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OT - Pascal is the First Scoring Option on a Contender - Apologize To Pascal

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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#161 » by Tripod » Mon May 26, 2025 3:19 am

ishoy123 wrote:
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Scase wrote:How, they are essentially the same player, except old Siakam actually played defence and BI is marginally better at 3.

And if anything, the composition of the team makes it look like Siakam may never actually have been that bad of a 3 point shooter. So I fail to see how having a younger, worse, and more injured version of Siakam, that didn't work before, will work much better now.

The team still has the same deficiencies.


Both BI and PS were drafted in 2016. In 9 seasons, BI avg 19/5/5 on 47% FG & 36% 3PT and PS avg 18/7/4 on 50% FG & 34% 3PT. BI takes more 3's but only marginally more effective at making them (36% vs. 34%) over their careers. The biggest different since draft day has been in games played where PS has played a whopping 134 more games highlighting serious concerns of BI's health.

I agree BI is a better fit for Scottie but neither BI nor PS are first options, so we have the same problem as before. If PS/FVV/OG with SB were not good enough to contend, then I don't see BI/RJ/IQ with SB as being much better taking into account both group's offense & defense.

In this light, it seems we've largely just rearranged the deck chairs of a ship that Udoka once said was a "mid-level" team with a "5-seed ceiling." We're slightly younger but about equal in terms of # of seasons played such that we shouldn't expect any one of them to have a breakout season.

Overall, short of finding a true #1 option like Kawhi, I did not see a path to becoming a championship contender with PS et al, and that view is the same with BI et al, or maybe even less so if BI is always injured as has been his usual.


You never know what is the actual ceiling of a good team. There was not a single analyst or pundit who put Indiana as a potential finals contender with Haliburton and Siakam as a core.

Exactly.

And yeah, luck always matters along the way too.

But we are just starting our rise back up. This is far from the finished product.

People forget the Raps traded for Serge without ever having that #1 option in place. But Masai was just trying to continually upgrade. Let's see if/what happens this offseason.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#162 » by canada_dry » Mon May 26, 2025 3:40 am

"Pascals not clutch"

Yet he's the only one that did anything in the 4th here in game 3.

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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#163 » by HangTime » Mon May 26, 2025 4:27 am

canada_dry wrote:"Pascals not clutch"

Yet he's the only one that did anything in the 4th here in game 3.

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I think that's the key for the Knicks this series. When Pascal gets the ball, don't give him a reason to want to pass it.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#164 » by ontnut » Mon May 26, 2025 4:39 am

FWIW, Pascal was a game worst -21 tonight.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#165 » by Scase » Mon May 26, 2025 4:53 am

ontnut wrote:FWIW, Pascal was a game worst -21 tonight.

Doesnt sound like an apology to me smdh
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#166 » by NinjaBro » Mon May 26, 2025 5:02 am

ontnut wrote:FWIW, Pascal was a game worst -21 tonight.
We will have none of that here.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#167 » by metafisical » Mon May 26, 2025 5:35 am

Apologize to him for what? What did the fans do to him? I don't recall us doing anything to him.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#168 » by Westside Gunn » Mon May 26, 2025 10:10 am

metafisical wrote:Apologize to him for what? What did the fans do to him? I don't recall us doing anything to him.


We were pretty damn Harsh to him in his last 1-2 seasons here
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#169 » by God Squad » Mon May 26, 2025 2:36 pm

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metafisical wrote:Apologize to him for what? What did the fans do to him? I don't recall us doing anything to him.


We were pretty damn Harsh to him in his last 1-2 seasons here

Am I remembering a different timeline? We love OG/Pascal, it was Fred who got the hate/heat.

I stand by Pacal being a bad 1st option for a championship team.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#170 » by Fairview4Life » Mon May 26, 2025 2:44 pm

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metafisical wrote:Apologize to him for what? What did the fans do to him? I don't recall us doing anything to him.


