Lets admit the obvious: SGA is a better player than Luka

[Archx]

the problem is it will be 8 years next year....like we waiting 8 years for luka to take conditioning seriously...does that sound like someone thats going to be a top 5 all time player?

People who compare Luka to LeBron are crazy btw. Luka hasn’t even had a better start to his career than Kevin Durant

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Dude your ping pong opinions on Luka will be studied 50 years from now lol...

...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis

Well.. except there was someone who "said that".

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And we know often MVP race is a popularity contest that sometimes doesn't make sense. From last year compared to this year. But "Wins matter"... yeah, that argument has been also thrown out the window couple of times.

[Godymas]

People who compare Luka to LeBron are crazy btw. Luka hasn’t even had a better start to his career than Kevin Durant

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Dude your ping pong opinions on Luka will be studied 50 years from now lol...

...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis

Well.. except there was someone who "said that".

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And we know often MVP race is a popularity contest that sometimes doesn't make sense. From last year compared to this year. But "Wins matter"... yeah, that argument has been also thrown out the window couple of times.

Espys, are you serious right now.

Luka has never been the best player in the NBA and I don’t know if he will ever be the best player

[Archx]

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Dude your ping pong opinions on Luka will be studied 50 years from now lol...

...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis

Well.. except there was someone who "said that".

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And we know often MVP race is a popularity contest that sometimes doesn't make sense. From last year compared to this year. But "Wins matter"... yeah, that argument has been also thrown out the window couple of times.

Espys, are you serious right now.

Luka has never been the best player in the NBA and I don’t know if he will ever be the best player

I'm not arguing that point and i don't even care. Like i don't care where the awards come from. Simple fact is, a lot of people share different opinions and even he shared a different opinion on Luka last year when i told him to slow down. He told me he even bet on Mavs to win it all because of Luka. I guess he's just pissed now that he lost money or something...

[Up-And-Coming]

I don’t even think it’s controversial that he’s been better this season + postseason as Luka had a down year in terms of impact. However, they’re both the same age and Luka peaked higher last season so maybe he’s able to get back to that and surpass him again.

[Dadouv47]

I already said who I think is the best (Shai to me since 2024) but I hate the timing of those threads...it's always unfair to one player and a ton of people with recent memory bias.

[f4p]

This SGA season is better than any season Luka had yes, Luka has been better for much longer, but seems like SGA is peaking higher, but only time will tell, but your premise is false and the opposite of reality.
Twice in his career Luka has been on elite defenses, the 1st time was with personnel that had no business being elite, teams don't need to hide Luka on defense, he showed he can be part of great defense and contribute to it.

Yeah the Mavs literally had the best defense in the playoffs last year.

Of course the thunder are currently a -16 defense in the playoffs (by far best ever) so I'm pretty sure they could hide Luka and still have a historically dominant defense. It's not like shai's some one man defensive wrecking crew.

[UglyBugBall]

the problem is it will be 8 years next year....like we waiting 8 years for luka to take conditioning seriously...does that sound like someone thats going to be a top 5 all time player?

People who compare Luka to LeBron are crazy btw. Luka hasn’t even had a better start to his career than Kevin Durant

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Stop looking at year 8, look at year 2. Luka had one of the best year 2 seasons of all time, maybe the best one ever. So he's projecting to be better than all those guys you listed.

[Godymas]

People who compare Luka to LeBron are crazy btw. Luka hasn’t even had a better start to his career than Kevin Durant

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Stop looking at year 8, look at year 2. Luka had one of the best year 2 seasons of all time, maybe the best one ever. So he's projecting to be better than all those guys you listed.

You know insane it is to say his projection is better at year 2 when he’s at year 8 and you can see the outcome of that projection. Which btw KD led the league in scoring in year 3 so what should that have done for his projection?

[maxpower8888]

the numbers speak for themselves....SGA outplayed him game over game..

Luka was hurt I think...but he showed up with those bloody knees and that chubby body and got outplayed.

I don't get why people make some many excuses for a guy that doesn't take his body seriously.

Lukas fans care more about defending Luka than LUKA cares about getting in shape....

You think he was hurt? Talk about making excuses by downplaying.

im just saying man...luka avg 30 points every series and put up 24...he came into that series and honestly the last 4 playoffs hurt...after a epic season and wasn't himself. OKC wasn't really good that series either. Kyrie was cooking and SGA was a man alone out there on both ends some nights.

