The Official Rudy Gobert Thread

[Note30]

Looks like Gobert is dealing with personal relationships stuff during these playoffs. Just hope everything works out but I always said only watch what players do on the court/field. Outside stuff, unless it's criminal, the less we know the better.

That's **** rough. Feel for the guy. Hope she wasn't cheating.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Rudy just release the news that he won't play for France at the Euro. Wonder also if his difficulties are linked with his personal issues. Anyway a pretty good news for the Wolves if he is still here when season start. Playing international competitions during the break is something easy to do when you are 23, way less when you are 33...

[KGdaBom]

Rudy just release the news that he won't play for France at the Euro. Wonder also if his difficulties are linked with his personal issues. Anyway a pretty good news for the Wolves if he is still here when season start. Playing international competitions during the break is something easy to do when you are 23, way less when you are 33...

I'm one of Rudy's biggest fans, but I think it's fair to say that his performance this season was not nearly as good as the season before. I had far less opportunities to post RUDY, RUDY, RUDY this season. If I understand correctly Rudy has a player option for 25-26 and he will certainly take it. Which is more likely we trade Rudy, let him walk in 26-27 or keep him at a very significantly reduced salary?

[BlacJacMac]

If I understand correctly Rudy has a player option for 25-26 and he will certainly take it. Which is more likely we trade Rudy, let him walk in 26-27 or keep him at a very significantly reduced salary?

You do not understand it correctly.

2025-26: 35M
2026-27: 36.5M
2027-28: 38M (Player Option)

[KGdaBom]

If I understand correctly Rudy has a player option for 25-26 and he will certainly take it. Which is more likely we trade Rudy, let him walk in 26-27 or keep him at a very significantly reduced salary?

You do not understand it correctly.

2025-26: 35M
2026-27: 36.5M
2027-28: 38M (Player Option)

Ouch. I thought he had 3 years remaining when he joined us including his player option. It was actually 5. Not good.

[BlacJacMac]

If I understand correctly Rudy has a player option for 25-26 and he will certainly take it. Which is more likely we trade Rudy, let him walk in 26-27 or keep him at a very significantly reduced salary?

You do not understand it correctly.

2025-26: 35M
2026-27: 36.5M
2027-28: 38M (Player Option)

Ouch. I thought he had 3 years remaining when he joined us including his player option. It was actually 5. Not good.

He signed an extension in October. More years for significantly less AAV:

The Minnesota Timberwolves extended the contract of Rudy Gobert, their starting center and one of the best interior defenders in league history, to a three-year deal worth $110 million.

The Wolves actually gained some much-needed immediate financial flexibility by extended the Frenchman.

Gobert, as part of the agreement, agreed to decline his $46.6 million player option for next year, when the extension kicks in. As a result, the Wolves are now paying the center $33.9 million during 2025-2026, almost $13 million less than originally scheduled.

[Nick K]

Rudy just release the news that he won't play for France at the Euro. Wonder also if his difficulties are linked with his personal issues. Anyway a pretty good news for the Wolves if he is still here when season start. Playing international competitions during the break is something easy to do when you are 23, way less when you are 33...

I'm one of Rudy's biggest fans, but I think it's fair to say that his performance this season was not nearly as good as the season before. I had far less opportunities to post RUDY, RUDY, RUDY this season. If I understand correctly Rudy has a player option for 25-26 and he will certainly take it. Which is more likely we trade Rudy, let him walk in 26-27 or keep him at a very significantly reduced salary?

I was so thrilled when we traded with Utah to get big RU. I thought he was the answer. At this point he isn't anywhere near the player I thought he was. I can't wait to move him. His defense can be replaced or close to. I've had enough of Rudy.

I'd get rid of Randle and Rudy with a multi team trade if I could to get Durant and another center. I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

[KGdaBom]

You do not understand it correctly.

2025-26: 35M
2026-27: 36.5M
2027-28: 38M (Player Option)

Ouch. I thought he had 3 years remaining when he joined us including his player option. It was actually 5. Not good.

He signed an extension in October. More years for significantly less AAV:

The Minnesota Timberwolves extended the contract of Rudy Gobert, their starting center and one of the best interior defenders in league history, to a three-year deal worth $110 million.

The Wolves actually gained some much-needed immediate financial flexibility by extended the Frenchman.

Gobert, as part of the agreement, agreed to decline his $46.6 million player option for next year, when the extension kicks in. As a result, the Wolves are now paying the center $33.9 million during 2025-2026, almost $13 million less than originally scheduled.

OK now I get it.

[TimberKat]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

[winforlose]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

[BlacJacMac]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

I certainly hope not...

[minimus]

Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Any Gobert talk must include 10th, 1th and 6th DefRtg and two WCFs, and therefore it automatically ends up being excellent return on value

[TimberKat]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Since, you didn't know how we would otherwise spend the $20. It's a moot point. How do you know, we didn't end up spend on KD for a year and he walked or worse on Murray and he got hurt? When the only thing you can buy is pizza, you can only access if you paid too much for it. Also, how do you know we didn't have full intention to trade Towns before the Gobert trade due to his supermax contract and injuries? Even this board talked about Towns can't D and doesn't fit with Ant.

