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bisme37 wrote:So as a big JT fan who spends way too much time reading people's nasty internet comments, at least JT going out on a huge game seems to have prevented what would have been a summer of people saying he sucks and made us lose.
bisme37 wrote:bisme37 wrote:So as a big JT fan who spends way too much time reading people's nasty internet comments, at least JT going out on a huge game seems to have prevented what would have been a summer of people saying he sucks and made us lose.
I spoke too soon! Now that we won Game 5 with no JT the trolls are out again haha
brackdan70 wrote:bisme37 wrote:bisme37 wrote:So as a big JT fan who spends way too much time reading people's nasty internet comments, at least JT going out on a huge game seems to have prevented what would have been a summer of people saying he sucks and made us lose.
I spoke too soon! Now that we won Game 5 with no JT the trolls are out again haha
lol, yeah we can trade him for cap relief and a couple 2nds and be better off.
Counter argument is he was top 5 in the regular season in impact metrics and top 1 in some in the playoffs so far.
I think there is a lesson for him about crunch time though…and the whole team. Ball movement and player movement leads to good things.
To better understand this injury, CelticsBlog spoke with Dr. Lou Soslowsky, the founding director of the Penn Achilles Tendinopathy Center of Research Translation, an NIH-funded center created to specifically research Achilles tendon injuries and develop new treatments.
In addition to being a renowned expert in this field, Dr. Soslowsky also has first-hand experience with this injury — he tore his own Achilles tendon playing volleyball and returned to play just 7 months later. And, he finds the fact that Jayson Tatum is 27 years old and able to get his Achilles repaired the morning after the injury to be hugely encouraging — and pretty unprecedented.
“One of the difficulties of Achilles tendon tear is that it’s difficult to remain to keep your cardiovascular levels high with an Achilles injury,” Soslowsky said. “Because you’re not running, you’re not riding a bike, you’re not doing anything for many months, and so even after the tear is healed, there’ll be some time before he’s ready to play at the level that he’s capable of playing.”
But, in many ways, Tatum is in a pretty unprecedented situation. And the way things played out in the aftermath of the rupture could prove highly beneficial.
“The fact that he did choose a surgeon — and there was availability to operate on him so quickly — gives him an excellent shot at an earlier-than-average, high-level athlete return.”
“You’re going to get infiltration of biologic agents and cells that will create the beginnings of scar formation,” Soslowsky said. “Because this repair was within a day, those processes had only just begun, and with a surgical pair, the torn ends were put right back together before a lot of these adverse biologic effects occurred. And so the opportunity for a faster recovery really is present.”
Still, Dr. Soslowsky doesn’t think that the Celtics will rush Tatum’s return
Dr. Soslowsky said that the return to injury spans from anywhere between 7 months to a year and a half, and it’s nearly impossible at this point to determine which of those scenarios is most realistic. In a few months, Tatum and the Celtics will be able to assess where he’s at in his recovery and determine whether he’s in a position to make a push to return next season.
“At some point in some months, we’ll get a much better idea of whether they’re going to try and get back next season or not,” he said. “If you want to be conservative, one would say, well, it’s probably a 12-month rehab anyway. Therefore, let’s let him sit out and give him the best shot during the following season. On the other hand, if in a handful of months he’s doing well, then there’ll be the push and pull to say, we can get him back next season.”
“I think the likelihood of coming back next season is pretty low, honestly,” Soslowsky said. “But in some ways that might be just as well, because we have seen when people do come back early, there certainly is a risk of relapsing. That would be catastrophic, that would be awful. And so that’s not something that one would want to risk. On the other hand, we’ll know in a few months how he’s progressing.”
Gant wrote:Here's a must read article by Noa Dalzell on Tatum's achilles surgery. This is great reporting.
Expert shares very encouraging insight about Jayson Tatum’s injury
Tatum was able to do something few athletes have been able to do — get their Achilles rupture repaired the morning after the injury was suffered. That could make a massive difference when it comes to his recovery, according to UPenn’s Dr. Lou Soslowsky.To better understand this injury, CelticsBlog spoke with Dr. Lou Soslowsky, the founding director of the Penn Achilles Tendinopathy Center of Research Translation, an NIH-funded center created to specifically research Achilles tendon injuries and develop new treatments.
In addition to being a renowned expert in this field, Dr. Soslowsky also has first-hand experience with this injury — he tore his own Achilles tendon playing volleyball and returned to play just 7 months later. And, he finds the fact that Jayson Tatum is 27 years old and able to get his Achilles repaired the morning after the injury to be hugely encouraging — and pretty unprecedented.“One of the difficulties of Achilles tendon tear is that it’s difficult to remain to keep your cardiovascular levels high with an Achilles injury,” Soslowsky said. “Because you’re not running, you’re not riding a bike, you’re not doing anything for many months, and so even after the tear is healed, there’ll be some time before he’s ready to play at the level that he’s capable of playing.”
But, in many ways, Tatum is in a pretty unprecedented situation. And the way things played out in the aftermath of the rupture could prove highly beneficial.
“The fact that he did choose a surgeon — and there was availability to operate on him so quickly — gives him an excellent shot at an earlier-than-average, high-level athlete return.”
https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/5/15/24430310/jayson-tatum-achilles-tendon-injury-celtics-nba-playoffs-surgery-recovery-timeline
Fierce1 wrote:OnlyTheTruth wrote:Entire post season was just a disaster. Sucks that this happened. If its Achilles not everyone recovers the same. He might never be the same.
