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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#121 » by rmontro » Sat May 24, 2025 9:21 pm

jc23 wrote:man, when Clark hits a 3 there is just nothing like it outside of Curry. They feel like they count for more then 3 points.

Especially when she made that four point play. But there was that stretch going back to the last game where she was colder than ice water. Got to keep taking your shots though.
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Post#122 » by AI_Efficiency » Sat May 24, 2025 9:41 pm

Good learning experience for Clark. Respectfully, if I’m the coach I’m saying you absolutely cannot go foul hunting on the last shot like this. Felt like the difference between a player exaggerating contact and trying to score vs just trying to get a foul call. She needed to use Haliburton’s shot for inspiration. Win or lose, game needed to end with her getting a shot that at least gets rim.
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Post#123 » by rmontro » Sat May 24, 2025 10:10 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:Good learning experience for Clark. Respectfully, if I’m the coach I’m saying you absolutely cannot go foul hunting on the last shot like this. Felt like the difference between a player exaggerating contact and trying to score vs just trying to get a foul call. She needed to use Haliburton’s shot for inspiration. Win or lose, game needed to end with her getting a shot that at least gets rim.

My impression was the Liberty player (not sure who was guarding her) stole the ball from her, so she didn't really get a chance to take a shot. At that point, there wasn't much choice but hope for the foul.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#124 » by jc23 » Sat May 24, 2025 10:28 pm

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AI_Efficiency wrote:Good learning experience for Clark. Respectfully, if I’m the coach I’m saying you absolutely cannot go foul hunting on the last shot like this. Felt like the difference between a player exaggerating contact and trying to score vs just trying to get a foul call. She needed to use Haliburton’s shot for inspiration. Win or lose, game needed to end with her getting a shot that at least gets rim.

My impression was the Liberty player (not sure who was guarding her) stole the ball from her, so she didn't really get a chance to take a shot. At that point, there wasn't much choice but hope for the foul.


her hand was under her right arm and it looked like she swatted the ball while caitlin had the ball in her left. It wasnt the best play to get an open shot. Its so rare that CC gets an open shot that is created by other players.

good news is the Fever have 2 losses and they both easily could have been W's.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#125 » by Ice Man » Sun May 25, 2025 12:16 am

That felt like Game 1 of a new rivalry. Credit and blame on the final quarter. Credit to the Liberty for stepping it up like champs. Blame to the Fever, including Boston who had previously been great, for missing bunny after bunny. Painful that.

I have no idea how Bonner has ever scored even 1,000 points in this league, never mind being the 3rd leading scorer ever. In 4 games this season, she looks utterly devoid of offensive ability.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#126 » by jc23 » Sun May 25, 2025 2:06 am

Ice Man wrote:That felt like Game 1 of a new rivalry. Credit and blame on the final quarter. Credit to the Liberty for stepping it up like champs. Blame to the Fever, including Boston who had previously been great, for missing bunny after bunny. Painful that.

I have no idea how Bonner has ever scored even 1,000 points in this league, never mind being the 3rd leading scorer ever. In 4 games this season, she looks utterly devoid of offensive ability.


Fever got a rivalry with half the damn league already lol.

Ive asked what was Bonners strength is an offensive player to no answer. I agree she looks more like a specialist then a scorer.
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Post#127 » by sikma42 » Sun May 25, 2025 2:10 am

Have people never seen Bonner play before?

She’s not some great scorer at this point but she is very versatile and can score from all [emoji[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]] levels (but is streaky from what I’ve seen and not super efficient)


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Post#128 » by Ice Man » Sun May 25, 2025 2:48 am

sikma42 wrote:Have people never seen Bonner play before?


Only a bit in my case. Obviously, she once was a different player than she is today, because she's the 3rd leading scoring in league history.
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Post#129 » by rmontro » Sun May 25, 2025 3:04 am

Ice Man wrote:Obviously, she once was a different player than she is today, because she's the 3rd leading scoring in league history.

I get that she's older, but you shouldn't just forget how to make a layup. It's strange. Maybe she'll come around some, at least enough to contribute.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#130 » by Ice Man » Sun May 25, 2025 7:37 am

I am still getting used to the difficulty that WNBA players often have scoring at the rim, when under pressure. In the last 7 minutes of yesterday's game, Indy had the following missed shots, according to the official play-by-play. Only the last of those attempts was blocked.

