Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[djFan71]

I don't know how Brad will do it, but my wish is Jrue and KP out and Cam Johnson and Gafford coming to Boston.

Would you settle on Grant and Rob Williams coming back to Boston?

Or, and hear me out... Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk.

Any new pics of Sully working out this summer? Need to see those first.

[Larry_Russell]

Orlando gets:
Kristaps Porzingis and Keon Johnson
gives:
KCP, Cole Anthony, 2-2025 2nd rounders

Charlotte gets:
Caleb Martin, Timme (cheap contract from Brooklyn)
Gives:
Mark Williams

Dallas Gets
Jrue Holiday, Sam Hauser (into TPE)
gives
Naji Marshall, Caleb Martin, Klay Thompson

Brooklyn gets:
Cole Anthony and Klay Thompson and pick #46 from Brooklyn
gives:
Jalen Wilson, Keon Johnson and Timme

Boston Gets:
Naju Marshall, Mark Williams, KCP, Jalen Wilson, Bostons own 2025 2nd round pick from Orlando
gives:
Kristaps Porzingis and Jrue Holiday.


Drop 34 million


White/Pritchard/???
KCP/Scheierman/???
Brown/???/Walsh
Marshall/Jalen Wilson/Tillman
Williams/Kornet/Queta

3 draft picks that can be used to fill in all of the ??? on above roster.

#28
#32
#58

[celtxman]

Turns out we didn't win that Malcolm Brogdon trade after all.

The end result was a championship. The Celtics were 16-3 in the playoffs mostly without Porzingis. Yet, if they also didn't have Holiday they may have had real trouble beating Indiana. Holiday was huge overall in those playoffs. It was worth it - they got over the hump and got the ring.

[cl2117]

If Brad can manage to get teams to eat money via TPE's we could get below the tax without having to dump Hauser.

Something like KP to Chicago, Vucevic to the Lakers with Chicago eating Gabe Vincent's contract as the price to upgrade to KP and something (#28? or some combo of value from CHI/LAL) to Washington to eat Maxi.

BOS: fake 2nd
CHI: KP, Vincent (take into TPE)
WAS Maxi (NTMLE)
LAL: Vucevic

C's can take nothing back (creating their own massive TPE in the process). Chicago has to move Julian Phillips so maybe he goes to C's or is part of the payment to Washington to eat Maxi. Maybe we include Tillman as well to get a bit more money off our books.

Swap Jrue in a separate deal where we can shave off just under another $10m and we're all the way below the tax line. Milwaukee for Kuzma, Mavericks for Gafford and Klay who gets spun off elsewhere (fits into Sacramento and Chicago TPE's straight up), to the Kings with Derozan to 3rd team and under $20m of deals coming back to us etc.

I just don't know how much teams are going to charge to eat money. Lots of a teams want to dump contracts to reduce salary and the Nets are the only game in town in terms of pure salary cap space and then TPE's and big non-guaranteed contracts are the next best thing. This has to be the way forward though. KP and Jrue are more risk than reward going forward, we need to take the opportunity to duck the tax, but I don't want to lose any more current rotation pieces if I can help it (and ideally pay as little in terms of draft capital as well).

[fallguy]

Turns out we didn't win that Malcolm Brogdon trade after all.

I mean that trade lead to the Holiday trade that lead to a championship so we really can’t complain

I'm pretty sure we could have got Jrue without Brogdon but I take your point.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't think Stevens and Zarren will be able to make it work with just two players--Tatum and Brown--eating up $107.3M of a projected 2025-26 salary cap of $154.6M. It is simply not workable, even if Tatum could play.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Dallas Hot On The Trail Of Holiday, But That Contract Is A Big Ouchie...

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The Mavericks already have north of $205 million committed in payroll for next season when factoring in Cooper Flagg’s projected cap hold ($13.8 million) and assuming Kyrie Irving ($43.9 million player option) returns at a similar cap number. Even if the Mavericks send out the necessary matching salary in a deal for Holiday, their payroll would rise significantly for the short and long-term.

