Varsho/Moreno/Kirk Discussion Thread

[Fairview4Life]

And still outhitting Gabriel Moreno this year. Weird.

[brwnman]

.195avg with a .215OBP

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.263avg with a .329OBP

Outhitting is definitely one way to put it. I also like my hitters to get on base less, and hit for a lesser average.

Can’t wait to hear about how his 58 homer pace is sustainable, and that’s why he’s the better hitter.

[Randle McMurphy]

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[Fairview4Life]

.195avg with a .215OBP

vs

.263avg with a .329OBP

Outhitting is definitely one way to put it. I also like my hitters to get on base less, and hit for a lesser average.

Can’t wait to hear about how his 58 homer pace is sustainable, and that’s why he’s the better hitter.

He is out slugging him by a significant amount, yes. That is how he has been outhitting him this year. I am glad you actually understand that point and are just disingenuously jerking it to batting average for silly internet argument reasons

Your favourite hitter is hitting one more single every 10 at bats. Varsho has been hitting the ball out of the ball park. You can dismiss it as unsustainable all you want, but it doesn’t change the results so far this year.

[Fairview4Life]

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Best defensive player in baseball.

[brwnman]

.195avg with a .215OBP

vs

.263avg with a .329OBP

Outhitting is definitely one way to put it. I also like my hitters to get on base less, and hit for a lesser average.

Can’t wait to hear about how his 58 homer pace is sustainable, and that’s why he’s the better hitter.

He is out slugging him by a significant amount, yes. That is how he has been outhitting him this year. I am glad you actually understand that point and are just disingenuously jerking it to batting average for silly internet argument reasons

Your favourite hitter is hitting one more single every 10 at bats. Varsho has been hitting the ball out of the ball park. You can dismiss it as unsustainable all you want, but it doesn’t change the results so far this year.

103 wRC+ for Moreno vs 98 for Varsho when you made your comment. You’re wrong and you’re the one being disingenuous if you thought his slugging was sustainable. His HR rate has already gone down from 1HR/8AB to every 14 at bats.

Moreno outhit Varsho in 2023 and 2024. And is now outhitting him in 2025. While I like the use of advanced stats, traditional stats aren’t exactly useless.

P.S. - almost all of my posts are really just to troll Randle at this point. We’ve all made our points about this trade about a billion times, no one’s changing their mind unless something dramatic happens.

[Fairview4Life]

I didn’t say it was sustainable I said to date. Up until now. The slugging is more important the the extra single every 10 at bats.

[brwnman]

Are you still saying he’s outhitting Moreno? Even after wRC+ doesn’t support your claim? To date, Moreno is outhitting Varsho. By traditional and advanced stats.

[s e n s i]

remember folks, this was the worst trade in baseball history and the mold for gabby moreno’s cooperstown plaque had already been created by half this board and other folks that love to huff their own farts like arash madani. these same imbeciles have now forced themselves to root against a really good player on the team they supposedly support — basing their entire realgm identity around this. incredibly sad and pathetic.

[johanliebert]

remember folks, this was the worst trade in baseball history and the mold for gabby moreno’s cooperstown plaque had already been created by half this board and other folks that love to huff their own farts like arash madani. these same imbeciles have now forced themselves to root against a really good player on the team they supposedly support — basing their entire realgm identity around this. incredibly sad and pathetic.

That's a gross exaggeration. This is more about the team not being able to generate runs for 2 years, this Varsho move was about defence first. Fans don't have to like a guy who again is batting under .200 with 26 strikeouts in 19 games.

[brwnman]

remember folks, this was the worst trade in baseball history and the mold for gabby moreno’s cooperstown plaque had already been created by half this board and other folks that love to huff their own farts like arash madani. these same imbeciles have now forced themselves to root against a really good player on the team they supposedly support — basing their entire realgm identity around this. incredibly sad and pathetic.

That's a gross exaggeration. This is more about the team not being able to generate runs for 2 years, this Varsho move was about defence first. Fans don't have to like a guy who again is batting under .200 with 26 strikeouts in 19 games.

