Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[JonHeist]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

you do a jrue deal if:

A) kuzma is getting sent out as part of it

B) we give up zero assets (so Pat and Livingston are also fine to move, but nobody else (well a brook S&T is also fine))

then either (or both lol):

C1) we get an asset back that's so good it could feasibly be used to get off of the last year of jrue's contract in two summers (ie: smth a lot better than #28 in this draft)

or

C2) giannis says he likes the idea and will 100%-guaranteed-pinky-promise sign an extension the first day he's eligible next October

[MickeyDavis]

Jrue isn't that guy anymore, but if you can get a first and maybe a 2nd or two to help get him off their books for Kuz and Pat, I think you have to consider it.

Taking on 3/$100 million(!) Jrue and a crappy pick or two to help out the Celtics is gross. I hate Kuzma and hope he's moved but not to take on more salary and get even older. Yuck.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm trying to think of how high a pick I'd have to get to add a $62 million boat anchor of a contract and I think, like, #5 overall?

[BigO]

There's no rehabbing that which was never broken. He is who he is. We need to stop clamoring for some Kyle Kuzma-related miracle in year 10. It's asinine to assume that he will turn some proverbial corner that many posters cling to. If we can find a solid deal for him, we should take it and not look back. I assume our front office feels the exact opposite, though.

It's asinine to ignore objective facts he shot around 40% in the corners in previous seasons vs. 30 last season. Around 60 in the paint vs. 54's. And so on practically across the board. I've documented it here. Even if one's still dissatisfied w/ his normal #'s, there's indisputably a difference.

Nobody would have ever liked him or thought he was alright if he played the way he did last yr. There was unanimity he sucked, in DC too. The whole discussion ahead was he's a reclamation project. To draw a 1:1 equivalence to prior seasons is ignorance, willful or not. And dealing him now instead of before the deadline, when you don't win championships in December, while taking a big hit for it, is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I guess I have to repeat myself:


Kuzma's career shooting average is 45.0%. He actually shot better with the Bucks at 45.5%
Kuzma's career 3 point percentage is 33.4 He shot 33.3 with the Bucks.
His career rebounding is 5.3 and he averaged 4.8 with the Bucks.
His career free throw shooting is 72% and he shot 66.3% for the Bucks.

Picking out corner threes to make the case he was a different player before his stint with the Bucks is impressive. He stunk before and he stinks now.

That some people liked him is believable. There's a lot of bad players out there GMs or posters like. The Bucks liked Prince as a starting shooting guard on a supposed contending team.I don't have a cure for that.

[paulpressey25]

Did I miss a memo that all trades have to include either Sexton or Murphy?

Troy Murphy? Good luck getting him to defend in the playoffs! He’s worse than Brook

Kohl vetoed a Magloire/Mo for Troy Murphy deal in 2006. He felt we could only afford one max-ish contract (Redd). Praise the Lord for the new owners ability to spend, spend, spend on payroll.

[pifhluk23]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

Find another trade where Kuzma and Pat get you a player that is a positive and a 1st rd pick. Good luck.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean sure, get however many draft assets you can for taking on Jrue's or somebody else's (LaVine, MPJ?) mistake contract from a team that desperately wants to slash payroll/get underneath the 2nd apron. I just have no clue why anyone values cap space right now unless you think we got a shot at Luka or something next offseason.

Compounding the Kuzma mistake would arguably be to keep him in this futile effort to "rehab" a 30-year old known junk commodity rather than taking advantage of his descending contract to leverage something out of a more desperate team. At least with these other deals we'd actually be getting assets for trading our junk for someone else's. If the end goal of the Kuzma trade ends up being us doing nothing other than re-signing our own mediocre free agents and opening up some paltry salary exceptions, what was even the point?

[ReasonablySober]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

Find another trade where Kuzma and Pat get you a player that is a positive and a 1st rd pick. Good luck.

Just let them expire. If the Bucks want to take on salary into cap space two summers from now, they can do it in 2027. By then they'll know if Giannis is around long term or not. Maybe they have max cap space and a vet is open to chasing a ring. Or Giannis is gone and the Bucks aquire some teams mistakes if they send some assets to help in the rebuild.

But they should be leaving options open.

[DingleJerry]

If Lavine was available in that type of scenario I do that all day over Jrue. I'd guess Sac will once again chase the playoffs though and not dump him

[Bernman]

Vecenie: It was an embarrassing trade at the time. He was terrible this yr. But I kind of liked the Kuzma played last year.

On/off stats: -12.4 & -11.8 w/ Bucks and Wizards this year. -3.2 & +5.1 the prior yrs.