Howard - 1 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Boston - 3 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Bonner - 1 ft
Bonner - 1 ft

Ummm, yep, that's how to lose a game down the stretch. I mean, yes credit is due to the LIberty's interior defenders, but come on now ... no team can win missing bunnies like that.
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Post#131 » by AI_Efficiency » Sun May 25, 2025 1:36 pm

Ice Man wrote:I am still getting used to the difficulty that WNBA players often have scoring at the rim, when under pressure. In the last 7 minutes of yesterday's game, Indy had the following missed shots, according to the official play-by-play. Only the last of those attempts was blocked.

Howard - 1 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Boston - 3 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Boston - 1 ft
Bonner - 1 ft
Bonner - 1 ft

Ummm, yep, that's how to lose a game down the stretch. I mean, yes credit is due to the LIberty's interior defenders, but come on now ... no team can win missing bunnies like that.

Also, Kelsey Mitchell missed a warm up layup line layup (dominant hand side too) early in the 4th that I worried at the time would come back to bite them. It looked like she was trying to get fancy and just used one hand going up. Every possession matters, can’t blow that.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#132 » by Ice Man » Sun May 25, 2025 2:03 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:Also, Kelsey Mitchell missed a warm up layup line layup (dominant hand side too) early in the 4th that I worried at the time would come back to bite them. It looked like she was trying to get fancy and just used one hand going up. Every possession matters, can’t blow that.


Yep. All of Indy's Big Three bottled it in the 4th. Mitchell went 1-5 in the quarter, Clark 1-4 plus the final turnover, and Boston had all those missed bunnies. Meanwhile, Jonquel kicked ass and took no prisoners. When the going got tough, the champs showed their pedigree.
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Post#133 » by rmontro » Sun May 25, 2025 5:55 pm

Ice Man wrote:Yep. All of Indy's Big Three bottled it in the 4th. Mitchell went 1-5 in the quarter, Clark 1-4 plus the final turnover, and Boston had all those missed bunnies. Meanwhile, Jonquel kicked ass and took no prisoners. When the going got tough, the champs showed their pedigree.

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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#134 » by jc23 » Mon May 26, 2025 5:28 pm

Read on Twitter


dang
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#135 » by rmontro » Mon May 26, 2025 7:41 pm

jc23 wrote:
Read on Twitter

dang

I read that this kind of injury can linger on for six months before fulling healing, so it could be a long year. Makes me think that maybe the sophomore jinx might be hitting Clark. In any case, it will be interesting to see how the Fever perform without her over the next few weeks. And if the fans still come out.
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Post#136 » by OriAr » Mon May 26, 2025 7:57 pm

jc23 wrote:
Read on Twitter


dang

Explains her shooting struggles.
She should take those few weeks out and recover that quad properly
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Post#137 » by Ice Man » Mon May 26, 2025 9:58 pm

Quad strains are likely hamstring pulls. You can come back in a couple of weeks if the strain is Grade 1, but if not it can take a lot longer. The Fever have not specified her Grade.

Me wonders if this is related to her publicized extra muscle. More muscle = more possibility of strains/pulls. Take it from me, a former track guy. We cross-country types NEVER pulled thigh muscles, but sprinters did ... a lot.
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Post#138 » by Green Chile » Mon May 26, 2025 10:30 pm

Ice Man wrote:Quad strains are likely hamstring pulls. You can come back in a couple of weeks if the strain is Grade 1, but if not it can take a lot longer. The Fever have not specified her Grade.

Me wonders if this is related to her publicized extra muscle. More muscle = more possibility of strains/pulls. Take it from me, a former track guy. We cross-country types NEVER pulled thigh muscles, but sprinters did ... a lot.


I'll be damned, but I never even considered that more muscle mass=more possibility for strains/pulls. Makes sense though.

She was held out of the 1st pre-season game because of the quad. At the time, I assumed it was because it was a pre-season game and the Iowa homecoming was the next day.

Hope she can get right quickly.
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Post#139 » by Ice Man » Mon May 26, 2025 11:10 pm

Well, I googled and my hypothesis appears to be wrong, as apparently more muscle mass is not related to pulls/strains. However, muscle imbalances are, meaning when one set of muscles (say quads) are stronger or weaker than another related set (say, hamstrings).

Thus, it would seem that imbalances from strengthening one muscle group more than another is the danger, not adding overall strength. As for what happened with Clark, shrug. It could be just coincidence.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#140 » by rmontro » Tue May 27, 2025 6:08 am

Ice Man wrote:Well, I googled and my hypothesis appears to be wrong, as apparently more muscle mass is not related to pulls/strains. However, muscle imbalances are, meaning when one set of muscles (say quads) are stronger or weaker than another related set (say, hamstrings).

I would think it is pretty easy to create an imbalance when you are trying to bulk muscle. Especially for something like quads, when you are encouraged to really pile on the weight for things like squats.

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