Would the Mavericks be willing to take on another pricy long-term deal in Holiday that isn’t expected to age well as the veteran guards hits his late 30s? It’s possible Mavericks ownership is willing to pay that price but Stein noted that it would be complicated for them to take on the remaining three years and $104 million left on his deal.

[fallguy]

Dallas Hot On The Trail Of Holiday, But That Contract Is A Big Ouchie...

Read on Twitter

The Mavericks already have north of $205 million committed in payroll for next season when factoring in Cooper Flagg’s projected cap hold ($13.8 million) and assuming Kyrie Irving ($43.9 million player option) returns at a similar cap number. Even if the Mavericks send out the necessary matching salary in a deal for Holiday, their payroll would rise significantly for the short and long-term.

Would the Mavericks be willing to take on another pricy long-term deal in Holiday that isn’t expected to age well as the veteran guards hits his late 30s? It’s possible Mavericks ownership is willing to pay that price but Stein noted that it would be complicated for them to take on the remaining three years and $104 million left on his deal.

Mavs will likely have to cull other guys from their roster first...

[Fencer reregistered]

If Brad can manage to get teams to eat money via TPE's we could get below the tax without having to dump Hauser.

Something like KP to Chicago, Vucevic to the Lakers with Chicago eating Gabe Vincent's contract as the price to upgrade to KP and something (#28? or some combo of value from CHI/LAL) to Washington to eat Maxi.

BOS: fake 2nd
CHI: KP, Vincent (take into TPE)
WAS Maxi (NTMLE)
LAL: Vucevic

C's can take nothing back (creating their own massive TPE in the process). Chicago has to move Julian Phillips so maybe he goes to C's or is part of the payment to Washington to eat Maxi. Maybe we include Tillman as well to get a bit more money off our books.

Swap Jrue in a separate deal where we can shave off just under another $10m and we're all the way below the tax line. Milwaukee for Kuzma, Mavericks for Gafford and Klay who gets spun off elsewhere (fits into Sacramento and Chicago TPE's straight up), to the Kings with Derozan to 3rd team and under $20m of deals coming back to us etc.

I just don't know how much teams are going to charge to eat money. Lots of a teams want to dump contracts to reduce salary and the Nets are the only game in town in terms of pure salary cap space and then TPE's and big non-guaranteed contracts are the next best thing. This has to be the way forward though. KP and Jrue are more risk than reward going forward, we need to take the opportunity to duck the tax, but I don't want to lose any more current rotation pieces if I can help it (and ideally pay as little in terms of draft capital as well).

The MLE works as a TPE-equivalent now, doesn't it?

[cl2117]

If Brad can manage to get teams to eat money via TPE's we could get below the tax without having to dump Hauser.

Something like KP to Chicago, Vucevic to the Lakers with Chicago eating Gabe Vincent's contract as the price to upgrade to KP and something (#28? or some combo of value from CHI/LAL) to Washington to eat Maxi.

BOS: fake 2nd
CHI: KP, Vincent (take into TPE)
WAS Maxi (NTMLE)
LAL: Vucevic

C's can take nothing back (creating their own massive TPE in the process). Chicago has to move Julian Phillips so maybe he goes to C's or is part of the payment to Washington to eat Maxi. Maybe we include Tillman as well to get a bit more money off our books.

Swap Jrue in a separate deal where we can shave off just under another $10m and we're all the way below the tax line. Milwaukee for Kuzma, Mavericks for Gafford and Klay who gets spun off elsewhere (fits into Sacramento and Chicago TPE's straight up), to the Kings with Derozan to 3rd team and under $20m of deals coming back to us etc.

