Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd

[WargamesX]

I’d keep KAT if meant playing him next to Giannis. I’d get rid of the “Nova Bros”.

It’s not a surprise that the Pacers and Thunder are up 2-0. Their teams are just as balanced as their payroll. They’re not spending $100 million on three role players/false stars.

Overpaying role players is always risky. It can work, but you need efficiencies in other places on the roster. The Knicks really don’t have that since KAT’s deal offsets Brunson’s discount and Hart/OG offset Bridges being slightly below market value.

We should appreciate the season that we are having, but looking forward we have a flawed roster with a bloated payroll and no draft capital.

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

Are Nembhard and Nesmith being asked to hide two bad defenders in KAT and Brunson? I don’t think so. Mikal and OG aren’t the problem. Lowkey individually I don’t think KaT or Brunson is either. It’s when the two of them together on the floor that is the issue. A good defensive team can hide one bad defender, no way can they hide two. Don’t even get me started on how we really don’t have depth either we are asking Mikal and OG to play even more defensively than other teams because even if you sit one of Brunson or KAT down we still got to compensate for the other one.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

[TheGreenArrow]

I’d keep KAT if meant playing him next to Giannis. I’d get rid of the “Nova Bros”.

It’s not a surprise that the Pacers and Thunder are up 2-0. Their teams are just as balanced as their payroll. They’re not spending $100 million on three role players/false stars.

Overpaying role players is always risky. It can work, but you need efficiencies in other places on the roster. The Knicks really don’t have that since KAT’s deal offsets Brunson’s discount and Hart/OG offset Bridges being slightly below market value.

We should appreciate the season that we are having, but looking forward we have a flawed roster with a bloated payroll and no draft capital.

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

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[LookToShoot]

Overpaying role players is always risky. It can work, but you need efficiencies in other places on the roster. The Knicks really don’t have that since KAT’s deal offsets Brunson’s discount and Hart/OG offset Bridges being slightly below market value.

We should appreciate the season that we are having, but looking forward we have a flawed roster with a bloated payroll and no draft capital.

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

Are Nembhard and Nesmith being asked to hide two bad defenders in KAT and Brunson? I don’t think so. Mikal and OG aren’t the problem. Lowkey individually I don’t think KaT or Brunson is either. It’s when the two of them together on the floor that is the issue. A good defensive team can hide one bad defender, no way can they hide two. Don’t even get me started on how we really don’t have depth either we are asking Mikal and OG to play even more defensively than other teams because even if you sit one of Brunson or KAT down we still got to compensate for the other one.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

Depth is tied to money. Stop overpaying players.

[Richard4444]

Overpaying role players is always risky. It can work, but you need efficiencies in other places on the roster. The Knicks really don’t have that since KAT’s deal offsets Brunson’s discount and Hart/OG offset Bridges being slightly below market value.

We should appreciate the season that we are having, but looking forward we have a flawed roster with a bloated payroll and no draft capital.

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

I disagree.

First, I do not think we can get assets back by dealing KAT. Being a bad defender center, he is not in high demand. Besides, it's very hard to accommodate his high salary in the payroll because of the aprons.

Second, we need another center. We can not trust Mitch's health. We need another center that can be our starting center if (when) Mitch goes down. Huk is not an option.

Third, we need a second scorer. We can not expect Brunson hit 40 points every game. Especially in the regular season. I am not sure we can count on Mikal being this second threat. OG definitely cant be this guy.

Fourth, it would be good to have Hart on the bench. But it's not essential. Due to the fact that OG is a bad rebounder, we need the other starting forward to be a really good one. Besides, Hart is a good second playmaker especially in transition.

[WargamesX]

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

Are Nembhard and Nesmith being asked to hide two bad defenders in KAT and Brunson? I don’t think so. Mikal and OG aren’t the problem. Lowkey individually I don’t think KaT or Brunson is either. It’s when the two of them together on the floor that is the issue. A good defensive team can hide one bad defender, no way can they hide two. Don’t even get me started on how we really don’t have depth either we are asking Mikal and OG to play even more defensively than other teams because even if you sit one of Brunson or KAT down we still got to compensate for the other one.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

Depth is tied to money. Stop overpaying players.

KaT is the most overpaid player on the roster. Which is crazy because he is third team NBA, but his defense is so bad you can’t hide him & Brunson. Especially when KAT is playing the center and asked to defend.

