2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ummmm Kings got Zach LaVine. They are not trading for Herro.

They got fleeced in the Hali deal, fleeced in the Fox deal, and in general, dont have the greatest reputation when it comes to team building, at least not since the Webber era.

A good salesperson can outmaneuver them on the phones.

Trying to rationalize a chit trade for both teams. DeRozan makes like absolute zero sense here. Even in the Fox deal they still got LaVine out of it and in the Hali deal they wanted a big and ended up getting Sabonis. In this case you want to pile Herro on them when they already got LaVine making a ton of money at the two and they already have Monk playing out of position which they seem to be trying to fix by finding a PG.

[MettaWorldPanda]

DeRozan with two years left on his deal like Wiggins with his PO once again makes zero sense. Is DeRozan coming off the bench? I don’t think his ego would take that. I would rather just stick with the much younger Wiggins. The DeRozan noise always stemmed from his relationship with Lowry and Butler. Both of them are long gone. We need a dead eye three point shooter coming from the SF spot if the goal is to continue with Ware and Bam. Just pure lazy offseason reporting rumor

[Beenie]

Ummmm Kings got Zach LaVine. They are not trading for Herro.

They got fleeced in the Hali deal, fleeced in the Fox deal, and in general, dont have the greatest reputation when it comes to team building, at least not since the Webber era.

A good salesperson can outmaneuver them on the phones.

Trying to rationalize a chit trade for both teams. DeRozan makes like absolute zero sense here. Even in the Fox deal they still got LaVine out of it and in the Hali deal they wanted a big and ended up getting Sabonis. In this case you want to pile Herro on them when they already got LaVine making a ton of money at the two and they already have Monk playing out of position which they seem to be trying to fix by finding a PG.

The rationale for Sac is simple, trade an old mid range SG for a much younger 3 point shooter to space the floor.

I suspect Monk will be their 6 man

Sac also doesnt have a 1st round pick in this year's draft which theyd be getting here

Great trade for Mia. Get 2 extra assets with Carter and an additional 1st round pick. Derozan is cheaper than Herro and is the much better playoff performer. Also allows Mia to be noncommittal on bringing back Mitchell. IMO, Carter has a much higher upside.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ummmm Kings got Zach LaVine. They are not trading for Herro.

They got fleeced in the Hali deal, fleeced in the Fox deal, and in general, dont have the greatest reputation when it comes to team building, at least not since the Webber era.

A good salesperson can outmaneuver them on the phones.

3Hammy said the Kings built a contender from the Spurs trade

I never once said that, I said they got a solid return for their guy asking out with only 1 year left on his contract. The Spurs didn’t try to strong arm the Kings when Fox said he only wanted the spurs, they came to the table with a respectable deal and got **** done. Our FO should learn from that.

I do remember cooking you over that though lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

They got fleeced in the Hali deal, fleeced in the Fox deal, and in general, dont have the greatest reputation when it comes to team building, at least not since the Webber era.

A good salesperson can outmaneuver them on the phones.

Trying to rationalize a chit trade for both teams. DeRozan makes like absolute zero sense here. Even in the Fox deal they still got LaVine out of it and in the Hali deal they wanted a big and ended up getting Sabonis. In this case you want to pile Herro on them when they already got LaVine making a ton of money at the two and they already have Monk playing out of position which they seem to be trying to fix by finding a PG.

The rationale for Sac is simple, trade an old mid range SG for a much younger 3 point shooter to space the floor.

I suspect Monk will be their 6 man

Sac also doesnt have a 1st round pick in this year's draft which theyd be getting here

Great trade for Mia. Get 2 extra assets with Carter and an additional 1st round pick. Derozan is cheaper than Herro and is the much better playoff performer. Also allows Mia to be noncommittal on bringing back Mitchell. IMO, Carter has a much higher upside.

Great for Heat without a doubt how could anyone argue with that. If i put myself in the Kings shoes i tell you to take your Herro and go kick rocks when i already got LaVine at the two making 45 mil and Monk 20 mil as his backup. Carter projects to be way better defensively than Herro and can take over at PG and technically the only projected PG on the roster and cost controlled at that. Gonna take more then just the Kings are dumb to sell me on this one.

[MettaWorldPanda]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

[insfo]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

This. And this would be a better return for the Kings than the crap we try to push to them.

[MettaWorldPanda]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

This. And this would be a better return for the Kings than the crap we try to push to them.

Kings also have Valencuinas getting wasted on the bench there on a good deal. Lakers could certainly use him as well. They send Knecht over with the spare parts they easily get them both and it makes all the sense in the world for both teams.

[Beenie]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

Lakers need bigs, not another guard. Makes no sense for them to exhaust assets for Derozan

[MettaWorldPanda]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

Lakers need bigs, not another guard. Makes no sense for them to exhaust assets for Derozan

DeRozan is a SF not a guard. Defensively he can barely handle the 3 spot. What he does give the Lakers is an added scorer which they do need especially when one of LeBron or Luka sit. I mentioned them also trying to get Valencuinas as a big so in the end they make better trading partners than the Heat.