Look like I said....Luka has the highest talent in my estimation...but SGAs work ethic has proven to do what high work ethic and high talent tends to do when compared to people with even higher talent...as they say in academics - diligence beats intelligence 7 times out of ten...but diligence and intelligence wins 100% of the time...

That's an excellent point, he put up 30 points in every series, and then against OKC he put up 24, was it because he was shut down by SGA, or was it because he was injured and playing against one of the best defensive teams in the league?

I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying is that you can't just take something like a stat line from a series, and then take no other factors into account. If you want to talk about SGA being a better defender, or a more efficient scorer, that's something we can talk about. But my pet peeve with all these sports discussions is the lack of context (player x's team beat player y's, therefore player x is better / player x has more rings than player y, therefore he's better).

[Woodsanity]

People who compare Luka to LeBron are crazy btw. Luka hasn’t even had a better start to his career than Kevin Durant

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Stop looking at year 8, look at year 2. Luka had one of the best year 2 seasons of all time, maybe the best one ever. So he's projecting to be better than all those guys you listed.

Luka year 2>year 8. Sad to see Luka peaked year 2.

[BooomBaby]

I'd take a fit and healthy SGA, all day, everyday.

[therealbig3]

SGA may be better than Jokic, forget Luka.

Anyone that takes 1 shot attempt in the second half of any game 7 deserves to go down a tier.

Like Kobe?

[therealbig3]

Luka peaks as high as prime Lebron, a top 5 player of all time. Unfortunately, he rarely hits that peak now due to conditioning issues. SGA peaks as a great player of this current era, but not the top 5 ATG Luka looks like when he's on.

Prime LeBron was an MVP and unquestioned best player in the league. He was also dominant on both ends of the court.

Luka on his best day was never as good as prime LeBron. Anyone that thinks that loses all credibility.

[BooomBaby]

SGA may be better than Jokic, forget Luka.

Anyone that takes 1 shot attempt in the second half of any game 7 deserves to go down a tier.

Not to mention get punked by a midget Caruso.

I used to like and respect Jokic a lot more before that game 7 embarrassment.

[UglyBugBall]

Luka peaks as high as prime Lebron, a top 5 player of all time. Unfortunately, he rarely hits that peak now due to conditioning issues. SGA peaks as a great player of this current era, but not the top 5 ATG Luka looks like when he's on.

Prime LeBron was an MVP and unquestioned best player in the league. He was also dominant on both ends of the court.

Luka on his best day was never as good as prime LeBron. Anyone that thinks that loses all credibility.

He's better on offense and a bit worse on defense. He's definitely close, like 90 percent there when peaking.

[Archx]

You think he was hurt? Talk about making excuses by downplaying.

im just saying man...luka avg 30 points every series and put up 24...he came into that series and honestly the last 4 playoffs hurt...after a epic season and wasn't himself. OKC wasn't really good that series either. Kyrie was cooking and SGA was a man alone out there on both ends some nights.

Look like I said....Luka has the highest talent in my estimation...but SGAs work ethic has proven to do what high work ethic and high talent tends to do when compared to people with even higher talent...as they say in academics - diligence beats intelligence 7 times out of ten...but diligence and intelligence wins 100% of the time...

That's an excellent point, he put up 30 points in every series, and then against OKC he put up 24, was it because he was shut down by SGA, or was it because he was injured and playing against one of the best defensive teams in the league?

I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying is that you can't just take something like a stat line from a series, and then take no other factors into account. If you want to talk about SGA being a better defender, or a more efficient scorer, that's something we can talk about. But my pet peeve with all these sports discussions is the lack of context (player x's team beat player y's, therefore player x is better / player x has more rings than player y, therefore he's better).

Mavs had really good defense entire playoffs, even against Celtics, media just choose to show one stat no one used before and trolls picked it up like a Bible. Both Kyrie and Luka were good.

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[therealbig3]

Luka peaks as high as prime Lebron, a top 5 player of all time. Unfortunately, he rarely hits that peak now due to conditioning issues. SGA peaks as a great player of this current era, but not the top 5 ATG Luka looks like when he's on.

Prime LeBron was an MVP and unquestioned best player in the league. He was also dominant on both ends of the court.

Luka on his best day was never as good as prime LeBron. Anyone that thinks that loses all credibility.

He's better on offense and a bit worse on defense. He's definitely close, like 90 percent there when peaking.

lol so you’re trolling.

What’s the evidence for Luka being better than prime LeBron offensively? And LeBron was a legit defensive anchor in his prime, while Luka is a sieve. It’s more than a bit.

