Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?

Post #101 » by **Froob** » Sun May 25, 2025 11:09 am

not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

ChumboChappati · Post #102 » by **ChumboChappati** » Mon May 26, 2025 1:48 am

Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

a lot of Raptor fans are extremely delusional though, and would never believe the teams screwups unless Masai himself admit them.

Dominator83 · Post #103 » by **Dominator83** » Mon May 26, 2025 5:11 am

Come on now. The Doncic trade was alot worse. Also, unlike that trade, the entire league was made well aware that Siakam was available. Nobody stepped up to the plate besides the pacers.

The real problem was, masai waited too long. Should have sold a year earlier at the deadline. Would have gotten a lot better deal.

As a Bulls fan , the Vucevic trade was more lopsided (Franz Wagner and STILL owed another 1st).

Olden polynice for Scottie Pippen

Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman

Dominator83 · Post #104 » by **Dominator83** » Mon May 26, 2025 5:55 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Troubadour wrote:It's complete cope from Raptors fans that it's actually a Pascal for Ingram trade. The Raptors got lucky that Ingram had a five-month ankle sprain that tanked his value and there's still no sign that he is capable of leading a winning team.

I was surprised that the Raptors traded for Ingram, but I know they did it because they got him at a "discount" (trade wise..not his contract).

I can't help but wonder what the Raptors long term plans are. They have a group of talented players that don't seem to fit well together. Maybe next season is the year that it works out?

Masai hates rebuilding. He loves treadmilling. He wants us to be"ready" to compete when another Kawhi trade materializes.

As a Bulls fan.... Misery loves company :wink:

pwayknicks · Post #105 » by **pwayknicks** » Mon May 26, 2025 9:10 am

Don’t see it being that bad especially considering they ended up with Ingram. I think they did worse on the og trade, but neither could be considered anywhere near most lopsided ever. Toronto got the Knicks pretty good in the bargnani trade as an easy example of one wayyyy worse with similar teams.

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Sixers in 4 · Post #106 » by **Sixers in 4** » Mon May 26, 2025 9:28 am

pwayknicks wrote:Don’t see it being that bad especially considering they ended up with Ingram. I think they did worse on the og trade, but neither could be considered anywhere near most lopsided ever. Toronto got the Knicks pretty good in the bargnani trade as an easy example of one wayyyy worse with similar teams.

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The problem with the moves the Siakam and OG trades is they didn't make sense at the time. So the fact they didn't work out was completely predictable.

Personally, I get a team making a move shooting their shot sort to speak and it doesn't work out. The Dame trade as example. The Nets bringing in Harden, Irving, and Durant. The Suns trading for Durant. I'll just throw it in there the Sixers signing PG-13.

The problem was the Raptors weren't good and instead of doing a proper rebuild and getting assets to help them they filled out their cap with neutral to negative contracts. Noone expects anything from the Raptors but they have a high cap allocation than the Sixers next year. Higher than the LAL. It's crazy to me how much they are spending just so they can fight for the playin. Whose that helping?

Post #107 » by **Duffman100** » Mon May 26, 2025 10:20 am

Geneal board: Pascal and OG are not great, you always overrate your players.

Also General Board: OmG most lopsided trades ever.

Never change.

YogurtProducer · Post #108 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon May 26, 2025 2:32 pm

Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

We had a 60-win team 5 years ago wtf are you talking about :lol:

YogurtProducer · Post #109 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon May 26, 2025 2:35 pm

Well IMO, a trade can never be one of the most lopsided trades of recent times when there is still potential the Raptors end up with the best player in grand scheme of things.

I love Siakam, but there is a legitimate chance Ingram is a better player over the next 4 years than Siakam is. At worst, they are very similarly tiered players, and Agbaji/Walter puts it over the top.

Legit question - if Toronto offered Ingram/Walter/Agbaji does Indiana say yes or no?

Jailblazers7 · Post #110 » by **Jailblazers7** » Mon May 26, 2025 4:01 pm

Not even close to the most lopsided trade of the past 5-10 years.

Luka to LA for AD
SGA + 7 FRPs to OKC for PG
KG/Pierce to Brooklyn
Bulls trade for Vucevic
Minny trades Jimmy to Philly for peanuts

All significantly worse in terms of value than what the Raptors got.

Shock Defeat · Post #111 » by **Shock Defeat** » Mon May 26, 2025 4:25 pm

Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

He has mailed it in ever since he lost Kawhi.

