2025 Off-Season Strategy - What will Cronin do?

[Wizenheimer]

The Orlando deal I have been noodling around is essentially Simons/Thybulle for KCP/Anthony and a pick. Pretty close on salary, Orlando upgrades their PG spot with some more shooting and Thybulle might be what they were expecting KCP to be. I don't think I would take on KCP's contract for just 25, but will they give 16 to upgrade two positions?

I would rather send them some other filler besides Thybulle but I can see him being a guy Orlando likes and makes them more likely to part with the higher pick.

that trade works now and at the draft. It won't work after the moratorium when Orlando is an apron team

I underestimated how big and impact these new apron rules were going to have

[DaVoiceMaster]

Yeah, I'm not inclined to trade the #11 pick. Simon's for KCP, Isaac, and the #16 & #25 picks should be close.

Portland sends out 25M and takes back 47M. Not anywhere close to a legal trade; even with the Laker deal in the mix. Issac has a 25M salary; KCP 22M

and, Simons is not worth 2 first round picks

Issac only has $15M (since we're dealing with next season's numbers).

Its $27M to Orlando and $37M to Portland. ~$3M more salary would need to be sent to the Magic for it to be legal

You missed my post just before yours. I forgot to add RW3 to the deal.

[soobias]

quick question, is KP still the GM of indiana ?

[Butter]

quick question, is KP still the GM of indiana ?

30 second Google search

Kevin Lee Pritchard is the Indiana Pacers' President of Basketball Operations.

The current general manager of the Indiana Pacers is Chad Buchanan. He was hired on June 29, 2017. Before joining the Pacers, he served as the assistant general manager for the Charlotte Hornets for two seasons.

[soobias]

thanks butter, yeah i could've/ should've looked it up lol but to me it's good to see KP and Buchanan doing a decent job over there.

[Sinobas]

Trade idea: the Nets have 4 first round draft picks and a bunch of cap space. They could absorb Simons.

Simons and #11 to NJ for their #8 #26. We can offer 26 to Chicago to satisfy that trade, or take it if they aren't interested. But there is a danger, of losing our first Milwauki swap if the pick goes to the Bulls that year.

If the Blazers are targeting Egor, moving up to #8 would be good, and it would also clear out room in the rotation for him.

I think a 1st round pick for Simons is all most Blazer fans ever hoped for anyway.

[Wizenheimer]

Trade idea: the Nets have 4 first round draft picks and a bunch of cap space. They could absorb Simons.

Simons and #11 to NJ for their #8 #26. We can offer 26 to Chicago to satisfy that trade, or take it if they aren't interested. But there is a danger, of losing our first Milwauki swap if the pick goes to the Bulls that year.

If the Blazers are targeting Egor, moving up to #8 would be good, and it would also clear out room in the rotation for him.

I think a 1st round pick for Simons is all most Blazer fans ever hoped for anyway.

Nets drop 3 slots in the draft, and give up a 26th pick, just so they can pay Simons nearly 28M next season?

better chance of sending Simons to Orlando for 16 and sending 11 + 16 to Brooklyn for 8 + 26

[oldfishermen]

This info is pure speculation coming out of BYU insiders propaganda sources.

They claim the Nets have shown strong interest in Egor, and "may" pick him at #8.

Other teams showing strong interest.
Houston at #10
Blazers at #11
Spurs at #14
Also Washington with picks #6 + 18. #6 is probably to high. But if Egor slids to #18, Washington will grab him.

Despite Egors strong combine shooting display. I am not sold on him. One report claims he made 16 3P shots in a row. I want to see his improved shooting in a game. Plus he avoids contact. Many of his turn overs come after contact. Not sure he can handle bigger and stronger NBA players. He needs another year to gain weight and strength.

[red_power]

Despite Egors strong combine shooting display. I am not sold on him.

I guess shades of Monia and Khryapa are still haunting us.

[zzaj]

Despite Egors strong combine shooting display. I am not sold on him.

I guess shades of Monia and Khryapa are still haunting us.

It's certainly true that the Blazer NBA wake is littered with players like Sergei, Viktor, Claver, Layman, Hezonja...we can probably add Murray to that group.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Babbit

[Norm2953]

Carter Bryant seems like a natural fit with Portland for adding another defender to last years young
core will only help next years team win. Portland might get to .500 with Bryant

[Dame Lizard]

Carter Bryant seems like a natural fit with Portland for adding another defender to last years young
core will only help next years team win. Portland might get to .500 with Bryant

This is my hope.

[drsd]

Sweetening the pot a little for an old classic trade idea

Portland Trades
Ant Simons
#11

Orlando Trades
#16
#25
Players TBD

I know the unknown players is a big gap, but the new concept is the pick swap to facilitate the Ant trade. Maybe the Blazers could gain some additional Capitol, depending on the players they take back?

Magic fan here. I think it is a mistake for Orlando to keep either of its FRPs this year; and the Magic also has two SRPs.

From a Magic perspective, the lowest offer would be Cole Anthony and Jett Howard with the two FRPs for Simons. I see no reason for the Blazers #11 to be in this, unless Knueppel slides. There the Magic assets would probably need to include either Caldwell-Pope or Isaac with Anthony. But even then, I suspect Portland can get higher value for the #11.

