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SupremeHustle · Post #1021 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:02 am

I'm over my dislike of Indy. Now I want to see them play OKC because I think that is the best remaining matchup.

rilamann · Post #1022 » by **rilamann** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:02 am

humanrefutation wrote:Carlisle is a better coach than we've had in a long while. I think he's better than Bud.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic.

Saying that you think Carlisle is better than Bud. Is like saying that you think Giannis is better than Rudy Gobert.

And I actually think Bud is a decent coach, hell of a lot better than Doc.

rilamann · Post #1023 » by **rilamann** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:05 am

SupremeHustle wrote:I'm over my dislike of Indy. Now I want to see them play OKC because I think that is the best remaining matchup.

If you ever wanted to see the 8th best team in the league on paper, but is incredibly well coached and plays hard and plays smart for 100% of the full 48 minutes.

Play a best of 7 series against the best team in the league on paper.

OKC vs Indiana will be your series.

Coach Carter · Post #1024 » by **Coach Carter** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:12 am

We should've made a play for siakam, don't know what we offer, but knowing well khris body wasn't going to hold up, I feel that was the move, if you accept the notion that Giannis alienates point guards with how ball dominant he is. Khris and Jrue both knew and accepted the pecking order, something Dame wasn't use to. Siakam was such a great no.2 behind kawhi and would've also been behind Giannis. He has also improved his 3pt shooting, to combat spacing issues.

Milbucks96 · Post #1025 » by **Milbucks96** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:22 am

jschligs wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:Your 2025 nba champions Indiana pacers. They’re going to smother SGA and shoot 50/38/82 as a team against that great thunder defense. This is a really good team I can’t lie anymore.

OKC's defensive intensity is far greater than any team that Indy has played thus far. It's going to be a battle, but OKC's offense is, in my opinion, also great than any team Indy has played this far. Even Cleveland's.

They’ll beat them 4-2 instead of 4-1 then

Post #1026 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:23 am

I think Indiana does it too. Age is gonna count in this one.

Post #1027 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:31 am

Read on Twitter

Amazing.

Plossum · Post #1028 » by **Plossum** » Sat May 24, 2025 3:54 am

Murray is a Cubs and Knicks fan? Weird combo.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1029 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:18 am

Prez wrote:I don't think the Pacers roster is amazing or anything honestly. They have some talent but I think Carlisle is just one of the great coaches who got slept on for several years there but is reminding everyone how awesome he is.

I think the 2024-25 Bucks with a healthy Dame coached by Carlisle could've been awesome.

If Dame is healthy, I think the Bucks are on their way to the Finals right now and we're not having these discussions about Carlisle or Giannis. It's wild how much injuries shape narratives.

VooDoo7 · Post #1030 » by **VooDoo7** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:15 am

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BigO · Post #1031 » by **BigO** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:43 am

There are so many hot takes on this board on coaches (I know, shocking) that are totaly based on recency bias.

For years posters said Bud was on of the best coaches, despite having the most talented team. This year we were told Atkinson was one of the best coaches. Now we are told Carlisle is a top three coach.

Was Atkinson a great coach in this years playoffs?

Was Carlisle a great coach when he left Dallas and Kidd came in and had a better record and went to the Finals?

Was Bud a great coach this year in Phoenix, when the prior year they wre 16 games above .500 with Frank Vogel?

There's a lot of variables that go into analyzing a coach-talent, injuries, competition and more.

I differ with some of you here on Bud, but I think we almost all agree Doc is a bad coach (despite winning a champioship just like Bud) and Spoelstra is at the top. I think most of us can explain why.

Post #1032 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat May 24, 2025 12:40 pm

BigO wrote:There are so many hot takes on this board on coaches (I know, shocking) that are totaly based on recency bias.

For years posters said Bud was on of the best coaches, despite having the most talented team. This year we were told Atkinson was one of the best coaches. Now we are told Carlisle is a top three coach.

Was Atkinson a great coach in this years playoffs?

Was Carlisle a great coach when he left Dallas and Kidd came in and had a better record and went to the Finals?

Was Bud a great coach this year in Phoenix, when the prior year they wre 16 games above .500 with Frank Vogel?

There's a lot of variables that go into analyzing a coach-talent, injuries, competition and more.

I differ with some of you here on Bud, but I think we almost all agree Doc is a bad coach (despite winning a champioship just like Bud) and Spoelstra is at the top. I think most of us can explain why.

