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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#241 » by JCP11 » Sun May 25, 2025 3:36 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:The similarities between Cedric's and JDub's games, measurements, both played almost same amount of college games (72,84jwill) and how they rose up the draft boards is actually pretty interesting

if we do pick Cedric, you can only hope his impact will be close to what JDub is doing in the NBA

Cedric is a better shooter than JWill coming out but JWill is a better ball handler and self creator. Cedric needs to work on that handle more than anything else if he wants to be on JWills level
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#242 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun May 25, 2025 3:38 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:The similarities between Cedric's and JDub's games, measurements, both played almost same amount of college games (72,84jwill) and how they rose up the draft boards is actually pretty interesting

if we do pick Cedric, you can only hope his impact will be close to what JDub is doing in the NBA

Cedric is a better shooter than JWill coming out but JWill is a better ball handler and self creator. Cedric needs to work on that handle more than anything else if he wants to be on JWills level

ya his handle is weak
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#243 » by SpezNc » Sun May 25, 2025 3:47 pm

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CoinTossRoss31 wrote:Jase/Coward/Flemming/Bryant

Unless we are in love with one of them I would love to roll the dice and see whos still there if we traded down to say 13 + 22 from ATL


I don't think you'd get that deal for just #9.

Would you throw in Dick?

#9 + Dick seems reasonable for #13 + #22

Then you'd still be able to land one of Maluach/Essengue/Queen/Bryant/Richardson. We'd probably have a choice of 2 of these 5 at #13.

Plus one of Sorber/Traore/Berringer/Wolf/Flemming/Clayton/Penda. We'd probably have a choice of 3 of these 7 at #22.

I could feel good about any of those five players at #13, and flipping Dick and a four spot drop for #22, would help us take a player to better balance our roster.


I don’t think Gradey going be traded although sometimes surprises happens.

Also. I don’t think that 9 + Gradey for 13+22 is reasonable either.

9 > 13
Gradey > 22

I would think a more reasonable deal (without Gradey) would be :

9 for 16 + 25 + 46 but I am not sure raptors would wants that much picks
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#244 » by Tripod » Sun May 25, 2025 4:19 pm

It really is crazy how much we under rate our own guys in favour of the mystery boxes
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Post#245 » by RoteSchroder » Sun May 25, 2025 4:26 pm

Tripod wrote:It really is crazy how much we under rate our own guys in favour of the mystery boxes


Dick as is, is unplayable on a contending team. So he’s also a mystery box on whether he can get to a good level defensively and attain some shooting consistency.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#246 » by Rapsfan07 » Sun May 25, 2025 4:27 pm

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CoinTossRoss31 wrote:Jase/Coward/Flemming/Bryant

Unless we are in love with one of them I would love to roll the dice and see whos still there if we traded down to say 13 + 22 from ATL


I don't think you'd get that deal for just #9.

Would you throw in Dick?

#9 + Dick seems reasonable for #13 + #22

Then you'd still be able to land one of Maluach/Essengue/Queen/Bryant/Richardson. We'd probably have a choice of 2 of these 5 at #13.

Plus one of Sorber/Traore/Berringer/Wolf/Flemming/Clayton/Penda. We'd probably have a choice of 3 of these 7 at #22.

I could feel good about any of those five players at #13, and flipping Dick and a four spot drop for #22, would help us take a player to better balance our roster.


Why would we be adding Dick for the privilege of moving down in the draft?
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Post#247 » by TNRaps4life » Sun May 25, 2025 5:01 pm

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Post#248 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun May 25, 2025 5:18 pm

Biggest reason I’m on the trade Gradey wave is because he’s up for extension and if that number is any where near 15-20 million a year then he’s a lot less tradeable.
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Post#249 » by HangTime » Sun May 25, 2025 5:25 pm

I wonder what the highest draft pick we could get, straight up, for Gradey.

Or for RJ, by taking on equivalent salary.
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Post#251 » by Spida888 » Sun May 25, 2025 6:11 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Biggest reason I’m on the trade Gradey wave is because he’s up for extension and if that number is any where near 15-20 million a year then he’s a lot less tradeable.

If I'm not mistaken, he's extension eligible after his 3rd year, so after next season. They still got some time to figure out what to do with him.
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Post#252 » by M3tro » Sun May 25, 2025 6:40 pm

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earthtone wrote:We have three 20+ PPG scorers (if you round up Scottie’s 19.9), IQ who averaged 21 per 36, Jak who averaged ~15, and Gradey who averaged 14.

I don’t think we should pass on a dynamic scorer if they’re the BPA, but it’s definitely not the most pressing need imo


Scottie and IQ are not who I would consider dynamic scorers. Their averages are higher on a team that accomplished nothing, so I'm expecting they dip when we have a more talented offensive pecking order.

and the expectation for the number 9 pick to come in and supplant Scottie & IQ in the pecking order?


Nothing happens overnight.

But someone with offensive potential should be the goal.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#253 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun May 25, 2025 6:42 pm

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UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Biggest reason I’m on the trade Gradey wave is because he’s up for extension and if that number is any where near 15-20 million a year then he’s a lot less tradeable.