If he's in his 30s then that's really possible.
But he just turned 27 for crying out loud.
tfmiii wrote:JT has a couple key areas of his game to work on.
#1 is the tortoise pace he imposes on the team. His insistence on walking the ball up (why is he bringing it up the court to begin with?) coupled with his fiddling-diddling with the ball like he's hatching an egg really hurts the team on offense. Even in instances when he passes it usually takes several crucial seconds for him to decide to do so. He needs to go fast, decide fast, make his moves fast. He should get a tattoo "3 seconds!"
The pace and ball stopping is a negative we constantly have to overcome and part of the reason why we're prone to choking.
#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?
#3 is stop playing iso-hero ball in crunch time. This usually involve him initiating offense at the 3pt line or further, another pet peeve of mine.
JT puts up generational numbers and he's a lock for the hall of fame. So did Karl Malone. But the issues above hold him back from true MVP consideration. These issues are essentially mental issues related to poor decisionmaking and bad habits.
He can resolve or ameliorate those issues but JT needs do some or all of the following (The Mailman was able to follow the 1st two):
a) defer to another player with better, quicker decision making (and a better handle). Karl had Stockton, but I don't think one needs a HOF point guard to aid in this respect.
b) listen and follow coaching direction to correct these issues (dependent on a coach who is both aware of them as issues and willing to stand up to JT). Karl had Jerry Sloan. Again I don't think JT needs a Hall of Fame coach (that would certainly help) but at minimum a coach who has a decent grasp of pace and team fundamentals - not one who will settle for iso-ball.
c) study the game and draw the correct conclusions, presumably with a mentor to guide him. Not a shot doctor. Not Kobe's 'example'. Not Xs and Os. Understanding the importance of pace, passing, and percentages and how they shape any given game's outcome. This is the most difficult and many coaches don't fully achieve it.
I think JT's capable of the first two at minimum, but he needs less deference from the people around him and more guidance on how his hard work needs to better integrate into the bigger bball picture.
Celts17Pride wrote:I wouldn't play JT one minute next season. Taking the full year off from competitive NBA basketball is the best thing for Tatum's recovery and future in my opinion.
tfmiii wrote:JT has a couple key areas of his game to work on.
#1 is the tortoise pace he imposes on the team. His insistence on walking the ball up (why is he bringing it up the court to begin with?) coupled with his fiddling-diddling with the ball like he's hatching an egg really hurts the team on offense. Even in instances when he passes it usually takes several crucial seconds for him to decide to do so. He needs to go fast, decide fast, make his moves fast. He should get a tattoo "3 seconds!"
The pace and ball stopping is a negative we constantly have to overcome and part of the reason why we're prone to choking.
#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?
#3 is stop playing iso-hero ball in crunch time. This usually involve him initiating offense at the 3pt line or further, another pet peeve of mine.
JT puts up generational numbers and he's a lock for the hall of fame. So did Karl Malone. But the issues above hold him back from true MVP consideration. These issues are essentially mental issues related to poor decisionmaking and bad habits.
He can resolve or ameliorate those issues but JT needs do some or all of the following (The Mailman was able to follow the 1st two):
a) defer to another player with better, quicker decision making (and a better handle). Karl had Stockton, but I don't think one needs a HOF point guard to aid in this respect.
b) listen and follow coaching direction to correct these issues (dependent on a coach who is both aware of them as issues and willing to stand up to JT). Karl had Jerry Sloan. Again I don't think JT needs a Hall of Fame coach (that would certainly help) but at minimum a coach who has a decent grasp of pace and team fundamentals - not one who will settle for iso-ball.
c) study the game and draw the correct conclusions, presumably with a mentor to guide him. Not a shot doctor. Not Kobe's 'example'. Not Xs and Os. Understanding the importance of pace, passing, and percentages and how they shape any given game's outcome. This is the most difficult and many coaches don't fully achieve it.
I think JT's capable of the first two at minimum, but he needs less deference from the people around him and more guidance on how his hard work needs to better integrate into the bigger bball picture.
tfmiii wrote:JT has a couple key areas of his game to work on.
#1 is the tortoise pace he imposes on the team. His insistence on walking the ball up (why is he bringing it up the court to begin with?) coupled with his fiddling-diddling with the ball like he's hatching an egg really hurts the team on offense. Even in instances when he passes it usually takes several crucial seconds for him to decide to do so. He needs to go fast, decide fast, make his moves fast. He should get a tattoo "3 seconds!"
The pace and ball stopping is a negative we constantly have to overcome and part of the reason why we're prone to choking.
#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?
#3 is stop playing iso-hero ball in crunch time. This usually involve him initiating offense at the 3pt line or further, another pet peeve of mine.
tfmiii wrote:#2 is - no surprise - shot selection / shot arsenal. He badly needs a go-to move other than a step back three. Something that has a higher percentage to actually go in. And no, one-legged turn-around fall-aways are NOT the answer. Is his first step really so slow that he can't drive and rise up to shoot a mid-range?
tfmiii wrote:c) study the game and draw the correct conclusions, presumably with a mentor to guide him. Not a shot doctor. Not Kobe's 'example'. Not Xs and Os. Understanding the importance of pace, passing, and percentages and how they shape any given game's outcome. This is the most difficult and many coaches don't fully achieve it.