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Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#201 » by morosis » Thu May 22, 2025 6:59 pm

jbk1234 wrote:In sum, Jimmy went for less because he made himself far less desirable. Giannis is 30 and is under contract for two full seasons before he has a P.O. These two situations are not the same.


just quoting this part, forgive me. i think this is the point I wanted to make. Giannis could also, if he wanted, make himself far less desirable. not saying he would, as he seems like a pretty chill guy overall. but if he did go that route, i think you could expect the return to be less.

idk, every time i think there is a limit to what superstars can do with their leverage in the player empowerment era, even when under seemingly mutually beneficial contracts, i am surprised. lol. personally, i hope he and MIL find a way to work it out so he can stay there.

maybe i'm weird, but to me basketball isn't just for ballheads. there are kids in MIL who grew up with him, have his poster on their wall, probably wouldnt have watched the NBA if he didn't come along. he has singlehandedly (hyperbole but whatever) created an entire new era of bucks basketball where the team is relevant and interesting. we already saw luka leave dal where he was beloved. id prefer not to see another community go through that.
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Post#202 » by Pointgod » Thu May 22, 2025 7:17 pm

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Can they though?

SAS, Houston, Orlando, and OKC can all put together better offers than NOP. Hell, they can put together better offers than any other team in the NBA.


The Bucks’ own picks back are more valuable than protected picks potentially in the 20’s. If New Orleans stats with Zion and the 26 pick swap and 27 pick back that’s an offer that’s closer to Giannis’ value than a pick heavy package without actual talent. I agree though if those teams put their best offers out then New Orleans probably can’t compete but theres no reason to think they’ll put out their best offers.



If Giannis wants out, only way I see New Orleans being a potential destination is they are able to include Portland and the Bucks receive all of their future picks back plus a player or two. I just don't see that being Giannis' destination though. If he is going to leave Milwaukee I think Giannis would rather go to a contender. Going to New Orleans after they traded a bunch of assets and players would be worse than staying in Milwaukee.

Part of why I don't think Giannis goes anywhere. Any team that trades for him has to give up so much that it depletes their team. OKC might be able to but if they win it this year, why would they make a change like that?


You’re not wrong. I think that a Giannis trade for the Pelicans or Blazers would also need to bring in another player along with Giannis which makes it incredibly tough to navigate.

I also think he probably stays for now and the Bucks sell him on some type of short term plan.
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Post#203 » by jbk1234 » Thu May 22, 2025 7:37 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:In sum, Jimmy went for less because he made himself far less desirable. Giannis is 30 and is under contract for two full seasons before he has a P.O. These two situations are not the same.


just quoting this part, forgive me. i think this is the point I wanted to make. Giannis could also, if he wanted, make himself far less desirable. not saying he would, as he seems like a pretty chill guy overall. but if he did go that route, i think you could expect the return to be less.

idk, every time i think there is a limit to what superstars can do with their leverage in the player empowerment era, even when under seemingly mutually beneficial contracts, i am surprised. lol. personally, i hope he and MIL find a way to work it out so he can stay there.

maybe i'm weird, but to me basketball isn't just for ballheads. there are kids in MIL who grew up with him, have his poster on their wall, probably wouldnt have watched the NBA if he didn't come along. he has singlehandedly (hyperbole but whatever) created an entire new era of bucks basketball where the team is relevant and interesting. we already saw luka leave dal where he was beloved. id prefer not to see another community go through that.


The big ding on his value is that if he's willing to ask out of Milwaukee, it's hard to see a scenario where he extends immediately after a trade and foregoes free agency. He's never been a free agent. It's not impossible, but if things don't work out perfectly with his new team, he could be gone in two seasons. There are a lot of ways for something to go wrong.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#204 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 22, 2025 7:40 pm

If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!
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Post#205 » by morosis » Thu May 22, 2025 8:36 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!


the pitch: all of LJ's old "grandmama" converse commercials. haha. a reboot of those with CHA giannis would be my favorite thing ever. and he has the personality to pull it off xD

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Post#206 » by morosis » Thu May 22, 2025 8:42 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The big ding on his value is that if he's willing to ask out of Milwaukee, it's hard to see a scenario where he extends immediately after a trade and foregoes free agency. He's never been a free agent. It's not impossible, but if things don't work out perfectly with his new team, he could be gone in two seasons. There are a lot of ways for something to go wrong.


yeah, basically this but we all (i think) know that there is a lot of behind the scenes politics with teams and agents and those relationships as well. simply sending a guy of giannis caliber to wherever the highest offer is regardless of those relationships and giannis own desires probably doesn't happen. so its a delicate dance of FO interests, the player's interests, and the politics of moving a superstar player, before anything ever happens.

if, as you said, giannis for sure wants to be a free agent in two years, I think that alone lessens the return materially. otoh, if MIL can move him to a place he wants to go, is willing to extend, and they can do that without everything going public and becoming toxic, i think thats the scenario in which MIL stands the best chance of getting a big return. but its only one of several ways things could play out.

tl;dr i think we are kind of saying the same thing. there's a chance for a massive haul. but its not guaranteed. the return could be big, huge, or massive depending how things go.
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Post#207 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu May 22, 2025 8:50 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!


