Even if one's still dissatisfied w/ his normal #'s, there's indisputably a difference.

Nobody would have ever liked him or thought he was alright if he played the way he did last yr. There was unanimity he sucked, in DC too. The whole discussion ahead was he's a reclamation project. To draw a 1:1 equivalence to prior seasons is ignorance, willful or not. And dealing him now instead of before the deadline, when you don't win championships in December, while taking a big hit for it, is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Ron Swanson]

I can't think of many worse ideas than essentially just running it back (except with no Dame and probably no Trent) with Doc and whatever journeyman wing/guard we can scrape together with the mid-level exception, but that sadly might be this organization's Plan A at this point. Because we're uncreative and unserious people.

[BUCKnation]

Jrue isn't that guy anymore, but if you can get a first and maybe a 2nd or two to help get him off their books for Kuz and Pat, I think you have to consider it.