Utah-Chi evolves with Sixers/BRK

[pipfan]

I think the Bulls should go after Lauri, and that Utah should move him.
Bulls' FO/ownership won't tank, and wants to win-now. I don't agree, but fine. Let's shoot for the 2nd round
Utah was burned by the lotto and really needs a young stud

Original deal-Lauri for Vuc/PWill/#12/Port pick/2027 Chi pick (not sure on fair protections)
But, it's gotten better

Add Philly and BRK
Chi sends Vuc/PWill to Utah (Vuc could go to another team maybe-Jazz don't need him) along with Port pick and 2027 pick (top 4 protection?) and Chi sends #12 to Sixers
Chi gets Lauri

Sixers send #3 to Utah
Sixers get #8, #12, #19

Utah sends Lauri to Chi
Utah gets #3, Vuc (another team?), PWill, Port pick, 2027 Bulls' pick

BRK sends #8/#19 to Sixers
BRK gets #5

BRK gets Tre Johnson (maybe even Ace, if Char goes for Tre).

Sixers get Malauch/Newell/Sorber with the picks-they actually have some nice, young pieces in the backcourt with Maxey/McCain/Grimes. With this move they add 3 promising bigs, and take another shot with Embiid/PG 13

Utah adds VJ to Kessler as their for sure keepers. With Lauri gone, they don't have to fake anything and can just suck. With Dybantsa playing in Utah, it's just too perfect next year for them.
They have expiring vets with Sexton, Collins, Clarkson, Martin (and in this deal, Vuc) to play with and TONS of young guys to see who fits
Collier, George, Henricks, CWill, PWill, Juzang, Flip, Sensabaugh, mykhailiuk (?). It's a tryout/tank year for them, with unlimited 2026 cap space and tons of future picks to play with as well.

Chi goes for 50 wins
White/Ayo/JCarter
Giddey/Ball/Terry
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith
The core of White, Giddey, Lauri, JSmith, Matas, Phillips could roll into next summer, and the Bulls would have almost $50 million in cap space (White's hold should be around $20 million)

[babyjax13]

So Utah trades 5 AND Lauri for 3, a bad contract, and a vet we dont want? No thanks, thats just not even close. This idea that we'd use Lauri to move up 2 picks with no ancillary value is crazy to me, we would NOT do that.

[pipfan]

So Utah trades 5 AND Lauri for 3, a bad contract, and a vet we dont want? No thanks, thats just not even close. This idea that we'd use Lauri to move up 2 picks with no ancillary value is crazy ti me, we would NOT do that.

They get the Port pick and the 2027 Bulls pick-that's the value. I think Utah needs a young stud, and VJ is their best bet (I don't like Ace much as a prospect-but maybe they take him? I'm never right about the draft).

Lauri doesn't have nearly as much value as before, and Utah will-for sure-tank again next year. Do you really want to waste another year of Lauri's prime and have him sit 30 games with "injuries"?
I know taking on PWill is bad, but there is a player there-somewhere. Maybe Utah can find a useful rotation guy

[babyjax13]

So Utah trades 5 AND Lauri for 3, a bad contract, and a vet we dont want? No thanks, thats just not even close. This idea that we'd use Lauri to move up 2 picks with no ancillary value is crazy ti me, we would NOT do that.

They get the Port pick and the 2027 Bulls pick-that's the value. I think Utah needs a young stud, and VJ is their best bet (I don't like Ace much as a prospect-but maybe they take him? I'm never right about the draft).

Lauri doesn't have nearly as much value as before, and Utah will-for sure-tank again next year. Do you really want to waste another year of Lauri's prime and have him sit 30 games with "injuries"?
I know taking on PWill is bad, but there is a player there-somewhere. Maybe Utah can find a useful rotation guy

Somehow I did not see the Bulls pick in there. I still don't love it, but yes, we should move Lauri and an additional shot at the lottery + moving up is reasonable.

[pipfan]

So Utah trades 5 AND Lauri for 3, a bad contract, and a vet we dont want? No thanks, thats just not even close. This idea that we'd use Lauri to move up 2 picks with no ancillary value is crazy ti me, we would NOT do that.

They get the Port pick and the 2027 Bulls pick-that's the value. I think Utah needs a young stud, and VJ is their best bet (I don't like Ace much as a prospect-but maybe they take him? I'm never right about the draft).