[LookToShoot]

Overpaying role players is always risky. It can work, but you need efficiencies in other places on the roster. The Knicks really don’t have that since KAT’s deal offsets Brunson’s discount and Hart/OG offset Bridges being slightly below market value.

We should appreciate the season that we are having, but looking forward we have a flawed roster with a bloated payroll and no draft capital.

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

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Brunson Ball. How’s this any different from ISO Joe in Atlanta? You can see Hart getting annoyed with Brunson on the court.

[WargamesX]

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

I disagree.

First, I do not think we can get assets back by dealing KAT. Being a bad defender center, he is not in high demand. Besides, it's very hard to accommodate his high salary in the payroll because of the aprons.

Second, we need another center. We can not trust Mitch's health. We need another center that can be our starting center if (when) Mitch goes down. Huk is not an option.

Third, we need a second scorer. We can not expect Brunson hit 40 points every game. Especially in the regular season. I am not sure we can count on Mikal being this second threat. OG definitely cant be this guy.

Fourth, it would be good to have Hart on the bench. But it's not essential. Due to the fact that OG is a bad rebounder, we need the other starting forward to be a really good one. Besides, Hart is a good second playmaker especially in transition.

You should see the trade proposal I left on the prior page. It addresses all those issues.

Also KAT was third team NBA this season. That means he was a top 15 player. If ever they could trade him it would be now. I don’t think you can get a star for KAT, and even if we did it would probably be he same situation next year of them struggling with a weak bench. However, I do think they can fix the holes on the roster. KAT is good enough that teams will give good assets for him since they got to figure they can hide his defensive flaws.

[Richard4444]

I hate to post it, but the math adds up, and it’s the type of deal I think they would have to get for KAT if trading KAT is the decision they make because they don’t turn it around this series. Ideally they turn it around and they don’t have to trade him…. But

Knicks trade: KAT, Huk
Knicks get: Herb Jones, RJ Barrett, Yvissi Missi, Bos 2027 2nd rounder

Pelicans trade: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones, Yvissi Missi, 2026 Indy draft pick
Pelicans get: KAT, HUk,

Raptors trade: RJ Barrett,
Raptors get: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cory Joseph, Indiana 2026 first rounder (owned by Pelicans)

Magic trade: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cory Joseph, Bos 2027 2nd rounder
Magic get: CJ McCollum

Knicks do it for depth, RJ replaces Hart in the starting lineup and takes on KATs role as second option, Missi becomes Mitch’s back up, Herb jones adds another great player to the bench, they also get a 2nd rounder, and due to the cut salary get the non tax payer MLE.

Raptors do it to maximize on RJ value, they get better fitting piece around Barnes/Ingram/IQ in KCP, Carter is a good back up center, and a late first rounder.

Magic do it because they get the shooter they are rumored to want in CJ and streamline the roster.

Pelicans do it for a center who fits around Zion AND for a player who is talented enough Zion is no longer their best player and now tradeable

After this trade none of the teams are in the 1 st apron, and outside of the Magic none of the team are in the tax either meaning the Knicks can use the Non taxpayer MLE. Knicks use that money on Tyus Jones

Knicks roster:
Brunson/Tyus Jones
RJ/Mcbride
Bridges/Hart
OG/Herb Jones
Mitch/Missi

Knicks fix the bench, RJ isn’t KAT on scoring but he could be a legit second scorer, Missi behind Mitch means we have 48 minutes of defensive centers in at all times. A bench of McBride, Hart, and Jones give the Knicks plus defenders that can be slotted in with the starters. Tyus is a lesser Brunson but he can run an offense.

I don't see the Pelicans trading Jones and Missi to get KAT. This would weaken their defense too much and they are far away to be a contender to sacrifice their youth to get a vet such as KAT. A Zion/KAT frontcourt would be killer in the offense but a liability on the defensive end. Besides, I do not think they are sure about building a team around Zion because of his health. Probably, they will be aiming for younger players than KAT.

[TheGreenArrow]

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

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Brunson Ball. How’s this any different from ISO Joe in Atlanta? You can see Hart getting annoyed with Brunson on the court.