They’re not close at all.

[CobraCommander]

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Stop looking at year 8, look at year 2. Luka had one of the best year 2 seasons of all time, maybe the best one ever. So he's projecting to be better than all those guys you listed.

Luka year 2>year 8. Sad to see Luka peaked year 2.

how can someone say....stop looking at year 8 and say...he may have had the best 2 seasons of all time...when Jokic won 3 MVPs and came in second. in 2 others over 5 Years...MJ has two 3peats, steph has a 73 win team, a ring and a unanimous MVP.

at some point you gotta stop projecting how good luka COULD be and see who he is for who is right now. right now he is a oft hurt, out of shape, offense only, defensive liability on his second team because the team that drafted him didn't trust him with a super max. yeah he top 5 but he aint projecting to be better than Tatum, SGA, Jokic or Giannis because they all have something he doesn't have, Rings, MVPs or Rings AND MVPs.

love luka but don't pretend he is somehow simply a top 5 player in the league that has never been the best guy in the league and is currently and most certainly behind SGA, Giannis and Jokic- he would have to do some crazy stuff to catch Giannis or Jokic and would need to win an MVP and maybe more to catch SGA...tatums numbers essentially to same as Lukas this year and tatum has a ring.

[CobraCommander]

Lebron was literally the best player in the league pretty early on...and if he wasn't..there was a strong argument for him...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...If they said Luka was better than Giannis you still had to deal with JOKIC... and now its tatum, SGA, Giannis, Jokic...when healthy is Embiid better in reg season...is Wemby going to be better next year....Is ANT better now...ant just outplayed him heads up...

Luka is amazing but LEBRON was never being compared to this many peers going into year 8

its been 8 years guys!!!!

Dude your ping pong opinions on Luka will be studied 50 years from now lol...

...there has never been a minute when someone could say Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis

Well.. except there was someone who "said that".

Read on Twitter

And we know often MVP race is a popularity contest that sometimes doesn't make sense. From last year compared to this year. But "Wins matter"... yeah, that argument has been also thrown out the window couple of times.

Espys, are you serious right now.

Luka has never been the best player in the NBA and I don’t know if he will ever be the best player

Arch X is better than that my man...he knows just cause one rando says luka was best in the league doesn't mean jack....did anyone ever think Luka was better than Jokic or Giannis...come on guys...giannis got two mvps, a fmvp and a ring and a dpoy....did anyone think luka was better than jokic for one second of time since the beginning of time? NO...Jokic got 3 mvps a fmvp and a ring...and honestly Giannis and Jokic were WORLDs better than Luka this year...and now SGA has passed luka...yall need to stop.

im not flip- flopping ...luka is top 5 - maybe top 6 or 7 - luka is number 1 in talent...period...no question IMO

he isn't in the top 1000 in level of effort off the court....

the second luka starts trying for real we can discuss where he ranks relative to the guys that are actually out here putting up wins and getting rings and mvps

[CobraCommander]

You think he was hurt? Talk about making excuses by downplaying.

im just saying man...luka avg 30 points every series and put up 24...he came into that series and honestly the last 4 playoffs hurt...after a epic season and wasn't himself. OKC wasn't really good that series either. Kyrie was cooking and SGA was a man alone out there on both ends some nights.

Look like I said....Luka has the highest talent in my estimation...but SGAs work ethic has proven to do what high work ethic and high talent tends to do when compared to people with even higher talent...as they say in academics - diligence beats intelligence 7 times out of ten...but diligence and intelligence wins 100% of the time...

That's an excellent point, he put up 30 points in every series, and then against OKC he put up 24, was it because he was shut down by SGA, or was it because he was injured and playing against one of the best defensive teams in the league?

I understand what you're saying, what I'm saying is that you can't just take something like a stat line from a series, and then take no other factors into account. If you want to talk about SGA being a better defender, or a more efficient scorer, that's something we can talk about. But my pet peeve with all these sports discussions is the lack of context (player x's team beat player y's, therefore player x is better / player x has more rings than player y, therefore he's better).

again...you hard to argue with cause I agree with you generally. My point is...you can't have it both ways...

Luka doesn't have a team as good as SGA when Luka loses and SGA wins...but then say SGA is worse than Luka when they play heads up and Luka plays worse than SGA and luka wins...

YOU gotta have ONE objective measure...those two things are inconsistent...Luka is primarily the scorer and if he aint scoring then he isn't as helpful to the team.