The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

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That's great for the organization.

That puts our FO in a better position to extend him or to get better offers in a trade.

[BobbieL]

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That's great for the organization.

That puts our FO in a better position to extend him or to get better offers in a trade.

Why would you want to extend him? He is not going to improve at this point of his career. He can only get worse

And again, who cares if he asked for a trade or didn't ask for a trade? It isn't his choice. It shouldn't be Bookers choice either.

[bwgood77]

If he only has to give up $15 million which he definitely would make with a new team over 2 years, and likely more, I guess it's probable, but I think he'd need to know what teams were willing to give him a deal. I could see teams like the Clippers or even young contenders adding him if it's just for the MLE. I'd still hate to see his cap # hitting us for 5 years, when it doesn't even clear enough for us to do anything meaningful other than trade players together or maybe use the tax MLE. Neither of those things are going to make us much better (if any better).

I think Orlando would be a good fit…. And I think we can get under the tax number and use the full MLE… if not then a stretch is really just a tax saving move to offset the blunder that is Beal.

Has there been a team in the past 5 yrs that has had more boneheaders than this one? The ‘What could have been’ file is full.

drafting Smith over Halliburton …. Over paying for KD…. Acquiring Beal…. Trading Toumani/Ayton….. the whole coaching circus….

We’ve shttt our pants just too many times. No wonders we are in this pickle.

No, no one has been nearly as dumb as us. Orlando might be a place Beal would want to go. Good place for the kids all those theme parks there. I think Houston would actually be a good place for him. They could probably use a good vet guard to provide some offense, and FVV will be expiring.

Book would obviously be good for them but for a team like that to add Beal for the MLE would be big for them...and a coach like Udoka.

[bwgood77]

I really hope Oso is working super hard this offseason at trying to turn himself into a PF. His size an athleticism slot him into Pf and some small ball C but I really hope he is working on Pf skills and his shot.

He could use his ex teammate Tyler Kolek to help him out. Would the Knicks trade him for the 52nd pick?

[BobbieL]

Sure it does. It yields a legit player(s) who is an asset … to contribute or trade. You have to accumulate actual NBA-ers and not fill out your roster with Gleaguers who have no value. Cap space is one thing, but it also takes talent to get talent

It has to be a player of decent talent though. You make a very fair salient point. Not all MLE contracts are created equally. But there is something else - you have cap space on the books for three more years as well.

2025/2026 is lost - so really, thats just one year to suck it up with Beal.

[bwgood77]

Sure it does. It yields a legit player(s) who is an asset … to contribute or trade. You have to accumulate actual NBA-ers and not fill out your roster with Gleaguers who have no value. Cap space is one thing, but it also takes talent to get talent

Well, I don't know what kind of "space" stretching Beal gets us. Are we still over the 1st apron? We'd definitely still be in the tax, so it would be the tax MLE at best. Projected Tax MLE ois $5.68 million.

Not sure what you get with that. Someone better than Beal? I guess there is a chance. Worth having a $20 million cap hit for 5 years? Doubtful.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/08/mid-level-bi-annual-projections-for-2025-26.html

[Slim Charless]

Not likely! They have Castle as a franchise cornerstone piece. And with the embarrassment that our front office has the reputation of being, they'll very likely try to lowball us not even including Vassell in a trade but rather some package of either:

Keldon Johnson/ Barnes/ Sochan/ 1-2 firsts (I wouldn't accept this package without AT LEAST 2-3 1sts coming back).

Johnson/ Barnes/ Wesley/ filler/ 2 1sts.

But my package I'd demand would be:

Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ 2 1sts (14th pick) / ATL 27' 1st or 2030 1st via DAL or MIN (swap rights) ** DAL unprotected or Minnesota only top 1 protected.

I'd then look to flip Vassell to Charlotte for Mark Williams/ Grant Williams/ 2 2nds- NOP 25' 2nd (33rd pick)CHO 25' 2nd (34th pick).
** I'd use the 33rd and 34th picks on:

33- Adou Thiero.
34- Kalkbrenner or Zisarky.
OR
Vassell/ Richards to Orlando for KCP/ Bidatze and the DEN 25' 1st (25th pick).
** I'd use this pick for Lendeborg or Raynaud.

I'm admittedly alot more bullish on KD's value then most here but......

Let's say that MIL wants both Castle, #2, #14, Vassell and a some of those tasty ATL picks that SAS owns. Plus makes the Spurs take Kuzma. Not a crazy suggestion as it's rumored MIL's GM is looking to break the other team for a Giannis trade.

So that's the requirement to get Giannis.

On the other hand, we offer up Durant for my package? Which would you rather give up if YOU were the Spurs GM, that above trade to get Giannis OR this:

Castle
#14
Filler (Keldon johnson+Harrison Barnes)

Plus, to sweeten the deal, I'd even agree to give our current CLV pick at #29 to them.