As if the Bucks would have picked him up if that was a normal yr, Dallas try to trade for him the prior 1, & the Wiz sign him for 4/90.

Again, you can not have been in the camp that liked or even were neutral on him before, but the obstinance he was anything close to the same this year is on full display.

[Gianstoppable]

giannis and whoever for brunson and towns.. we would still be playing. every dude here needs to just think bout that. just a litle thinking. not like arguing. just the thinking

then if we keep giannis...more thinking,

these mfers get to the basket and they both can shoot!

Not even close. They have a great supporting cast. OG, Hart, and Bridges are better than everything we have. The only reason we're a similar team is because Giannis alone is so much better than Brunson and KAT.

Not even Giannis gets Brunson calls.

That's ok honestly, watching Giannis shoot free throws is so damn painful

[BigO]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

Find another trade where Kuzma and Pat get you a player that is a positive and a 1st rd pick. Good luck.

The best argument for trading Kuzma for Jrue and a first is that if Kuzma is still on the team, Doc is going to play him. There would be no justification for getting Jrue if we had a coach who played his best players.

[BigO]

Vecenie: It was an embarrassing trade at the time. He was terrible this yr. But I kind of liked the Kuzma played last year.

On/off stats: -12.4 & -11.8 w/ Bucks and Wizards this year. -3.2 & +5.1 the prior yrs.

As if the Bucks would have picked him up if that was a normal yr, Dallas try to trade for him the prior 1, & the Wiz sign him for 4/90.

Again, you can not have been in the camp that liked or even were neutral on him before, but the obstinance he was anything close to the same this year is on full display.

Kuzma may play better next season, but it's all within the parameters of his career. Playing better and being playable are two different metrics.

One more thing about him is that he seems like a really smart guy. It's a situation where a high IQ guy has a low BBIQ. I don't know if he was badly coached in his pevious 9 seasons or if he just doesn't get it.

He doesn't need to take bad shots, but he does.

[tedbrogen]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

Find another trade where Kuzma and Pat get you a player that is a positive and a 1st rd pick. Good luck.

Just let them expire. If the Bucks want to take on salary into cap space two summers from now, they can do it in 2027. By then they'll know if Giannis is around long term or not. Maybe they have max cap space and a vet is open to chasing a ring. Or Giannis is gone and the Bucks aquire some teams mistakes if they send some assets to help in the rebuild.

But they should be leaving options open.

In the meantime you burn two years of prime Giannis by having one of the worst fits possible (a bad shooting, low IQ player) next to him. Coolcoolcool

[th87]

Honestly couldn't think of many worse ideas than bringing Jrue back.

Giannis for Castle + picks

[th87]

Not even close. They have a great supporting cast. OG, Hart, and Bridges are better than everything we have. The only reason we're a similar team is because Giannis alone is so much better than Brunson and KAT.

Not even Giannis gets Brunson calls.

He doesn’t sell contact at all. It’s not a skill he has ever seemed too interested in developing. He plays straight up and either they call it or not, unfortunately.

No easy way out for him.

Which is why I don't see him requesting a trade.

[ReasonablySober]

Find another trade where Kuzma and Pat get you a player that is a positive and a 1st rd pick. Good luck.

Just let them expire. If the Bucks want to take on salary into cap space two summers from now, they can do it in 2027. By then they'll know if Giannis is around long term or not. Maybe they have max cap space and a vet is open to chasing a ring. Or Giannis is gone and the Bucks aquire some teams mistakes if they send some assets to help in the rebuild.

But they should be leaving options open.

In the meantime you burn two years of prime Giannis by having one of the worst fits possible (a bad shooting, low IQ player) next to him. Coolcoolcool

Kuzma and Pat won't get the Bucks anything back that helps them in the next two years anyway. All you're doing here is trading a couple bad players for another bad player and paying a 150% tax to do so.

[landoc88]

So is Jonathan Kuminga a legit rumor for the Bucks? He would certainly add athleticism and young legs to thus roster

[LatentFrog]

So is Jonathan Kuminga a legit rumor for the Bucks? He would certainly add athleticism and young legs to thus roster

It might not be a popular opinion, but I'm all for it.

The sooner we accept that we're not going to be a savvy scheme rich basketball team the better. Giannis is a freak so let him be a freak, and compliment it with more energy and freakishness. Guys like KPJ who can create chaos and movement are far better compliments to Giannis than 3 point shooters standing at the arc. We have tried that multiple times and it doesn't get us over the edge.

[jakecronus8]

I just don't think they can turn this thing around if they sacrifice the 2027 off-season by bringing in long term money.