I find this ironic since Jhart is the main reason why the offense is soo bogged down and terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t guarding him because he **** sucks on offense and he’s afraid to shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe he should look in the **** mirror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for you to compare Brunson to iso Joe is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso Joe never lead his team to the ecf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was a first round exit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So again I ask you…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be better Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[R-DAWG]

Pacers’ best perimeter defenders, Nembhard and Nesmith, are making a combined $29 million next season. And they’re on their second contracts. OG and Bridges are making $65 million combined for similar duties and production.

I think what Brunson is getting paid is his value, I don’t consider it a discount. He was smart to take the money because he has limitations.

Are Nembhard and Nesmith being asked to hide two bad defenders in KAT and Brunson? I don’t think so. Mikal and OG aren’t the problem. Lowkey individually I don’t think KaT or Brunson is either. It’s when the two of them together on the floor that is the issue. A good defensive team can hide one bad defender, no way can they hide two. Don’t even get me started on how we really don’t have depth either we are asking Mikal and OG to play even more defensively than other teams because even if you sit one of Brunson or KAT down we still got to compensate for the other one.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

Depth is tied to money. Stop overpaying players.

Agreed - it’s not OG and Mikal as players but how they fit into the overall roster construction. The sum of the parts is more valuable than the whole. There simply isn't enough high end talent to overcome not having depth. Maybe if it was Giannis instead of KAT, or Shai instead of Brunson, it would be a different story.

If OG was making 30mm per we would have another rotation player on the roster. If Mikal was acquired for a 2024 1st and both 2025 picks we would have a rookie scale guy who could contribute (as opposed to Dadiet) and the ability to make trades going forward.

Frankly - we might not have made the KAT trade if we didn’t back ourselves into a corner with the Mikal trade which forced us to make a move with Randle's salary slot this year. And had we let OG go to market we could have gotten him on a better deal the way the Paul George thing played out.

Maybe we should talk about how bad that decision was to give OG a 5 year, basically max deal with a trade kicker, on draft night before letting the free agent market play out. We had one real threat for OG - Philadelphia - and we could have offered the 5th year if we needed to if that's how the negotiations played out (remember Philly could only offer a 4 year deal w 4.5% raises while we could offer 5 with 7.5% raises). Once George went to Philly there was no competition and we could have been looking at an OG deal more in line with Derrick White's 4 year, $118 MM deal than the 5 year, $205MM deal we sign. All these are residual moves of overpaying for Bridges, because at that point, you couldn't let OG walk.

It's piss poor front office work. With the GM's kid benefiting in the process.

[LookToShoot]

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Brunson Ball. How’s this any different from ISO Joe in Atlanta? You can see Hart getting annoyed with Brunson on the court.

I find this ironic since Jhart is the main reason why the offense is soo bogged down and terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t guarding him because he **** sucks on offense and he’s afraid to shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe he should look in the **** mirror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for you to compare Brunson to iso Joe is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso Joe never lead his team to the ecf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was a first round exit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So again I ask you…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be better Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke run to the ECF like the Jazz to the WCF in ‘07 (benefitted from GS upsetting Dallas) or the Grizzlies in ‘13 (benefitted from Beverly injuring Westbrook).

This team had problems since the start of the season. Their offense is dysfunctional, so they have to work twice as hard on the defensive end.

As far as I’m concerned, every player can be traded.

[WargamesX]

I hate to post it, but the math adds up, and it’s the type of deal I think they would have to get for KAT if trading KAT is the decision they make because they don’t turn it around this series. Ideally they turn it around and they don’t have to trade him…. But

Knicks trade: KAT, Huk
Knicks get: Herb Jones, RJ Barrett, Yvissi Missi, Bos 2027 2nd rounder

Pelicans trade: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones, Yvissi Missi, 2026 Indy draft pick
Pelicans get: KAT, HUk,

Raptors trade: RJ Barrett,
Raptors get: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cory Joseph, Indiana 2026 first rounder (owned by Pelicans)

Magic trade: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cory Joseph, Bos 2027 2nd rounder
Magic get: CJ McCollum

Knicks do it for depth, RJ replaces Hart in the starting lineup and takes on KATs role as second option, Missi becomes Mitch’s back up, Herb jones adds another great player to the bench, they also get a 2nd rounder, and due to the cut salary get the non tax payer MLE.