Post #112 » by **Duffman100** » Mon May 26, 2025 4:37 pm

It is funny to search the OPs posts and his takes on Siakam. And then look at this thread.

Kurtz · Post #113 » by **Kurtz** » Mon May 26, 2025 5:37 pm

Siakam has improved his 3pt shot since joining Indy, but he also benefits significantly from their playstyle where he gets a lot of open looks. Still, here are the most recent numbers for two guys:

A: 22/6/5
B: 20/7/4

One of them is BI the other is Siakam, and I wager most here would not know which is which without looking it up.

Obviously health is a differentiator (though so is age), but when you add the fact that Ochai is a strong 3&D player on a cheap contract - something that every team in the league pines for (outside of maybe OKC), and Jakobe looked real promising in his rookie year, and you wonder how anyone with any knowledge of these players would call the trade lopsided.

dkb964 · Post #114 » by **dkb964** » Tue May 27, 2025 2:52 pm

Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

**** the Celtics. As a fan of the Raptors hating the Celtics is part of the fandom. You are not wrong though. Ujiri has been dog **** for years now. I like Barnes but he is being treated like he is MJ. The Hawks want Ujiri and they can have him.

dkb964 · Post #115 » by **dkb964** » Tue May 27, 2025 3:06 pm

Kurtz wrote:Siakam has improved his 3pt shot since joining Indy, but he also benefits significantly from their playstyle where he gets a lot of open looks. Still, here are the most recent numbers for two guys:

A: 22/6/5
B: 20/7/4

One of them is BI the other is Siakam, and I wager most here would not know which is which without looking it up.

Obviously health is a differentiator (though so is age), but when you add the fact that Ochai is a strong 3&D player on a cheap contract - something that every team in the league pines for (outside of maybe OKC), and Jakobe looked real promising in his rookie year, and you wonder how anyone with any knowledge of these players would call the trade lopsided.

I believe that Ochai is a pending free agent after next season and may get starter level offers in free agency. I hope the Raptors keep him. I like him over Dick for sure. Dick could not guard me for christ sake.

Tacoma · Post #116 » by **Tacoma** » Tue May 27, 2025 3:53 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

We had a 60-win team 5 years ago wtf are you talking about

Raptors Championship was 7 seasons ago, won 53 games 6 seasons ago in 2020, and in the past five seasons (2021-2025) they were 171-229 averaging 34 wins, ranking them 8th worst over this period. Does his team being 8th worst make Masai one of the worst GM? Depends how you define it, but it has been bad.

Post #117 » by **Duffman100** » Tue May 27, 2025 3:54 pm

Tacoma wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Froob wrote:not sure i’d go that far, but Masai has been one of the worst GMs in the league last five years. To say he lost his fast ball, is even underselling it.

We had a 60-win team 5 years ago wtf are you talking about

Raptors Championship was 7 seasons ago, won 53 games 6 seasons ago in 2020, and in the past five seasons (2021-2025) they were 171-229 averaging 34 wins, ranking them 8th worst over this period. Does his team being 8th worst make Masai one of the worst GM? Depends how you define it, but it has been bad.

Averaging it out while two of those years we were intentionally losing (Tampa and last year) is not the most genuine argument.

Billl · Post #118 » by **Billl** » Tue May 27, 2025 4:01 pm

The problem wasn't the trade value. The problem was the raps waiting so long and then not actually committing to a rebuild. Trading your vet for picks and then turning around and trading those picks for a vet scorer just doesn't make a whole lot of sense directionally.

Blame Rasho · Post #119 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue May 27, 2025 4:03 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Geneal board: Pascal and OG are not great, you always overrate your players.

Also General Board: OmG most lopsided trades ever.

Never change.

The mob is fickle…

YogurtProducer · Post #120 » by **YogurtProducer** » Tue May 27, 2025 5:17 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Tacoma wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:We had a 60-win team 5 years ago wtf are you talking about

Raptors Championship was 7 seasons ago, won 53 games 6 seasons ago in 2020, and in the past five seasons (2021-2025) they were 171-229 averaging 34 wins, ranking them 8th worst over this period. Does his team being 8th worst make Masai one of the worst GM? Depends how you define it, but it has been bad.

Averaging it out while two of those years we were intentionally losing (Tampa and last year) is not the most genuine argument.

And you can even include the year before last as intention tanking to try and keep our pick.

Pretty much we had a 48 and 41 win season sandwiched between 3 years of not trying to win.