[Beenie]

DeRozan to the Lakers for some spare parts like Vincent and Vanderbilt seems a lot more realistic. He’s an LA guy so getting to finish his career there makes sense. Would probably even agree to come off the bench as a scorer if they need him to do that. Kings would be doing right by him sending him home. Something he’s wanted for a long time

Lakers need bigs, not another guard. Makes no sense for them to exhaust assets for Derozan

DeRozan is a SF not a guard. Defensively he can barely handle the 3 spot. What he does give the Lakers is an added scorer which they do need especially when one of LeBron or Luka sit. I mentioned them also trying to get Valencuinas as a big so in the end they make better trading partners than the Heat.

They just tried trading for Mark Williams which lets us know that they value young athletic rim protectors.

[Beenie]

Lakers need bigs, not another guard. Makes no sense for them to exhaust assets for Derozan

DeRozan is a SF not a guard. Defensively he can barely handle the 3 spot. What he does give the Lakers is an added scorer which they do need especially when one of LeBron or Luka sit. I mentioned them also trying to get Valencuinas as a big so in the end they make better trading partners than the Heat.

They just tried trading for Mark Williams which lets us know that they value young athletic rim protectors.

Wouldnt be shocking if they even tried to revisit getting him in the offseason.

Claxton is another guy to keep an eye on for them

[He2Fast]

What is the consensus on the board about Niko’s individual potential?

What about his fit alongside the Bam/Kelel duo?

[twix2500]

What is the consensus on the board about Niko’s individual potential?

What about his fit alongside the Bam/Kelel duo?

My outlook is Niko is going into his third season (his first season was a red shirt physical development), the Heat should give him an opportunity to compete as the starting 3 and be used as a scorer and play maker. Niko had a good 2nd year. 11pt, 4rb and 3ast at 37 3p% and 56 eFG is a solid performance off the bench. He is still developing physically and mentally. Like Herro he needs to stay away from injury. I think there is a Hedo Turkoglu or Detlef Schrempf in him.

[Beenie]

Trying to rationalize a chit trade for both teams. DeRozan makes like absolute zero sense here. Even in the Fox deal they still got LaVine out of it and in the Hali deal they wanted a big and ended up getting Sabonis. In this case you want to pile Herro on them when they already got LaVine making a ton of money at the two and they already have Monk playing out of position which they seem to be trying to fix by finding a PG.

The rationale for Sac is simple, trade an old mid range SG for a much younger 3 point shooter to space the floor.

I suspect Monk will be their 6 man

Sac also doesnt have a 1st round pick in this year's draft which theyd be getting here

Great trade for Mia. Get 2 extra assets with Carter and an additional 1st round pick. Derozan is cheaper than Herro and is the much better playoff performer. Also allows Mia to be noncommittal on bringing back Mitchell. IMO, Carter has a much higher upside.

Great for Heat without a doubt how could anyone argue with that. If i put myself in the Kings shoes i tell you to take your Herro and go kick rocks when i already got LaVine at the two making 45 mil and Monk 20 mil as his backup. Carter projects to be way better defensively than Herro and can take over at PG and technically the only projected PG on the roster and cost controlled at that. Gonna take more then just the Kings are dumb to sell me on this one.

Carter missed most of the season and on draft night last year, they reportedly were open for business in trading the pick that they used to get him.

I dont believe their married to him or Monk for that matter.

[Kobewade11]

Talking about Derozan with a straight face. For as much flack as this FO gets, im glad they’re in charge

[Hallstar]

What is the consensus on the board about Niko’s individual potential?

What about his fit alongside the Bam/Kelel duo?

My outlook is Niko is going into his third season (his first season was a red shirt physical development), the Heat should give him an opportunity to compete as the starting 3 and be used as a scorer and play maker. Niko had a good 2nd year. 11pt, 4rb and 3ast at 37 3p% and 56 eFG is a solid performance off the bench. He is still developing physically and mentally. Like Herro he needs to stay away from injury. I think there is a Hedo Turkoglu or Detlef Schrempf in him.

This, my problem with the Heat's development system. It seems good for developing defensive roleplayers instead of stars. I would have much preferred if they tried to play him like a poor man's Luka over the years than develop a Heat big man with his skills.

[Beenie]

Talking about Derozan with a straight face. For as much flack as this FO gets, im glad they’re in charge

I dont want him, they do lol

The KD fantasy with a straight face is the real cope

[Kobewade11]

Talking about Derozan with a straight face. For as much flack as this FO gets, im glad they’re in charge

I dont want him, they do lol

According to who? Lol

[Beenie]

TBC, I dont want Derozan and am not genuinely advocating that Mia trades for him.

I do sincerely think that he is someone that Mia has a serious interest in acquiring.

He fits the profile of the aging humble vet scorer that Riley described in his presser, not to mention that Mia has previously attempted to attain him.

I'm merely preemptively suggesting that this will be a likely course of action when Mia strikes out on the bigger deals that everyone seems to want them to make.

Also adding on on how they could potentially make a Derozan deal work to their benefit though I dont think my Herro package idea for Carter n picks has any actual legs simply because Mia seems to be wedded to Herro