Raptors do it to maximize on RJ value, they get better fitting piece around Barnes/Ingram/IQ in KCP, Carter is a good back up center, and a late first rounder.

Magic do it because they get the shooter they are rumored to want in CJ and streamline the roster.

Pelicans do it for a center who fits around Zion AND for a player who is talented enough Zion is no longer their best player and now tradeable

After this trade none of the teams are in the 1 st apron, and outside of the Magic none of the team are in the tax either meaning the Knicks can use the Non taxpayer MLE. Knicks use that money on Tyus Jones

Knicks roster:
Brunson/Tyus Jones
RJ/Mcbride
Bridges/Hart
OG/Herb Jones
Mitch/Missi

Knicks fix the bench, RJ isn’t KAT on scoring but he could be a legit second scorer, Missi behind Mitch means we have 48 minutes of defensive centers in at all times. A bench of McBride, Hart, and Jones give the Knicks plus defenders that can be slotted in with the starters. Tyus is a lesser Brunson but he can run an offense.

I don't see the Pelicans trading Jones and Missi to get KAT. This would weaken their defense too much and they are far away to be a contender to sacrifice their youth to get a vet such as KAT. A Zion/KAT frontcourt would be killer in the offense but a liability on the defensive end. Besides, I do not think they are sure about building a team around Zion because of his health. Probably, they will be aiming for younger players than KAT.

I think they might be open to it because they been horrible and only won 21 games. Part of it was injuries, but they wasn’t looking great before the injuries happened. Also in my scenario they keep their best young players in Murphy and Zion and they keep the draft pick.

They been tied to Zion because he is their best player. With KAT there they can honestly see if they could trade him to build better around KAT and Murphy. If Dejuante comes back that is a KAT/Murphy/Dejuante trio they can build around.

I made a scenario that I thought fixed a lot an issues but I don’t think KAT is a bad player. He’s been to two conference finals in two years, and was 3rd team All NBA. There will be a market for him if the Knicks put him on the market. Honestly I think we would get more interest than the suns would get for KD.

[The KnicksFix]

I want Giannis, he’d instantly be our best player (in history) and he’s also one of the most likable guys in the league. It’s just… I would prefer getting him for free I love the team we have.

i would 100% trade KAT and McBride for him but I feel for that kind of offer it would have to be something where Giannis specifically asks to come to play here.

Giannis is locked for 2 years. The Bucks will not accept a much lower offer to make him happy.

I wouldn’t say he’s not coming to NY… that’s the one place he might want to play

[WargamesX]

Are Nembhard and Nesmith being asked to hide two bad defenders in KAT and Brunson? I don’t think so. Mikal and OG aren’t the problem. Lowkey individually I don’t think KaT or Brunson is either. It’s when the two of them together on the floor that is the issue. A good defensive team can hide one bad defender, no way can they hide two. Don’t even get me started on how we really don’t have depth either we are asking Mikal and OG to play even more defensively than other teams because even if you sit one of Brunson or KAT down we still got to compensate for the other one.

I think the Knicks got to move KAT to deal with the holes on the roster. We don’t got a back up center (Maybe Huk but we don’t know), we don’t got a second scorer (if we move KAT), we don’t got a back up PG, and lowkey we need someone talented enough to push Hart back on the bench.

Depth is tied to money. Stop overpaying players.

Agreed - it’s not OG and Mikal as players but how they fit into the overall roster construction. The sum of the parts is more valuable than the whole.

If OG was making 30mm per we would have another rotation player on the roster. If Mikal was acquired for a 2024 1st and both 2025 picks we would have a rookie scale guy who could contribute (as opposed to Dadiet) and the ability to make trades going forward.

Frankly - we might not have made the KAT trade if we didn’t back ourselves into a corner with the Mikal trade combined with Randles contract situation. And had we let OG go to market we could have gotten him on a better deal the way the Paul George thing played out.

Maybe we should talk about how bad that decision was. Giving OG significantly more than any other team could offer before the market played out. It’s a good thing Mr Overpay’s son isn’t his agent

I still don’t think Mikal and OG are that much of an overpay. The picks are vaporware and Thibs doesn’t play rookies. Mikal is a little underpaid and OG is a little overpaid.

The roster issues is Hart can’t shoot and he can’t drive to the basket if he is guarded by a center, AND KAT and Brunson are two defensive liabilities. Additionally the Knicks need a proven back up center, a prove back up PG, and some more forward depth.