I just don't know how much teams are going to charge to eat money. Lots of a teams want to dump contracts to reduce salary and the Nets are the only game in town in terms of pure salary cap space and then TPE's and big non-guaranteed contracts are the next best thing. This has to be the way forward though. KP and Jrue are more risk than reward going forward, we need to take the opportunity to duck the tax, but I don't want to lose any more current rotation pieces if I can help it (and ideally pay as little in terms of draft capital as well).

The MLE works as a TPE-equivalent now, doesn't it?

The room and the non-tax payer MLE can be used like TPE's, the taxpayer MLE is still just for free agents. I think it's going to be a really popular way for teams that still need to hit the salary floor to net some assets. I just don't know what the going rate for eating up to $14m is going to be.

If we can dump just KP and Jrue and get below the tax line while still getting at least one pick in the 30's/40's in the 2nd round, I think Brad will have done well. Hopefully KP pays for himself, Jrue doesn't cost more than #28.

[ConstableGeneva]

Brad slacking again. Why haven't we traded anyone yet??

[Curmudgeon]

Brad slacking again. Why haven't we traded anyone yet??

Draft night will be interesting, but I would expect the real action to occur after the moratorium ends.

[celticgreenie]

All this recent trade talk about WCJ and a little further Jamorant does have one thing in common, they share the same agent Mike Miller. His biggest client is probably Banchero though.

[Celts17Pride]

Idk. Got a championship.
It’s probably the same as it was when it happened. A win win. For both.
Jrue extension was a separate decision and you can now argue in hindsight that was a poor decision.

If the Celtics didn’t give Jrue Holiday an extension after the trade then it would have been pretty likely they would have given him the extension right after they won the championship so it’s really a moot point.

It’s just a year later it doesn’t look so good

The extension was agreed to after the 2023/24 season when he first became eligible. It was a completely separate decision from the trade.
He played his first season with the Celtics under his old contract. There was a player option for 24/25.

My point was the way he played last year they would have given Holiday an extension before this year so it’s really a moot point

[Celts17Pride]

I don't think Stevens and Zarren will be able to make it work with just two players--Tatum and Brown--eating up $107.3M of a projected 2025-26 salary cap of $154.6M. It is simply not workable, even if Tatum could play.

Give it up

[165bows]

All this recent trade talk about WCJ and a little further Jamorant does have one thing in common, they share the same agent Mike Miller. His biggest client is probably Banchero though.

Nah his biggest client is the MVP

[NotAKnicksFan]

Fk it

Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser and 5 first round picks for Giannis

We dont gotta be under apron until next year right

Jrue
White
Brown
Tatum (back allstar break) sign thanasis for giannis
Giannis

Payroll is crazy, absolutely insane but whatever

Thats a death lineup

Resigned al horford for minimum

Giannis has to do back channels

[FarBeyondDriven]

hey guys, can you please let know what the deal was with Jrue Holidays extension? I'm hearing rumors of a potential Holiday for DeRozan trade. I was wondering why you extended him. Didn't he say a few years ago he was already contemplating retirement and wanted to retire after this season? Seems like an odd choice to extend him given that and the fact that the apron and cap ramifications were known at the time. This contract along is responsible for most your of cap problems. Is it just a case of feeling you had to do it to try and repeat? I'm just worried if we get saddled with it he might not be motivated as the saying goes, once you consider retiring you have one foot out the door. Thanks

Jrue declined his $37.4-million player option as part of the extension (and made $30.1 million in his first year), so that was massive for the luxury tax...

And Brad loves Jrue, so he sees him here long term or he is sure it will be no problem trading him even with this extension...

ahh, I wasn't aware of this. Now it makes a lot more sense. Thanks so much!

[Fierce1]

Jrue is still very good.

The problem is the Cs is not a good fit anymore.

What the Cs need alongside White is a fast guard who attacks the basket and love to run on fast breaks.

[tfribs45]

Mahcussss Smahhttt rumored to come back in a package for Jrue, this board would go Nuclear LMAO. We Love Mahcusssssss!