Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[Scase]

It's disingenuous to assert that my defense of fred is extreme. Think about all the false narratives that CONTINUE on this board that have been proven to be completely false.

The raptor beat writers were biased against scotty, Jack Armstrong was biased against scotty, Fred held scotty back, Pascal held scotty back, Nurse held scotty back, thaddeus young (yet another vet) was out of line for calling out scotty, we had no leaders, Fred is not a real point guard, Pascal is selfish, etc etc etc.

Ppl needed to make a laundry list of false claims just to maintain a pipe dream vision of what scotty was.

It could not be more clear, at this time, that all of those beliefs were the exact opposite of the truth. Scotty has been the problem. And the increased scrutiny is coming. Trust me. He's been treated with kid gloves up til now.

I'm kinda concerned....because of my prediction is correct and scotty's rep takes a huge hit next season....it's gonna significantly depreciate our most important asset.

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

[LoveMyRaps]

Hope he’s working on his game with some proper trainers.

[mdenny]

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Oh lol right. Fred vanvleet went from being Kyle's prodigy. Highly respected amongst all the vets across the league. Voted 6th in a player poll as "best teammate". Then for two seasons he became a sabotaging villain who had an agenda to hold back Barnes. Then reverted BACK to being a great teammate and veteran leader after signing with the rockets lol.

That sounds way more plausible than the simple explanation "scotty has maturity issues".

[Tripod]

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

[mdenny]

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Oh lol right. Fred vanvleet went from being Kyle's prodigy. Highly respected amongst all the vets across the league. Voted 6th in a player poll as "best teammate". Then for two seasons he became a sabotaging villain who had an agenda to hold back Barnes. Then reverted BACK to being a great teammate and veteran leader after signing with the rockets lol.

That sounds way more plausible than the simple explanation "scotty has maturity issues".

It's hilarious that you would use the phrase "come to terms with".

I don't have to "come to terms" on anything. The scotty cult is the one having to "come to terms". They were literally wrong about everything. As clearly obvious if anyone revisits the "fred has signed with rockets" thread.

I aint trying to embarass any individual specifically. But that 100 page thread is embarassing for this board as a whole.

[Scase]

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

Yep, feels like talking to a wall when it comes to denny and FVV, doesn't seem to be any willingness to concede that maybe it wasn't 100% fabricated and FVV is completely devoid of fault

[mdenny]

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

Yep, feels like talking to a wall when it comes to denny and FVV, doesn't seem to be any willingness to concede that maybe it wasn't 100% fabricated and FVV is completely devoid of fault

Fred didn't say he needed to be the #2 on-ball on ANY team. He 'implied' he needed to be #2 on-ball on THAT iteration of the raptors. And he was right. As all evidence since would prove.

If Pascal, Barnes, Fred were on the same team RIGHT NOW this would still be true.

You guys are scrambling to justify your crazy agendas from 2 years ago. You were wrong. Everything that happened since proves it. You were also the most vocal and passionate about your stance. So loud and wrong.

Fred is among the most traditional point guards in the entire league. Top 5 in the traditional point guard role. Fred is also top 5 in veteran players who dedicate themselves to the development of prospects.

You were wrong, wrong, wrong. Not only wrong....but actively propagating the exact opposite of the truth.

There is not a single person remotely attached to basketball as a sport who agrees with your ridiculous talking points regarding fred vanvleet. The only ppl who agree with you are loud social media fans.

[mdenny]

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

I don't know what you are talking about. Fred leads all rockets in ball possession while they attained the second seed in the west. He is the primary guy who runs their offense.

It begs the question....do you ever get tired of being wrong about Fred? You are acting like your point is correct because frd has played off ball for Houston.

FRED HAS NOT PLAYED OFF BALL IN HOUSTON lol.

He has played ON BALL. In fact...Fred has the ball more often in Houston than he did in his final season for the Raptors. So your last ditch attempt to save face is also wrong.

I don't know when the tipping point in your perception will occur. It's a case of denial for it to have not already happen. But you guys are looking more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

[MikeM]

Traded multiple better players because of this guy

No, that's not true. MU traded them too late and because their time in TO was done. Those multiple better players, you called them, got us a 41 wins season with a play in exit season and a 27 wins season. Wow, we were so good with them, so good that they cost us 100M$+ per year. This team had reached it's maximum. C'mon don't be such a whiny p****.

You're on drugs if you think Barnes will ever drop 40 on 20 shots in the ECF or Finals like Siakam has.

[Mikistan]

Are you able to possibly come to terms with the fact that what was said about FVV was accurate about his tenure here, and that he may have changed his mindset elsewhere?

There is a large difference in being the incumbent on the team, and things "always being this way" with a new high draft pick coming in as the "saviour" vs going to a completely new team where you are probably told at your contract signing/negoatiations, that your role is to mentor.

I would bet my last dollar that the expectation of FVV on the Rockets was VASTLY different than the inherited expectation of him here. It's not too wild of an assumption.

Different situation, different results. Take a look at Siakams play in IND as the #2 vs here as the #1m, he didn't magically learn how to shoot the 3 7% better, they just use him better/have a more complimentary roster.

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

I don't know what you are talking about. Fred leads all rockets in ball possession while they attained the second seed in the west. He is the primary guy who runs their offense.

It begs the question....do you ever get tired of being wrong about Fred? You are acting like your point is correct because frd has played off ball for Houston.

FRED HAS NOT PLAYED OFF BALL IN HOUSTON lol.

He has played ON BALL. In fact...Fred has the ball more often in Houston than he did in his final season for the Raptors. So your last ditch attempt to save face is also wrong.