There is not a player that exists that can fix all those issues by themselves but the Knicks can move KAT and attempt to fix all of those issues with other players.

[R-DAWG]

Depth is tied to money. Stop overpaying players.

Agreed - it’s not OG and Mikal as players but how they fit into the overall roster construction. The sum of the parts is more valuable than the whole.

If OG was making 30mm per we would have another rotation player on the roster. If Mikal was acquired for a 2024 1st and both 2025 picks we would have a rookie scale guy who could contribute (as opposed to Dadiet) and the ability to make trades going forward.

Frankly - we might not have made the KAT trade if we didn’t back ourselves into a corner with the Mikal trade combined with Randles contract situation. And had we let OG go to market we could have gotten him on a better deal the way the Paul George thing played out.

Maybe we should talk about how bad that decision was. Giving OG significantly more than any other team could offer before the market played out. It’s a good thing Mr Overpay’s son isn’t his agent

I still don’t think Mikal and OG are that much of an overpay. The picks are vaporware and Thibs doesn’t play rookies. Mikal is a little underpaid and OG is a little overpaid.

The roster issues is Hart can’t shoot and he can’t drive to the basket if he is guarded by a center, AND KAT and Brunson are two defensive liabilities. Additionally the Knicks need a proven back up center, a prove back up PG, and some more forward depth.

There is not a player that exists that can fix all those issues by themselves but the Knicks can move KAT and attempt to fix all of those issues with other players.

1) In a world where Derrick White is on a 4 year deal that averages $29.5MM per, OG Anunoby on a 5 year deal that averages $41MM per is more than a little overpaid. I would say it's a 25% overpay. It's an overpay you can work around being efficient elsewhere on your roster, which the Knicks are not.

2) We had yet to experience the effects on acquiring Bridges on a credit card. His going to get massively overpaid on his next contract (remember, were talking Leon Rose here who know nothing other than the sell low and buy high), it's going to lock the Knicks into the second apron, and don't control our draft in 4 out of the next 6 years. Beyond, beyond, beyond brutal.

[The KnicksFix]

Agreed - it’s not OG and Mikal as players but how they fit into the overall roster construction. The sum of the parts is more valuable than the whole.

If OG was making 30mm per we would have another rotation player on the roster. If Mikal was acquired for a 2024 1st and both 2025 picks we would have a rookie scale guy who could contribute (as opposed to Dadiet) and the ability to make trades going forward.

Frankly - we might not have made the KAT trade if we didn’t back ourselves into a corner with the Mikal trade combined with Randles contract situation. And had we let OG go to market we could have gotten him on a better deal the way the Paul George thing played out.

Maybe we should talk about how bad that decision was. Giving OG significantly more than any other team could offer before the market played out. It’s a good thing Mr Overpay’s son isn’t his agent

I still don’t think Mikal and OG are that much of an overpay. The picks are vaporware and Thibs doesn’t play rookies. Mikal is a little underpaid and OG is a little overpaid.

The roster issues is Hart can’t shoot and he can’t drive to the basket if he is guarded by a center, AND KAT and Brunson are two defensive liabilities. Additionally the Knicks need a proven back up center, a prove back up PG, and some more forward depth.

There is not a player that exists that can fix all those issues by themselves but the Knicks can move KAT and attempt to fix all of those issues with other players.

1) In a world where Derrick White is on a 4 year deal that averages $29.5MM per, OG Anunoby on a 5 year deal that averages $41MM per is more than a little overpaid. I would say it's a 25% overpay. It's an overpay you can work around being efficient elsewhere on your roster, which the Knicks are not.

2) We had yet to experience the effects on acquiring Bridges on a credit card. His going to get massively overpaid on his next contract (remember, were talking Leon Rose here who know nothing other than the sell low and buy high), it's going to lock the Knicks into the second apron, and don't control our draft in 4 out of the next 6 years. Beyond, beyond, beyond brutal.

Leon Rose has bought low and sold high
Mikal, whether you want to admit it or not, is a hell of a defensive player. He was worth the picks. The guy is playing damn near 45 minutes a night and proved his worth two series in a row before this. You have a coach who underutilizes him.