[winforlose]

Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Any Gobert talk must include 10th, 1th and 6th DefRtg and two WCFs, and therefore it automatically ends up being excellent return on value

The problem for all of us in my post and your’s is we are speculating. Could Ant, Jaden, KAT, and whoever else gotten us to the WCF in 23/24 without Rudy. They won a game against Denver without him, they would have a very different roster without him. Speaking to what did happen, we put ourselves in a very bad financial situation which is seriously harming the team as we speak. We have a 38 year old starting PG, a seeming bust who was expensive in Dilly at backup PG, we sold KAT for a terrible return relative to his value, and we just got forced to let NAW walk (putting a ton of pressure on TSJ, Clark, and DDV.) We saw Rudy actively harm the team in the playoffs last year (his rebounding was quite bad in most games, and his offense was non existent (plus missing free throws.) But Rudy’s defense is critical.

Overall I think the Gobert trade will go down as a bad move with good intentions. But for the second apron or the KAT trade it would have been a good/great move. Now it has put us in a dangerous spot, where other teams are getting better and we are stuck relying on internal development.

P.S. going all in and falling short is not great return. So far it is average at best. Short of winning a chip it might grade out to bad.

[winforlose]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Since, you didn't know how we would otherwise spend the $20. It's a moot point. How do you know, we didn't end up spend on KD for a year and he walked or worse on Murray and he got hurt? When the only thing you can buy is pizza, you can only access if you paid too much for it. Also, how do you know we didn't have full intention to trade Towns before the Gobert trade due to his supermax contract and injuries? Even this board talked about Towns can't D and doesn't fit with Ant.

Half true. The what if is hard to assess because it is speculation. But you assume we draft the players the other teams drafted, they develop in the same way with them as with us, and that we could not have done anything else with the picks. We are both playing the assumption game.

[minimus]

Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Any Gobert talk must include 10th, 1th and 6th DefRtg and two WCFs, and therefore it automatically ends up being excellent return on value

The problem for all of us in my post and your’s is we are speculating.

It is exactly opposite. This is reality where MIN traded for Gobert and he brought here elite defense and two WCF trips. Moreover, Gobert trade allowed MIN to build on top of it. It is for sure not a ideal scenario, but another reality doesn't exist. Also there is ALWAYS a competition. It is not like MIN FO acts in vacuum. Other teams are getting FAs, drafting, trading as well.

[winforlose]

Any Gobert talk must include 10th, 1th and 6th DefRtg and two WCFs, and therefore it automatically ends up being excellent return on value

The problem for all of us in my post and your’s is we are speculating.

It is exactly opposite. This is reality where MIN traded for Gobert and he brought here elite defense and two WCF trips. Moreover, Gobert trade allowed MIN to build on top of it. It is for sure not a ideal scenario, but another reality doesn't exist. Also there is ALWAYS a competition. It is not like MIN FO acts in vacuum. Other teams are getting FAs, drafting, trading as well.

Put it this way, what is your ultimate goal? If you knew with certainty we never win a championship with Ant, does your opinion change? We sold most of our trade chips, hit our apex, and are now struggling not get worse (which we likely are.) If your goal was a championship we likely missed until Ant’s prime, at which point Rudy will no longer be here.)

[TimberKat]

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Since, you didn't know how we would otherwise spend the $20. It's a moot point. How do you know, we didn't end up spend on KD for a year and he walked or worse on Murray and he got hurt? When the only thing you can buy is pizza, you can only access if you paid too much for it. Also, how do you know we didn't have full intention to trade Towns before the Gobert trade due to his supermax contract and injuries? Even this board talked about Towns can't D and doesn't fit with Ant.

Half true. The what if is hard to assess because it is speculation. But you assume we draft the players the other teams drafted, they develop in the same way with them as with us, and that we could not have done anything else with the picks. We are both playing the assumption game.

True, but go ahead and pick anyone you want starting with George. The only player with potential is Podziemski and maybe Jaquez. What's the chance Wolves pick them? Let's assume without Gobert we move up 5 spots, drafting at 11th instead. You got Walker, so won't draft Lively. So still the 2023 pick is not that valuable.

[winforlose]

Since, you didn't know how we would otherwise spend the $20. It's a moot point. How do you know, we didn't end up spend on KD for a year and he walked or worse on Murray and he got hurt? When the only thing you can buy is pizza, you can only access if you paid too much for it. Also, how do you know we didn't have full intention to trade Towns before the Gobert trade due to his supermax contract and injuries? Even this board talked about Towns can't D and doesn't fit with Ant.

Half true. The what if is hard to assess because it is speculation. But you assume we draft the players the other teams drafted, they develop in the same way with them as with us, and that we could not have done anything else with the picks. We are both playing the assumption game.

True, but go ahead and pick anyone you want starting with George. The only player with potential is Podziemski and maybe Jaquez. What's the chance Wolves pick them? Let's assume without Gobert we move up 5 spots, drafting at 11th instead. You got Walker, so won't draft Lively. So still the 2023 pick is not that valuable.

Again, that demands a massive assumption. In the wake of not trading the pick for Rudy we are precluded from trading it for someone else. Or trading down and taking two other picks one of which we might trade out. Or we could pull a Spurs and trade the 2023 pick for a 2024 first and a 2nd. Plus you don’t know where we end that year. The pick could have been better or worse. Too many variables. That was my point with the dinner analogy. What if you spent 12 and got a better more filling supper. Or spent all 20 and got less value.

[KGdaBom]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

Good summation.