Doesn't that seem alot better to you? Or is that still a no-go....?

Well, I'd love to get your KD trade package from San Antonio man!! But I just don't honestly think there's any way we'd get Castle in a trade for KD. And especially not Castle and the 14th picks. Heck, even if we threw in our 29th pick ( which I personally wouldn't do), I still wouldn't see is getting Castle.

Now yes, the scenario you laid out for KDs' value being much less than what it'd take to get Giannis should obviously be much more appealing to the Spurs GM. But even then, KDs' current value is very unlikely to come close to returning a franchise cornerstone ROY player in the trade.

I just wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Spurs, if even interested in a KD trade offering a package of Johnson ( to move his contract)/ Barnes (as a salary filler to maintain cap flexibility)/ maybe Sochan or else Wesley (for Value filler)/ and the 14th pick / and the ATL 27' 1st. Or something a bit farther out like the 28 first swap via Boston ( Protected for #1).

And San Antonio will undoubtedly be salivating at the thought of Gregory as an inexperienced GM that they'll aggressively low ball trying to get him to cave to subpar value. As will most teams due to our front office's " Clown show" reputation. But yes, I'd still ask for that as a starting point and push for it! But,
I just don't see that outcome.

Ok, would you think a Castle for KD straight up would work? Filler is Barnes and Keldon. Again, this is with the requirements that I already posted from MIL in order to get Giannis.

[thamadkant]

Wolves will be the most aggressive team going after Durant after Thunder sweeps them or win 4-1.

But they don't have anyone and Randle ain't it.

[schnakenpopanz]

Durant will not request a trade. At least not open to the public to give the Suns at least the upper hand. They should do it in secret if so. If not they will extent him and Booker and call it a day.

[Saberestar]

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That's great for the organization.

That puts our FO in a better position to extend him or to get better offers in a trade.

Why would you want to extend him? He is not going to improve at this point of his career. He can only get worse

And again, who cares if he asked for a trade or didn't ask for a trade? It isn't his choice. It shouldn't be Bookers choice either.

The risk of losing KD for nothing would disappear and there would be more time to see how the team responds under a new GM and a new HC.

Beal will be gone and most of the roster will not be back. Different team.

If things don't go well you can always trade KD later at the deadline or next summer. An extension would give us more power in negotiations.

[Saberestar]

Duane Rankin:

League sources say the Heat's associate head coach helped keep Miami together and made sure the team didn’t go “sideways."

Quinn has been an assistant under Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra since 2015. He previously worked as an assistant for the Heat’s G League team, Sioux Falls Skyforce, in the 2014-15 season.

He also played three seasons for the Heat, with the first two under Pat Riley (2006-08) and the third one for Spoelstra (2008-09).

Quinn is Spoelstra’s “right hand man” when it comes to in-game adjustments, sources say. He has been in contention for NBA head coaching vacancies in recent years.

Quinn’s ability to connect with players is deemed impressive. He’s big on player development as evidenced by him leading the charge to have coaches available 24/7 for players to work on their game.

A Notre Dame graduate, Quinn played a role in the development of shooting guard Tyler Herro, who became a first-time All-Star for the Heat this season.

Herro averaged a career-high 23.9 points in his sixth NBA season out of Kentucky.

Quinn was a director of player development on the collegiate level at Northwestern before joining the Heat.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/05/23/suns-head-coach-candidate-chris-quinn-miami-heat/83778762007/

[BobbieL]

That's great for the organization.

That puts our FO in a better position to extend him or to get better offers in a trade.

Why would you want to extend him? He is not going to improve at this point of his career. He can only get worse

And again, who cares if he asked for a trade or didn't ask for a trade? It isn't his choice. It shouldn't be Bookers choice either.

The risk of losing KD for nothing would disappear and there would be more time to see how the team responds under a new GM and a new HC.

Beal will be gone and most of the roster will not be back. Different team.

If things don't go well you can always trade KD later at the deadline or next summer. An extension would give us more power in negotiations.

The problems with the Suns start with Booker and Durant --- bringing them back would create the similar problems.
Along with Beal -they are the common factor. New HC, new GM -- won't help the team with Booker and Durant as the two main players. They are not compatible complementary players. Don't look at stats, look at W's and L's

And I get it - the Beal and Ayton trades were fiascos, just terrible. But moving forward, trading Durant has to happen

[dremill24]

I'm admittedly alot more bullish on KD's value then most here but......

Let's say that MIL wants both Castle, #2, #14, Vassell and a some of those tasty ATL picks that SAS owns. Plus makes the Spurs take Kuzma. Not a crazy suggestion as it's rumored MIL's GM is looking to break the other team for a Giannis trade.

So that's the requirement to get Giannis.

On the other hand, we offer up Durant for my package? Which would you rather give up if YOU were the Spurs GM, that above trade to get Giannis OR this:

Castle
#14
Filler (Keldon johnson+Harrison Barnes)

Plus, to sweeten the deal, I'd even agree to give our current CLV pick at #29 to them.