We were pretty damn Harsh to him in his last 1-2 seasons here

Am I remembering a different timeline? We love OG/Pascal, it was Fred who got the hate/heat.

I stand by Pacal being a bad 1st option for a championship team.


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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#171 » by YogurtProducer » Mon May 26, 2025 2:51 pm

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Westside Gunn wrote:
metafisical wrote:Apologize to him for what? What did the fans do to him? I don't recall us doing anything to him.


We were pretty damn Harsh to him in his last 1-2 seasons here

Am I remembering a different timeline? We love OG/Pascal, it was Fred who got the hate/heat.

I stand by Pacal being a bad 1st option for a championship team.

There were plenty of posters on here that hated on them all equally.

You know who they are because they still **** on them in threads like this
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#172 » by arbsn » Mon May 26, 2025 3:19 pm

Shocking that all we could get was Bruce Brown and a crappy 1st for a top 30 player!

Siakam's perceived value in the NBA was that of a top 50-60 player but in reality hes much better than that.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#173 » by YogurtProducer » Mon May 26, 2025 4:06 pm

arbsn wrote:Shocking that all we could get was Bruce Brown and a crappy 1st for a top 30 player!

Siakam's perceived value in the NBA was that of a top 50-60 player but in reality hes much better than that.

Well we got 3 first round picks, not one lol
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#174 » by Duffman100 » Mon May 26, 2025 4:48 pm

arbsn wrote:Shocking that all we could get was Bruce Brown and a crappy 1st for a top 30 player!

Siakam's perceived value in the NBA was that of a top 50-60 player but in reality hes much better than that.


Huh?

We got a 1st we dealt for Ochai.
We got a 1st that where drafted Walter
We got a 1st that we traded for Ingram.

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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#175 » by Duffman100 » Mon May 26, 2025 4:51 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Westside Gunn wrote:
We were pretty damn Harsh to him in his last 1-2 seasons here

Am I remembering a different timeline? We love OG/Pascal, it was Fred who got the hate/heat.

I stand by Pacal being a bad 1st option for a championship team.

There were plenty of posters on here that hated on them all equally.

You know who they are because they still **** on them in threads like this


Yeah as Fred left, the hate randomly got passed on to Pascal. Because he was "holding Scottie back".
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#176 » by God Squad » Mon May 26, 2025 4:59 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
God Squad wrote:Am I remembering a different timeline? We love OG/Pascal, it was Fred who got the hate/heat.

I stand by Pacal being a bad 1st option for a championship team.

There were plenty of posters on here that hated on them all equally.

You know who they are because they still **** on them in threads like this


Yeah as Fred left, the hate randomly got passed on to Pascal. Because he was "holding Scottie back".

Ah okay. IMO that was less " I hate this guy, get off my team" and more he's not a good first option, and we've reached our ceiling. But you'd know, you dealt with it daily.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#177 » by Anticon » Mon May 26, 2025 5:03 pm

Pascal with a stretch 5 is a totally different player. He excelled here with Kyle and Kawhi, but also with Serge and Gasol.

Pairing him with non shooting centres in Barnes and Poeltl was a key problem.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#178 » by boomershadow » Mon May 26, 2025 7:22 pm

I apologize to Siakam because I was hoping to trade for OG instead, but i have grown to really like his game.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#179 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon May 26, 2025 8:31 pm

He’s kind of playing some decent defense in the playoffs. Like I watched him just stand around the basket and do nothing as players went in for easy layups/dunks as a Raptor. This was in playoff games against the Sixers. I guess more energy with less burden to carry, and I’d say a stronger belief in his current team.
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Re: OT - Apologize To Pascal 

Post#180 » by nikster » Mon May 26, 2025 9:27 pm

I've always loved Pascal. But he's putting up 20 points and 3 assists these playoffs. Sure he's more efficient but he's not really any different than he was with us.

We wouldnt be successful with him putting up that kind of production for us

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