Brother and respectfully the offer starts with Miller and #4, they might even ask for LaMelo as well.

If the Bucks play this correctly they will get a historical return on levels we’ve never seen before.

Teams withholding their top-3 assets is just comical and completely detached from reality.
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Post#208 » by YogurtProducer » Thu May 22, 2025 9:51 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!


Brother and respectfully the offer starts with Miller and #4, they might even ask for LaMelo as well.

If the Bucks play this correctly they will get a historical return on levels we’ve never seen before.

Teams withholding their top-3 assets is just comical and completely detached from reality.

The return won't be as good as people expect

Teams are not gonna sell the entire farm for a guy that can leave in 2 years... which he will if you sell all your good players and picks.
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Post#209 » by DusterBuster » Thu May 22, 2025 9:52 pm

What ever came of this?
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Post#210 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 22, 2025 10:09 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!


Brother and respectfully the offer starts with Miller and #4, they might even ask for LaMelo as well.

If the Bucks play this correctly they will get a historical return on levels we’ve never seen before.

Teams withholding their top-3 assets is just comical and completely detached from reality.
That defeats the purpose.

Our package would be built around future picks.

Bridges/Nurk exp/#4 pick/4 1st Rd picks
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Post#211 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 22, 2025 10:15 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:If I'm Giannis im trying to get to Charlotte and team up with LaMelo/Miller backcourt. Take a team nobody has respect for and make them a champion.

Cmon Giannis come to Charlotte we can take over the world!


Brother and respectfully the offer starts with Miller and #4, they might even ask for LaMelo as well.

If the Bucks play this correctly they will get a historical return on levels we’ve never seen before.

Teams withholding their top-3 assets is just comical and completely detached from reality.

The return won't be as good as people expect

Teams are not gonna sell the entire farm for a guy that can leave in 2 years... which he will if you sell all your good players and picks.
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Post#212 » by Chuck Everett » Thu May 22, 2025 10:17 pm

DusterBuster wrote:What ever came of this?


Seriously, tomorrow's Friday. Did they ever meet?
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Post#213 » by Bernman » Thu May 22, 2025 10:21 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Brother and respectfully the offer starts with Miller and #4, they might even ask for LaMelo as well.

If the Bucks play this correctly they will get a historical return on levels we’ve never seen before.

Teams withholding their top-3 assets is just comical and completely detached from reality.

The return won't be as good as people expect

Teams are not gonna sell the entire farm for a guy that can leave in 2 years... which he will if you sell all your good players and picks.
this guy gets it. :nod:


Neither of you get it. That's a standard length. Players are signing 3-4 yr extensions & doing so cuz they're content at the time.

Paul George had 2 yrs left, he's far worse that Giannis, & we saw that big return.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#214 » by Bernman » Thu May 22, 2025 10:26 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:What ever came of this?


Seriously, tomorrow's Friday. Did they ever meet?


They had already met & Giannis supposedly reaffirmed his commitment. So this would be to gameplan how they go fw I guess. But he was at some tech event in San Fran midweek. Doesn't seem like it was overly urgent to happen now. A lot of hype for little to nothing.

By the time the NBA Combine ended on May 18, Antetokounmpo had some conversations with organizational leadership about the future of the team and remained happy in Milwaukee with no real intent to leave, and therefore no trade request had been made. In all his years, he has never requested a trade, even though he has regularly applied pressure on the team to keep upgrading to the roster.

Longtime NBA reporter Chris Haynes said Antetokounmpo was going to meet with Horst the week of May 19 for one of their annual offseason conversations about the direction of the team. Other conversations have typically occurred in the summer months.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2025/05/22/is-giannis-getting-traded-damian-lillard-future-milwaukee-bucks-reader-questions/83721971007/
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Post#215 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu May 22, 2025 10:34 pm

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Post#216 » by reload141 » Thu May 22, 2025 10:46 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:What ever came of this?


Seriously, tomorrow's Friday. Did they ever meet?


The Bucks met with Thanasis this week as he’s the bigger priority, need a supermax towel waver first.
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Post#217 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu May 22, 2025 10:56 pm

reload141 wrote:
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xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Are they?

Outside of Giannis, they have no one with any real value on their roster.


They should be able to bring back GTJ, Portis, BroLo.
They will have $14m MLE to spend and $5m BAE. They could also open a $14m DPE for Lillard.


A bit off topic but can Boston open up a DPE for Tatum?
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Post#218 » by RRyder823 » Thu May 22, 2025 11:45 pm

Read on Twitter
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Im not quite sure how reliable this is but **** it I've seen more then enough "he gone" tweets not to give a ****
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Post#219 » by whatisacenter » Thu May 22, 2025 11:58 pm

If I was the Warriors GM I would offer the Bucks anything besides Steph and all the picks and swaps they want.
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