BOS (save $)- MIL (keep Giannis)- UTA (rebuild)

[SoCalJazzFan]

1.
BOS in- Jordan Clarkson, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuik (all expiring)(saves $6.4M in salary+ much more in taxes)
MIL in- Jrue Holiday, John Collins (exp)
UTA in- Dame Lillard, BOS 2025 #32, MIL 2031 FRP

2.
BOS- Sexton, KJ, Svi (all exp) (saves $1.5M+ taxes)
MIL- Jrue and John Collins (exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2025 #28, MIL 2031 FRP

3.
BOS- John Collins (exp)(save $4.1M salary +taxes)
MIL- Porzingis, Sexton (all exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2025 #28, MIL 2031 FRP

4.
BOS- Sexton, John Collins (all exp)(saves $17.3M in salary + taxes- almost below 2nd apron)
MIL- Jrue, Porzingis (exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2026 FRP, MIL 2031 FRP

Several scenarios, but in each case BOS unloads Jrue and/or Porzingis and saves a lot of money (especially in taxes), MIL gets starter level players to entice Giannis to stay and be competitive (while still keeping option open to trade him next summer if it doesn't click) and the Jazz eat Dame's contract and gets draft assets for their rebuild.

[brackdan70]

I like 1 and 2. I don’t like 3 and 4.
In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.
The Celtics shouldn’t trade the 2026 1st.
They can accomplish their goals without doing that I believe.

[tester551]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

[BleedGreen1989]

Well done.

From a Celtics POV, I could certainly get on board with most of this. First would likely be my favorite.

[brackdan70]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

We can agree to just pass on that trade then.

[brackdan70]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

We can agree to just pass on that trade then.

[Godaddycurse]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

Collins is much more reliable health wise. Best ability is availability as they say.. 28 might be too much though

[brackdan70]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

Collins is much more reliable health wise. Best ability is availability as they say.. 28 might be too much though

Porzingis actually played in more games than Collins last year if you can believe that.

[Godaddycurse]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.


Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

Collins is much more reliable health wise. Best ability is availability as they say.. 28 might be too much though

Porzingis actually played in more games than Collins last year if you can believe that.

Utah was resting collins (and other starters) ALOT

[Myth]

Do these save the Bucks? Or just mildly delay their death while sacrificing more future?

[RiotPunch]

That Jrue deal is brutal. Boston should be paying more to get off it. Not dealing the Bucks '31 1st in these scenarios. Not a bad thought process though.

[SkyHook]

1.
BOS in- Jordan Clarkson, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuik (all expiring)(saves $6.4M in salary+ much more in taxes)
MIL in- Jrue Holiday, John Collins (exp)
UTA in- Dame Lillard, BOS 2025 #32, MIL 2031 FRP

2.
BOS- Sexton, KJ, Svi (all exp) (saves $1.5M+ taxes)
MIL- Jrue and John Collins (exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2025 #28, MIL 2031 FRP

3.
BOS- John Collins (exp)(save $4.1M salary +taxes)
MIL- Porzingis, Sexton (all exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2025 #28, MIL 2031 FRP

4.
BOS- Sexton, John Collins (all exp)(saves $17.3M in salary + taxes- almost below 2nd apron)
MIL- Jrue, Porzingis (exp)
UTA- Lillard, BOS 2026 FRP, MIL 2031 FRP

Several scenarios, but in each case BOS unloads Jrue and/or Porzingis and saves a lot of money (especially in taxes), MIL gets starter level players to entice Giannis to stay and be competitive (while still keeping option open to trade him next summer if it doesn't click) and the Jazz eat Dame's contract and gets draft assets for their rebuild.

I love Dame and wanted the Jazz to trade for him a couple of years ago, but I don't have ANY confidence in his recovery from the blown Achilles. To take on his remaining $112MM+, scenario #4 is the only viable one to me.

[SoCalJazzFan]

That Jrue deal is brutal. Boston should be paying more to get off it. Not dealing the Bucks '31 1st in these scenarios. Not a bad thought process though.

Thanks
How much more do you think that the Celtics should be paying to get out of Jrue's contract? I initially thought #28 for 1st scenario, #28 and #32 for 2nd and 3rd scenarios- is that enough?

One of the aspects of these three teams is that while Jrue is a bad contract, Dame's is even worse. Whomever has him will get probably zero out of it, and at most 1 season, perhaps at a shell of a player than he has been.