How does Bud win 60 games with that Hawks team?

pifhluk23 · Post #1033 » by **pifhluk23** » Sat May 24, 2025 12:57 pm

rilamann wrote:Seems way longer than a month and a half ago that some of you guys were telling me Relax, we're going to beat these clowns in 5.

A month and half ago maybe 3? of us were begging the Bucks to lose a couple games and drop to 6 to play the Knicks. It was so obvious.

German Athens · Post #1034 » by **German Athens** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:02 pm

Was LeBron the last #1 pick to actually become a top-5 player?

machu46 · Post #1035 » by **machu46** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:17 pm

German Athens wrote:Was LeBron the last #1 pick to actually become a top-5 player?

Dwight, Rose briefly, Anthony Davis, and Edwards is close but not quite there IMO. I think Davis is the answer for now but Edwards and Wemby definitely have the potential.

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German Athens · Post #1036 » by **German Athens** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:38 pm

machu46 wrote:
German Athens wrote:Was LeBron the last #1 pick to actually become a top-5 player?
Dwight, Rose briefly, Anthony Davis, and Edwards is close but not quite there IMO. I think Davis is the answer for now but Edwards and Wemby definitely have the potential.

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I initially thought AD, too, but it’s tough when you dig into it. AD would have had a claim between 2015-2020, right?

But over that entire timespan, you would have firmly had LeBron, Steph, and KD ahead of him. So, there’s only two spots.

Kawhi would have been ahead by 2017, maybe even 2016. CP would have been ahead early. Giannis was clearly ahead by 2019. Harden was in Houston by 2015. Jokic and Embiid probably passed up AD at the tail end of that range.

It’s really crowded, and I’m not sure AD was ever actually top 5.

Wemby and Ant have a great chance to be, particularly Wemby, but I think it highlights how hard it is to get that guy even if you have the top pick.

FrieAaron · Post #1037 » by **FrieAaron** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:40 pm

BigO wrote:Was Atkinson a great coach in this years playoffs?

Yes

BigO wrote:Was Carlisle a great coach when he left Dallas and Kidd came in and had a better record and went to the Finals?

Yes

BigO wrote:Was Bud a great coach this year in Phoenix, when the prior year they wre 16 games above .500 with Frank Vogel?

Yes

A coach can pull the correct levers and still lose. Sometimes there aren't enough levers. But these last two seasons we've had a coach who was so obviously pulling the wrong levers.

Post #1038 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:50 pm

To say Doc is worse doesn't change what Bud did this year. Bud was a massive failure in Phoenix. There is no legitimate way to spin it. He took over the same team, added Dunn and was 13 games worse. We can debate what kind of coach he was here and with the Hawks. But with the Suns there is no debate.

machu46 · Post #1039 » by **machu46** » Sat May 24, 2025 1:55 pm

German Athens wrote:
machu46 wrote:
German Athens wrote:Was LeBron the last #1 pick to actually become a top-5 player?
Dwight, Rose briefly, Anthony Davis, and Edwards is close but not quite there IMO. I think Davis is the answer for now but Edwards and Wemby definitely have the potential.

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I initially thought AD, too, but it’s tough when you dig into it. AD would have had a claim between 2015-2020, right?

But over that entire timespan, you would have firmly had LeBron, Steph, and KD ahead of him. So, there’s only two spots.

Kawhi would have been ahead by 2017, maybe even 2016. CP would have been ahead early. Giannis was clearly ahead by 2019. Harden was in Houston by 2015. Jokic and Embiid probably passed up AD at the tail end of that range.

It’s really crowded, and I’m not sure AD was ever actually top 5.

Wemby and Ant have a great chance to be, particularly Wemby, but I think it highlights how hard it is to get that guy even if you have the top pick.

I won't really fight you on whether Davis was actually like #6 vs. #5, but between making 1st team All NBA several times and finishing top 3 in MVP voting once, I personally think it's pretty reasonable to say he reached that level.

And I think Dwight and Rose are basically indisputable.

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machu46 · Post #1040 » by **machu46** » Sat May 24, 2025 2:02 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:To say Doc is worse doesn't change what Bud did this year. Bud was a massive failure in Phoenix. There is no legitimate way to spin it. He took over the same team, added Dunn and was 13 games worse. We can debate what kind of coach he was here and with the Hawks. But with the Suns there is no debate.

The record probably ends up being worse either way, but their core played a lot fewer games this season than the prior one. Even beyond their big 3, which was healthier and younger two years ago, they also had actual centers playing in their games. They couldn't even get Nurkic on the floor this year. Their main bigs this year were Plumlee and Nick Richards.

They were a disappointment regardless though.

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