Doesn't that seem alot better to you? Or is that still a no-go....?

Well, I'd love to get your KD trade package from San Antonio man!! But I just don't honestly think there's any way we'd get Castle in a trade for KD. And especially not Castle and the 14th picks. Heck, even if we threw in our 29th pick ( which I personally wouldn't do), I still wouldn't see is getting Castle.

Now yes, the scenario you laid out for KDs' value being much less than what it'd take to get Giannis should obviously be much more appealing to the Spurs GM. But even then, KDs' current value is very unlikely to come close to returning a franchise cornerstone ROY player in the trade.

I just wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Spurs, if even interested in a KD trade offering a package of Johnson ( to move his contract)/ Barnes (as a salary filler to maintain cap flexibility)/ maybe Sochan or else Wesley (for Value filler)/ and the 14th pick / and the ATL 27' 1st. Or something a bit farther out like the 28 first swap via Boston ( Protected for #1).

And San Antonio will undoubtedly be salivating at the thought of Gregory as an inexperienced GM that they'll aggressively low ball trying to get him to cave to subpar value. As will most teams due to our front office's " Clown show" reputation. But yes, I'd still ask for that as a starting point and push for it! But,
I just don't see that outcome.

Ok, would you think a Castle for KD straight up would work? Filler is Barnes and Keldon. Again, this is with the requirements that I already posted from MIL in order to get Giannis.

I think you need to let the Castle dream die man

[thamadkant]

Why would you want to extend him? He is not going to improve at this point of his career. He can only get worse

And again, who cares if he asked for a trade or didn't ask for a trade? It isn't his choice. It shouldn't be Bookers choice either.

The risk of losing KD for nothing would disappear and there would be more time to see how the team responds under a new GM and a new HC.

Beal will be gone and most of the roster will not be back. Different team.

If things don't go well you can always trade KD later at the deadline or next summer. An extension would give us more power in negotiations.

The problems with the Suns start with Booker and Durant --- bringing them back would create the similar problems.
Along with Beal -they are the common factor. New HC, new GM -- won't help the team with Booker and Durant as the two main players. They are not compatible complementary players. Don't look at stats, look at W's and L's

And I get it - the Beal and Ayton trades were fiascos, just terrible. But moving forward, trading Durant has to happen

Again, the things youre saying about Booker and KD is about 2 months if not 3 months late. It's been discussed to death.

Suns SHOULD trade both and rebuild for 2029 run... get 7 first rounders and a young player or two. Logic dictates so considering how many holes the team has and how terrible Booker is as a first option and that KD is old and isn't a leader.

[KdoubleDees23]

Wolves will be the most aggressive team going after Durant after Thunder sweeps them or win 4-1.

But they don't have anyone and Randle ain't it.

TBH. I would take

Randle, Naz Reid and 1st for KD

[BobbieL]

Wolves will be the most aggressive team going after Durant after Thunder sweeps them or win 4-1.

But they don't have anyone and Randle ain't it.

TBH. I would take

Randle, Naz Reid and 1st for KD

Wouldn't McDaniels be better than Randle -- granted longer term deal but some upside potential

[BobbieL]

The risk of losing KD for nothing would disappear and there would be more time to see how the team responds under a new GM and a new HC.

Beal will be gone and most of the roster will not be back. Different team.

If things don't go well you can always trade KD later at the deadline or next summer. An extension would give us more power in negotiations.

The problems with the Suns start with Booker and Durant --- bringing them back would create the similar problems.
Along with Beal -they are the common factor. New HC, new GM -- won't help the team with Booker and Durant as the two main players. They are not compatible complementary players. Don't look at stats, look at W's and L's

And I get it - the Beal and Ayton trades were fiascos, just terrible. But moving forward, trading Durant has to happen

Again, the things youre saying about Booker and KD is about 2 months if not 3 months late. It's been discussed to death.

Suns SHOULD trade both and rebuild for 2029 run... get 7 first rounders and a young player or two. Logic dictates so considering how many holes the team has and how terrible Booker is as a first option and that KD is old and isn't a leader.

Correct Answer! KD is old and not a leader. I actually want him traded as I just don't want him on the team.

[bullsaficianado]

I really don't like any of the offers for Durant. Might as well just keep him if we trade him we are gonna suck anyway.

[KdoubleDees23]

I really don't like any of the offers for Durant. Might as well just keep him if we trade him we are gonna suck anyway.

KD is not a leader, and not making the players around him better! We need to get rid of that snake, and also get rid of beal while we are at it.

I would rather us have the same record this year with youth that hustles, has fun, and plays together well vs a "big 3" that cannot even get to .500 and make the playoffs

[KdoubleDees23]

I really don't like any of the offers for Durant. Might as well just keep him if we trade him we are gonna suck anyway.

We sucked this year with him