If the Bucks are trying to keep Giannis, which I have read that they are (can't blame them, a top 4 player in his prime is hard to come by), how else are the Bucks going to bring in a couple of starter level players without giving up the 2031 pick? Would the additional draft assets that BOS pays being directed to MIL be enough? I think that two of Jrue, Sexton, Collins and/or Porzingas with Giannis is probably a playoff team in the East. Jrue with the perimeter defense and familiarity with Giannis and Porz being able to stretch the floor and rim protect is probably the best combo.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I love Dame and wanted the Jazz to trade for him a couple of years ago, but I don't have ANY confidence in his recovery from the blown Achilles. To take on his remaining $112MM+, scenario #4 is the only viable one to me.

I think that the Jazz have to plan on it being a sunk cost. This is uncharted territory for a player so old and being a lead guard. The Jazz wanting to tank next season, do right by their vets, and having the flexibility to take it on is somewhat unique for trading for Dame's contract.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Do these save the Bucks? Or just mildly delay their death while sacrificing more future?

It's a fair question.

The Bucks were 5th in the East this past season. With the combo of players and Giannis in the OP and the Celtics taking a step back, they would probably be even higher.

If you're the owner/GM of the Bucks and have the opportunity to make a swing to keep Giannis at least one more year with playoff potential, but yet have the option to trade him by next summer, wouldn't you do it? The cost is a single season and $8M additional salary overall.

[RiotPunch]

That Jrue deal is brutal. Boston should be paying more to get off it. Not dealing the Bucks '31 1st in these scenarios. Not a bad thought process though.

Thanks
How much more do you think that the Celtics should be paying to get out of Jrue's contract? I initially thought #28 for 1st scenario, #28 and #32 for 2nd and 3rd scenarios- is that enough?

One of the aspects of these three teams is that while Jrue is a bad contract, Dame's is even worse. Whomever has him will get probably zero out of it, and at most 1 season, perhaps at a shell of a player than he has been.

If the Bucks are trying to keep Giannis, which I have read that they are (can't blame them, a top 4 player in his prime is hard to come by), how else are the Bucks going to bring in a couple of starter level players without giving up the 2031 pick? Would the additional draft assets that BOS pays being directed to MIL be enough? I think that two of Jrue, Sexton, Collins and/or Porzingas with Giannis is probably a playoff team in the East. Jrue with the perimeter defense and familiarity with Giannis and Porz being able to stretch the floor and rim protect is probably the best combo.

I go back to babyjax's idea where it's Lillard and a '31 or '32 1st swap for Sexton+Collins. Jazz get the tank rolling, give their young guys run, and get a very juicy swap when Giannis is either gone or 36-37 years old.

Alternatively, maybe something involving Kuz/Connaughton rather than Dame? Boston might prefer a wing like Kuz over a guard like Sexton. Bucks have the flexibility to take on a bit of money now.

[shi-woo]

All these deals slap for the Celtics, with the exception of #3. As another poster stated, the difference between an ex. KP and Collins is not a FRP even in a stacked draft. If anything it should be a swap, 22 for 28, Celtic's are trading the better player, and it's not like Collins is known for his health either missing 20+ games 4 out of 8 game.

My favorite trade is the 4th mainly because it just gets it over with for Boston, and gives us a fighting chance next year to make the 2nd, and gets off of Jrue for a 1st round pick only.

The best trade for all teams is probably #2, even if it saves the Celtics the least amount of money.

Solid ideas, and I would very much like to see one of them happen. It's a neat way to get off the Dame contract, and I think all teams wold go for this, and the only hold up would be either better individual deals for Jrue/KP, and the cap situation for UTAH, and whether they are willing to buy out Dame because there is no way you can have a legend like him playing on that team in what very well could be his last year..Does he come off the bench? Is he okay with that? How much if any $ is he willing to give up? I think that would be the biggest hold up.

[Texas Chuck]

This is a really good thread.

[Celts17Pride]

My only comment is I don’t see the Celtics moving the 2026 1st round pick unless it’s a slam dunk trade. Pick could be really valuable.

I actually don’t mind the first three ideas except for giving up a first round pick for John Collins. Don’t see that.

[Celts17Pride]

Outsider here. I think trade 1 is good for all teams.

In 3 turning Porzingis into Collins should not cost a pick. Infact maybe the pick goes the other way.

Disagree there. Collins is a good player who gets too much hate.

So is Porzingis