Lauri doesn't have nearly as much value as before, and Utah will-for sure-tank again next year. Do you really want to waste another year of Lauri's prime and have him sit 30 games with "injuries"?
I know taking on PWill is bad, but there is a player there-somewhere. Maybe Utah can find a useful rotation guy

Somehow I did not see the Bulls pick in there. I still don't love it, but yes, we should move Lauri and an additional shot at the lottery + moving up is reasonable.

That's what I was wondering-seems like a pretty fair offer for Lauri/
Utah NEEDS a stud, or two of them. Kessler is the only young piece there I'm convinced can be a solid starter. I like VJ a lot (would like my Bulls to move up for him, but probably impossible)

[Dez]

Absolutely no, trading for Lauri's contract is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Locks the Bulls into even further mediocrity.

[pipfan]

Absolutely no, trading for Lauri's contract is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Locks the Bulls into even further mediocrity.

Don't see it that way-but I'm a big Lauri fan. I think he would thrive with Coby/Giddey/Matas around him. Our defense would improve A LOT (getting rid of Vuc is a huge upgrade). Honestly, if Giddey is for real and we're relatively healthy I think they could win 50
White/Ayo/JCarter
Giddey/Ball/Terry
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith

MAYBE we make the 2027 pick unprotected and Utah gives up the #21

[Dez]

Absolutely no, trading for Lauri's contract is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Locks the Bulls into even further mediocrity.

Don't see it that way-but I'm a big Lauri fan. I think he would thrive with Coby/Giddey/Matas around him. Our defense would improve A LOT (getting rid of Vuc is a huge upgrade). Honestly, if Giddey is for real and we're relatively healthy I think they could win 50
White/Ayo/JCarter
Giddey/Ball/Terry
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith

MAYBE we make the 2027 pick unprotected and Utah gives up the #21

The defense won't improve at all, where are you pulling that from?

That team isn't winning 50 games but they'll be paid like they're contenders, it's just an all around horrible direction for Chicago. It would be worse than the situation we've been in for the last few years.

[pipfan]

Absolutely no, trading for Lauri's contract is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Locks the Bulls into even further mediocrity.

Don't see it that way-but I'm a big Lauri fan. I think he would thrive with Coby/Giddey/Matas around him. Our defense would improve A LOT (getting rid of Vuc is a huge upgrade). Honestly, if Giddey is for real and we're relatively healthy I think they could win 50
White/Ayo/JCarter
Giddey/Ball/Terry
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith

MAYBE we make the 2027 pick unprotected and Utah gives up the #21

The defense won't improve at all, where are you pulling that from?

That team isn't winning 50 games but they'll be paid like they're contenders, it's just an all around horrible direction for Chicago. It would be worse than the situation we've been in for the last few years.

Disagree on the defense. Collins is a much better defender than Vuc (worst defensive center in the league?). Lauri is solid, and we'd be huge, with some good defenders off the bench as well

[Dez]

Don't see it that way-but I'm a big Lauri fan. I think he would thrive with Coby/Giddey/Matas around him. Our defense would improve A LOT (getting rid of Vuc is a huge upgrade). Honestly, if Giddey is for real and we're relatively healthy I think they could win 50
White/Ayo/JCarter
Giddey/Ball/Terry
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith

MAYBE we make the 2027 pick unprotected and Utah gives up the #21

The defense won't improve at all, where are you pulling that from?

That team isn't winning 50 games but they'll be paid like they're contenders, it's just an all around horrible direction for Chicago. It would be worse than the situation we've been in for the last few years.

Disagree on the defense. Collins is a much better defender than Vuc (worst defensive center in the league?). Lauri is solid, and we'd be huge, with some good defenders off the bench as well

No Lauri is not solid and Collins being a "much better defender" than Vuc means nothing, he's still average at the absolute best.

[pipfan]

The defense won't improve at all, where are you pulling that from?

That team isn't winning 50 games but they'll be paid like they're contenders, it's just an all around horrible direction for Chicago. It would be worse than the situation we've been in for the last few years.

Disagree on the defense. Collins is a much better defender than Vuc (worst defensive center in the league?). Lauri is solid, and we'd be huge, with some good defenders off the bench as well

No Lauri is not solid and Collins being a "much better defender" than Vuc means nothing, he's still average at the absolute best.