I don't even think the move was about defense first. I don't even think the Jays expected Varsho to be this good defensively. They did believe they were getting an upgrade on defense along with a guy who will replace and improve the offense. That's where he has fallen short. His offense has been subpar and with the Jays not being a good offensive team, the frustration has rightfully exasperated the fans because it was a huge opportunity to improve the team and it didn't happen.

[Randle McMurphy]

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Another HR to maintain his team lead, this time off the best pitcher in baseball. He'd be on a 60 HR pace if he wasn't injured for the first month of the season.

[PowerPlant1]

remember folks, this was the worst trade in baseball history and the mold for gabby moreno’s cooperstown plaque had already been created by half this board and other folks that love to huff their own farts like arash madani. these same imbeciles have now forced themselves to root against a really good player on the team they supposedly support — basing their entire realgm identity around this. incredibly sad and pathetic.

That's a gross exaggeration. This is more about the team not being able to generate runs for 2 years, this Varsho move was about defence first. Fans don't have to like a guy who again is batting under .200 with 26 strikeouts in 19 games.

I don't even think the move was about defense first. I don't even think the Jays expected Varsho to be this good defensively. They did believe they were getting an upgrade on defense along with a guy who will replace and improve the offense. That's where he has fallen short. His offense has been subpar and with the Jays not being a good offensive team, the frustration has rightfully exasperated the fans because it was a huge opportunity to improve the team and it didn't happen.

The Varsho move was a defense first move (with some offense expected). The Jays fell apart defensively against Seattle in the WC so it had to be about that. Unfortunately, it was done AFTER trading teoscar hernandez so it overcompensated way too much. And it continued with moves like Paul De Jong who hit close to 0 and Andres Gimenez for the 2nd best hitter on the team last season as well as keeping Kirk who looked like he didn't have a prayer offensively.

Anyway, unless something has fundamentally changed, there is no way Varsho is going to sustain this production. OPS around 850 while batting 214 ish with an OBP of 235. He has 3BB and 1 SB in 75 at bats because he barely gets on base and yet baserunning was supposed to be a part of the package. He's feast or famine which of course I'd love for an entire season but it suggests that the famines will start to outnumber the feasts.

Past two seasons were OPS of 674 and 700 so yes, more famine than feast if that trend continues.

[Randle McMurphy]

Varsho's ISO (.390) so far this season would rank 1st for any qualified hitter in baseball history, above Babe Ruth (.348), Josh Gibson (.346), Mark McGwire (.325), Aaron Judge (.319), and Barry Bonds (.309). True power.

[brwnman]

My goodness… that baserunning error that cost the Jays a run and the 4 men LOB. Thankfully, we got a gem pitched by Gausman. 9 for his last 41 .. and got his week’s worth of hits in one game. In for a rough rest of the week.

[Randle McMurphy]

MVP Varsho up to a 124 wRC+ on the season after his near-cycle game today and is 4th on the team in WAR in about 30 less games than all of the other regular starters. Barring health, he's going to be the most valuable player on the team again by a wide margin.

What a trade.

[Randle McMurphy]

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This is akin to what Roy Halladay used to do for the Ricciardi-era Jays. Stops losing streaks.

[s e n s i]

remember folks, this was the worst trade in baseball history and the mold for gabby moreno’s cooperstown plaque had already been created by half this board and other folks that love to huff their own farts like arash madani. these same imbeciles have now forced themselves to root against a really good player on the team they supposedly support — basing their entire realgm identity around this. incredibly sad and pathetic.

That's a gross exaggeration. This is more about the team not being able to generate runs for 2 years, this Varsho move was about defence first. Fans don't have to like a guy who again is batting under .200 with 26 strikeouts in 19 games.

which part is a gross exaggeration? that people hilariously called him a hall of famer after a 3 week hot streak or that there are people who actively root for varsho to suck? because this thread has several examples of both, that is if these clowns actually have a spine and haven’t edited/deleted said posts by now.

[s e n s i]

I’m afraid johnny absolutely cooked with this tweet

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[s e n s i]

the best defender in baseball on any given day who is also about to mash 30 bombs and we still have folks here — in the year 2025 — glazing gabbie moreno. make it make sense.