In conclusion: I do hope GM Cronin trades Simons to Orlando.


p.s. the Magic cannot afford Ayton, so he will not be part of a putative trade.

[Wizenheimer]

Sweetening the pot a little for an old classic trade idea

Portland Trades
Ant Simons
#11

Orlando Trades
#16
#25
Players TBD

I know the unknown players is a big gap, but the new concept is the pick swap to facilitate the Ant trade. Maybe the Blazers could gain some additional Capitol, depending on the players they take back?

Magic fan here. I think it is a mistake for Orlando to keep either of its FRPs this year; and the Magic also has two SRPs.

From a Magic perspective, the lowest offer would be Cole Anthony and Jett Howard with the two FRPs for Simons. I see no reason for the Blazers #11 to be in this, unless Knueppel slides.

so then, you're suggesting Anthony + Howard + #16 + # 25 for Simons?

I'm not sure that's even a legal trade. IIRC the maximum differential on a trade that size is 7.5M. Simons is 25.9M.

12.9M (Cole) + 5.3M (Jett) + 7.5M = 25.7M....doesn't work. Orlando could add Corey Joseph to the trade but that would force the Blazers to waive 2 players. I'm assuming Orlando is already planning on waiving Harris and Joseph...they will need that cap relief. So substituting Harris for Howard could force Orlando into waiving Moritz Wagner? Maybe they were planning on that already?

Simons for Anthony + Harris + Houston + 16 + 25?

[DaVoiceMaster]

Sweetening the pot a little for an old classic trade idea

Portland Trades
Ant Simons
#11

Orlando Trades
#16
#25
Players TBD

I know the unknown players is a big gap, but the new concept is the pick swap to facilitate the Ant trade. Maybe the Blazers could gain some additional Capitol, depending on the players they take back?

Magic fan here. I think it is a mistake for Orlando to keep either of its FRPs this year; and the Magic also has two SRPs.

From a Magic perspective, the lowest offer would be Cole Anthony and Jett Howard with the two FRPs for Simons. I see no reason for the Blazers #11 to be in this, unless Knueppel slides. There the Magic assets would probably need to include either Caldwell-Pope or Isaac with Anthony. But even then, I suspect Portland can get higher value for the #11.

In conclusion: I do hope GM Cronin trades Simons to Orlando.


p.s. the Magic cannot afford Ayton, so he will not be part of a putative trade.

Don't think the salaries align. Anthony and Howard are nowhere near Simons salary. Maybe Kcp and Howard work. Maybe Isaac and Anthony would work, although i don't know the intricacies of the CBA. Isaac is a long-term contract that could be partially guaranteed ($8M per year I believe) but that still costs money.

[DusterBuster]

Sweetening the pot a little for an old classic trade idea

Portland Trades
Ant Simons
#11

Orlando Trades
#16
#25
Players TBD

I know the unknown players is a big gap, but the new concept is the pick swap to facilitate the Ant trade. Maybe the Blazers could gain some additional Capitol, depending on the players they take back?

There’s less than zero chance Cronin would do this.

[Tim Lehrbach]

If the Blazers pull a first round pick for Simons without taking on salary beyond this coming season, that would be a gigantic win by Cronin, and you'd hear no end to my praises.

[dckingsfan]

Sweetening the pot a little for an old classic trade idea

Portland Trades
Ant Simons
#11

Orlando Trades
#16
#25
Players TBD

I know the unknown players is a big gap, but the new concept is the pick swap to facilitate the Ant trade. Maybe the Blazers could gain some additional Capitol, depending on the players they take back?

Magic fan here. I think it is a mistake for Orlando to keep either of its FRPs this year; and the Magic also has two SRPs.

From a Magic perspective, the lowest offer would be Cole Anthony and Jett Howard with the two FRPs for Simons. I see no reason for the Blazers #11 to be in this, unless Knueppel slides.

so then, you're suggesting Anthony + Howard + #16 + # 25 for Simons?

I'm not sure that's even a legal trade. IIRC the maximum differential on a trade that size is 7.5M. Simons is 25.9M.

12.9M (Cole) + 5.3M (Jett) + 7.5M = 25.7M....doesn't work. Orlando could add Corey Joseph to the trade but that would force the Blazers to waive 2 players. I'm assuming Orlando is already planning on waiving Harris and Joseph...they will need that cap relief. So substituting Harris for Howard could force Orlando into waiving Moritz Wagner? Maybe they were planning on that already?

Simons for Anthony + Harris + Houston + 16 + 25?

"I think" Anthony, Howard and Da Silva would work. But you would then be adding our #1 and (I think, only one of #16 or #25).

My guess is you need to add a third team...

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont think Da Silva would be on the table in a Simons deal.

The simple play is Simons for KCP + 16. We get a pick slightly higher than Simons is worth (IMO) by taking on the extra year of KCP. And KCP brings on-court value to PDX as we are clearly trying to win games. Bringing KCP and Thybulle off the bench is pretty solid (I do worry that bringing in KCP w/ the extra year would make it foregone that Thybulle isnt resigned - and I dislike that as I would rather have MT than KCP for a few years - maybe we flip KCP at the trade DL).

I also dont think ORL would financially be interested in Simons w/o KCP going out.