I don't know when the tipping point in your perception will occur. It's a case of denial for it to have not already happen. But you guys are looking more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

Your posts are exhausting

[mdenny]

Fred litterly went on that media blitz his last season as a Rap and stated "I need to be a top 2 option and play on ball".

Yet in Houston, that hasn't been the case for the reasons you cited. Amazing what happens after getting 40 million and a complete new team, fans and strict coach.

Fred had too much ego and Nurse was the enabler because he knew he was leaving too. Toxic.

I don't know what you are talking about. Fred leads all rockets in ball possession while they attained the second seed in the west. He is the primary guy who runs their offense.

It begs the question....do you ever get tired of being wrong about Fred? You are acting like your point is correct because frd has played off ball for Houston.

FRED HAS NOT PLAYED OFF BALL IN HOUSTON lol.

He has played ON BALL. In fact...Fred has the ball more often in Houston than he did in his final season for the Raptors. So your last ditch attempt to save face is also wrong.

I don't know when the tipping point in your perception will occur. It's a case of denial for it to have not already happen. But you guys are looking more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

Your posts are exhausting

I love the highly selective post policing. Was it exhausting when there were 8 pages of fred hate posts after Game 1 of the rockets series?

There's like 30 or 40 dedicated Fred haters on this board and 1 guy who passionately defends him.

I know why I'm exhausting...ppl would prefer all their delusional takes proven wrong would fade quietly into the night. Yet if Fred had failed in Houston....it would be a ceaseless stomp-down festival.

I admit that I'm the biggest Fred fan on this board. But even ppl who held moderate views about him were called "Fred stans" because you guys formed a cult that literally undertook beliefs and perceptions that were opposite to the real world.

Fred has exceeded all expectations in Houston. The young players in Houston praise him for his leadership and guidance. These results are exhausting for his haters.

[TorontoBarneys]

Your posts are exhausting

If Fred has a million fans, then mdenny is one of them. If Fred has ten fans, then mdenny is one of them. If Fred has only one fan then that is mdenny. If Fred has no fans, then that means that mdenny is no longer on this earth. If the world is against Fred, then mdenny is against the world.

[AbC?]

Scottie cultists in absolute shambles

Pensare hivemand in total disarray

[mdenny]

Scottie cultists in absolute shambles

Pensare hivemand in total disarray

Ppl aren't even ready for the inverse of their craziness.

I praise scotty for his giant leap in team defense this year. It's like he became a sort of version of Charles Oakley on team defense this past season and that is a big accomplishment.

But imagine if he scores 30 points, 10 assists and 6 rebounds.....and someone here says "HE IS STAT-PADDING".

They're not ready for the exact same insane criticisms that they put on Pascal and Fred.

Kinda hilarious that scotty isn't talented enough to even be accused of stat-padding lol. Scotty isn't at the level necessary to pad his stats lol.

[Mikistan]

Official scottie Barnes thread, reading about pascal and Fred nonstop


Curious how the mods would ban FVV bashes but here we have this guy going off and mods are absent

[mdenny]

Official scottie Barnes thread, reading about pascal and Fred nonstop


Curious how the mods would ban FVV bashes but here we have this guy going off and mods are absent

They are clearly inexplicably tied.

The whole Barnes narrative was that Fred was selfish, not a real point guard. Pascal was selfish, should concede possessions to Barnes.

As much as you'd like to downplay that history....the performances of fred and pascal on their new teams is relevant in context of Barnes development. (Or lack thereof)

[mdenny]

Hope he’s working on his game with some proper trainers.

Scotty's trainer doing an interview with the most toxic raptor social media figure was VERY VERY bad news.

How could you be cool with your personal trainer interacting with a guy like messiah? A good teammate wouldn't allow for that to happen amongst his staff and I have a hard time believing Scott Barnes wasn't aware of the context.

[Scase]

Official scottie Barnes thread, reading about pascal and Fred nonstop


Curious how the mods would ban FVV bashes but here we have this guy going off and mods are absent

Negativity is a no no even if the whole thread is based off of that, the recent grange one where people are chastised for "not letting Masais moves go". But completely derailing a thread that has a hyper specific topic, that's just peachy keen.

[tsherkin]

It is certainly true that we should return to speaking of Scottie, and let go of whatever this is about FVV.

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot to say about Scottie at the moment which hasn't already been said, which doesn't leave a lot of inspiration for new discussion around Barnes. We've all heard the positions from both sides, and now we just have to wait and see how the season goes... which, unfortunately, is months and months away.

But there are at least a bunch of environmental changes coming and some opportunities to make his life easier, so there's some hope there for us to cling to in the meantime. We could use some positivity in this moment, I suppose. We're not even in the real off-season for the league as a whole, as the playoffs are still ongoing, but it feels like we are in the dog days of summer already, hehe.

[Mattatron]

Traded multiple better players because of this guy

No, that's not true. MU traded them too late and because their time in TO was done. Those multiple better players, you called them, got us a 41 wins season with a play in exit season and a 27 wins season. Wow, we were so good with them, so good that they cost us 100M$+ per year. This team had reached it's maximum. C'mon don't be such a whiny p****.

You're on drugs if you think Barnes will ever drop 40 on 20 shots in the ECF or Finals like Siakam has.

Huhu I didn't say that !?

And look at Pascal's scoring, lmao, he dropped 40p one time. The last 10 Games he scored 17 p several times, 21 points, 18 p, 10 p and 12p.

Jeez you acting like he's MJ. He's averaging just 20p, without his 40p game he would be around 18ppg. In what world is he much better ? 10point games and 17p games as a 2nd option ? Gtfoh