Come on bro

[WargamesX]

Agreed - it’s not OG and Mikal as players but how they fit into the overall roster construction. The sum of the parts is more valuable than the whole.

If OG was making 30mm per we would have another rotation player on the roster. If Mikal was acquired for a 2024 1st and both 2025 picks we would have a rookie scale guy who could contribute (as opposed to Dadiet) and the ability to make trades going forward.

Frankly - we might not have made the KAT trade if we didn’t back ourselves into a corner with the Mikal trade combined with Randles contract situation. And had we let OG go to market we could have gotten him on a better deal the way the Paul George thing played out.

Maybe we should talk about how bad that decision was. Giving OG significantly more than any other team could offer before the market played out. It’s a good thing Mr Overpay’s son isn’t his agent

I still don’t think Mikal and OG are that much of an overpay. The picks are vaporware and Thibs doesn’t play rookies. Mikal is a little underpaid and OG is a little overpaid.

The roster issues is Hart can’t shoot and he can’t drive to the basket if he is guarded by a center, AND KAT and Brunson are two defensive liabilities. Additionally the Knicks need a proven back up center, a prove back up PG, and some more forward depth.

There is not a player that exists that can fix all those issues by themselves but the Knicks can move KAT and attempt to fix all of those issues with other players.

1) In a world where Derrick White is on a 4 year deal that averages $29.5MM per, OG Anunoby on a 5 year deal that averages $41MM per is more than a little overpaid. I would say it's a 25% overpay. It's an overpay you can work around being efficient elsewhere on your roster, which the Knicks are not.

2) We had yet to experience the effects on acquiring Bridges on a credit card. His going to get massively overpaid on his next contract (remember, were talking Leon Rose here who know nothing other than the sell low and buy high), it's going to lock the Knicks into the second apron, and don't control our draft in 4 out of the next 6 years. Beyond, beyond, beyond brutal.

1) Fair enough on OG, though last series Derrick White got abused and hunted by Bridges and Brunson just like the Pacers did to KAT.

2) fair enough if they don’t turn this series around I think that is even more a reason to do a KAT trade sooner than later. If they do it right it will dip them below the first apron and maybe even the Luxury and then they can extend Mitch and Mikal knowing that by the time those extensions kick in the cap will be about 20-30 mil more than it is this season.

[KnixinSix]

i would 100% trade KAT and McBride for him but I feel for that kind of offer it would have to be something where Giannis specifically asks to come to play here.

Giannis is locked for 2 years. The Bucks will not accept a much lower offer to make him happy.

I wouldn’t say he’s not coming to NY… that’s the one place he might want to play

Its absolutely possible he might want to play with our squad

[Handledatruth]

Both guys you mentioned are better offensive options than Bridges and Anunoby.

I think OG has proven he can score being used as more than a catch and shoot guy. But the point is that he needs to be complimentary to what Brunson brings to the team. OG is complimentary on both the offense and defensive end. KAT is not.

Are we watching the same playoff games? OG hasn’t been consistent offensively since game 1 against Boston.

Again, we are asking him to catch and shoot or finish efficiently with limited touches. We play him like he is Klay Thompson and then get mad he doesn’t give Klay production. He can shoot but he’s not a shooter. He’s a guy you want to give touches in the post, on the block, or to initiate the offense. How do I know? Because that’s how Thibs used him when Brunson was hurt and he strung together consecutive 24+ point games. Hes not a lead dog, but he can easily be a Siakam. To me he’s our second best player.

[KnicksGadfly]

Brunson Ball. How’s this any different from ISO Joe in Atlanta? You can see Hart getting annoyed with Brunson on the court.

I find this ironic since Jhart is the main reason why the offense is soo bogged down and terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t guarding him because he **** sucks on offense and he’s afraid to shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So maybe he should look in the **** mirror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for you to compare Brunson to iso Joe is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso Joe never lead his team to the ecf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was a first round exit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So again I ask you…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be better Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke run to the ECF like the Jazz to the WCF in ‘07 (benefitted from GS upsetting Dallas) or the Grizzlies in ‘13 (benefitted from Beverly injuring Westbrook).

This team had problems since the start of the season. Their offense is dysfunctional, so they have to work twice as hard on the defensive end.

As far as I’m concerned, every player can be traded.

Who are you and why do you show up when the team’s losing?