If I'm not mistaken, he's extension eligible after his 3rd year, so after next season. They still got some time to figure out what to do with him.

we kind of need to know now whether we intend to pay to bring him back. If you ride it out till next year, he loses a ton of trade value, especially considering the minutes crunch he will likely see with Ingram joining the team, and RJ still currently being here. If you're going to deal him, now is the right time to do it.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#254 » by Grew » Sun May 25, 2025 7:14 pm

Gradey would go top 10 in a redraft of his class. Trading him for 16 is asinine.
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Post#255 » by ciueli » Sun May 25, 2025 7:16 pm

Tripod wrote:It really is crazy how much we under rate our own guys in favour of the mystery boxes


There are good reasons for it though.

- Mystery boxes can sometimes turn into stars out of nowhere, there are a number of times this has happened, we pretty much know at this point that our prospects aren't going to suddenly become stars because we've seen them play. Sometimes teams get really lucky like when we drafted Pascal at 27, I doubt anyone expected him to be a multi-time All-NBA level player but it happened.

- Picks are easier to trade than players due to the salary cap rules. Basically draft picks are the currency of the league and every team covets them for this reason, even if they're not using them to add players to their own roster they can be exchanged easily in other deals. It's much harder to make favourable deals where you trade a worse player for a better one without picks to throw in as a sweetener.

- Players are limited time assets that have to be paid properly eventually. Players on rookie contracts are valuable, but even a player like Gradey Dick who is only two years in and still developing will have to be paid soon so there is only a couple of more years before put up or shut up time.

- Picks have a flexibility that a player doesn't, a pick could be a player at any position depending on team need and players available at that pick, a player is exactly what they are, Gradey Dick can't suddenly turn into a defensive rebounding C or stretch PF.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#256 » by SpezNc » Sun May 25, 2025 7:17 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Biggest reason I’m on the trade Gradey wave is because he’s up for extension and if that number is any where near 15-20 million a year then he’s a lot less tradeable.


Yes. This is IMHO the main argument favouring a Gradey’s trade.

Still there is two years before the extension kick in.

Therefore I do not think that argument is strong enough to pull the trigger on a trade and I still believe that the organization has no plan to trade him.

If Raptors draft a Knueppel, Tre Johnson or Coward at #9, I may revisit my position but right now I am strongly in the “Keep Gradey” camp.
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Post#257 » by Yallbecrazy » Sun May 25, 2025 7:17 pm

Grew wrote:Gradey would go top 10 in a redraft of his class. Trading him for 16 is asinine.



Someone who goes 10th in a redraft is worth less than the 10th pick.

I'm saying nothing of whether to trade Gradey by my above comment.

Depending on the draft probably only guys that go top 5 in a redraft have value that is above a lottery pick and the guy who goes #1 in a redraft is probably worth at least 5 high end lottery picks.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#258 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun May 25, 2025 7:51 pm

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earthtone wrote:We have three 20+ PPG scorers (if you round up Scottie’s 19.9), IQ who averaged 21 per 36, Jak who averaged ~15, and Gradey who averaged 14.

I don’t think we should pass on a dynamic scorer if they’re the BPA, but it’s definitely not the most pressing need imo


With a high end draft pick you go with dynamic kinda scorers as long as they are not horrible on defense.....3&D kinda role players are always available in the later parts of drafts and also easier to add via trade if you need one...

If Masai thinks one of the guys at 9 has dynamic scoring upside i think that should be the more important trait high up in the draft...


I am against this philosophy, at this point in college, pretty much all dynamic scorer suck at defense because they haven't play defense in their life. The unicorns that can do both go top 3-5. So is the dynamic scorer always the best player? History is full of dynamic scorers whose team fell in love with the empty scoring and set them back YEARS trying to make it work.


Id rather grab Jase/Coward for example than a Bryant/Noa.....Because Jase/Coward both show they can get their own shots....But also hold their own on D....Thats what i mean when i say go for the players that show flashes they can be LEGIT two way players rather than a utility player...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#259 » by DonDoolie » Sun May 25, 2025 8:24 pm

Grew wrote:Gradey would go top 10 in a redraft of his class. Trading him for 16 is asinine.

No the **** he wouldn't go top 10 what are you smoking?

Wemby
Miller
Scoot
Amen
Asur
George
GG jackson
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Podz
Wallace
Bilal

List is not in order thats just off the top of my head. No shot he goes over any of these guys in a redraft right now. Maybe if things change next year but right now absolutely ZERO chance.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#260 » by Grew » Sun May 25, 2025 8:36 pm

DonDoolie wrote:
Grew wrote:Gradey would go top 10 in a redraft of his class. Trading him for 16 is asinine.

No the **** he wouldn't go top 10 what are you smoking?

Wemby
Miller
Scoot
Amen
Asur
George
GG jackson
Lively
Podz
Wallace
Bilal

List is not in order thats just off the top of my head. No shot he goes over any of these guys in a redraft right now. Maybe if things change next year but right now absolutely ZERO chance.


GG jackson and Keyonte George? And I'm smoking? Stop.
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