That's ok, we can just disagree.
Vuc is probably the worst starter center on D in the league-Collins let's say is average. Center is by-far the most important position on D
And yes, I think Lauri is solid on D-no stud but he's fine. We'd have a HUGE lineup with Matas at the 3, and good D off the bench. Ideally we'd start Ball and make Coby a high-minute 6th man, but Donovan wouldn't dare do it

[pipfan]

Disagree on the defense. Collins is a much better defender than Vuc (worst defensive center in the league?). Lauri is solid, and we'd be huge, with some good defenders off the bench as well

No Lauri is not solid and Collins being a "much better defender" than Vuc means nothing, he's still average at the absolute best.

That's ok, we can just disagree.
Vuc is probably the worst starter center on D in the league-Collins let's say is average. Center is by-far the most important position on D
And yes, I think Lauri is solid on D-no stud but he's fine. We'd have a HUGE lineup with Matas at the 3, and good D off the bench. Ideally we'd start Ball and make Coby a high-minute 6th man, but Donovan wouldn't dare do it. Also, maybe AKME could sneak in JCarter to Utah, just to save the $ (and we wouldn't have to watch him play anymore!)

Ball/White/Ayo
Giddey/White/Ayo
Matas/Huerter/Terry
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith
Would need another big, but could easily sign a vet

[Dez]

No Lauri is not solid and Collins being a "much better defender" than Vuc means nothing, he's still average at the absolute best.

That's ok, we can just disagree.
Vuc is probably the worst starter center on D in the league-Collins let's say is average. Center is by-far the most important position on D
And yes, I think Lauri is solid on D-no stud but he's fine. We'd have a HUGE lineup with Matas at the 3, and good D off the bench. Ideally we'd start Ball and make Coby a high-minute 6th man, but Donovan wouldn't dare do it. Also, maybe AKME could sneak in JCarter to Utah, just to save the $ (and we wouldn't have to watch him play anymore!)

Ball/White/Ayo
Giddey/White/Ayo
Matas/Huerter/Terry
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith
Would need another big, but could easily sign a vet

That team goes nowhere and is locked in to going nowhere.

It's just a completely horrible direction, even AKME has a better direction.

[pipfan]

That's ok, we can just disagree.
Vuc is probably the worst starter center on D in the league-Collins let's say is average. Center is by-far the most important position on D
And yes, I think Lauri is solid on D-no stud but he's fine. We'd have a HUGE lineup with Matas at the 3, and good D off the bench. Ideally we'd start Ball and make Coby a high-minute 6th man, but Donovan wouldn't dare do it. Also, maybe AKME could sneak in JCarter to Utah, just to save the $ (and we wouldn't have to watch him play anymore!)

Ball/White/Ayo
Giddey/White/Ayo
Matas/Huerter/Terry
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith
Would need another big, but could easily sign a vet

That team goes nowhere and is locked in to going nowhere.

It's just a completely horrible direction, even AKME has a better direction.

If I had a vote I would trade White and build around Giddey/Matas/#12 and future assets.
This trade is built with the fact in mind that AKME won't take a step back, so why not take a step forward. Lauri is an All Star type in his prime and would get a ton of good looks from Giddey.

[Dez]

That's ok, we can just disagree.
Vuc is probably the worst starter center on D in the league-Collins let's say is average. Center is by-far the most important position on D
And yes, I think Lauri is solid on D-no stud but he's fine. We'd have a HUGE lineup with Matas at the 3, and good D off the bench. Ideally we'd start Ball and make Coby a high-minute 6th man, but Donovan wouldn't dare do it. Also, maybe AKME could sneak in JCarter to Utah, just to save the $ (and we wouldn't have to watch him play anymore!)

Ball/White/Ayo
Giddey/White/Ayo
Matas/Huerter/Terry
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/JSmith
Would need another big, but could easily sign a vet

That team goes nowhere and is locked in to going nowhere.

It's just a completely horrible direction, even AKME has a better direction.

If I had a vote I would trade White and build around Giddey/Matas/#12 and future assets.
This trade is built with the fact in mind that AKME won't take a step back, so why not take a step forward. Lauri is an All Star type in his prime and would get a ton of good looks from Giddey.

He made one All-Star game and proceeded to go back to being mediocre but with a disgusting contract.

This isn't taking a step forward, it's convulsing on the ground having a seizure.