Describing SGA as a foul merchant seems extremely disingenuous.

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Re: Describing SGA as a foul merchant seems extremely disingenuous. 

Post#281 » by KayDee35 » Sat May 24, 2025 1:14 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:#3 - You are no longer making a natural basketball play, the entirety of the move is designed to draw a foul, and was never intended to actually score or make a play. These are the James Harden specialty that specifically aim at playing by the letter of the law in the rulebook, but not the spirit. Examples include drives where you intentionally try to trip over the defender, kicking legs out, swinging the ball wildly to hit your defenders arms, basically anything that you'd never actually do in any type of casual setting that are simply to exploit the rules as they're written.

SGA doesn't do a lot of these, though I see it occasionally. James Harden is by far the worst offender here, though I saw Luka doing it more than he usually does this season with the Lakers (I think it was a function of his fitness, easier to get to the line than score naturally). Embiid is definitely a big offender here as well.


The difference here is that Harden and Embiid stopped getting calls on non-basketball plays when the playoffs began and were at times even punished with no-calls by refs.

The same is simply not happening for Shai. And he continues to make #3 moves all game and is rewarded on far more of them than he should be and far more than anyone else in the playoffs.
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Re: Describing SGA as a foul merchant seems extremely disingenuous. 

Post#282 » by SkyBill40 » Sat May 24, 2025 1:57 am

SGA has had 29 FTA in two games. That's ridiculous, plain and simple. Seems as though anointing him as a foul merchant is spot on.

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Post#283 » by walk with me » Tue May 27, 2025 4:57 am

12/14 tonight

8 free throws in the last 2:30
6 free throws in roughly the last 30 seconds
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Post#284 » by DonaldSanders » Tue May 27, 2025 5:09 am

walk with me wrote:12/14 tonight

8 free throws in the last 2:30
6 free throws in roughly the last 30 seconds


Are you seriously quoting what were mostly intentional fouls? Did you even watch the game?
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Post#285 » by NBA_is_cringe » Tue May 27, 2025 5:39 am

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Post#286 » by Mephariel » Tue May 27, 2025 6:06 am

Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?
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Post#287 » by durden_tyler » Tue May 27, 2025 6:10 am

Mephariel wrote:Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?


This was a fairly called game. 14 FTs is misleading, 4 came very late when Wolves were fouling so those 5 calls were pretty much legit and the refs actually allowed the Wolves to play rather physical. This is not the game to criticize the refs. (But it's still a fact that SGA has a tendency to be a Free Throw Merchant and he'll be forever known as that kind of star. (Nothing wrong with that, Wade was one)
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Post#288 » by Mephariel » Tue May 27, 2025 6:22 am

durden_tyler wrote:
Mephariel wrote:Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?


This was a fairly called game. 14 FTs is misleading, 4 came very late when Wolves were fouling so those 5 calls were pretty much legit and the refs actually allowed the Wolves to play rather physical. This is not the game to criticize the refs. (But it's still a fact that SGA has a tendency to be a Free Throw Merchant and he'll be forever known as that kind of star. (Nothing wrong with that, Wade was one)
So foul merchant just means the player drives hard to the paint and put himself in a situation that is more likely to draw free throws?

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Post#289 » by SpreeS » Tue May 27, 2025 6:40 am

I dont know why is Shai attacked so much here, but his 9.5 FTA isn't even TOP20 in last 10y of PS. Yes he sells contacts, but he isnt hunting fouls calls like Harden or Brunson.
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Post#290 » by Larry_Russell » Tue May 27, 2025 9:42 am

Its simply this.

SGA flops to "sell contact"
And
OKC slaps and grabs and mugs opposing teams with no fouls called.


Its a double atandard amd its gross.
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Post#291 » by walk with me » Tue May 27, 2025 12:28 pm

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walk with me wrote:12/14 tonight

8 free throws in the last 2:30
6 free throws in roughly the last 30 seconds


Are you seriously quoting what were mostly intentional fouls? Did you even watch the game?


My point is that he barely shot free throws for like 90% of the game.
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Post#292 » by ThunderBolt » Tue May 27, 2025 1:21 pm

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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.
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Post#293 » by walk with me » Tue May 27, 2025 1:37 pm

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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.


I don’t like any talk about SGAs free throws cause it distracts from what we should be talking about which is how incredible his footwork, ball handling, midrange, shot touch, body control, and finishing all are.
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Post#294 » by PushDaRock » Tue May 27, 2025 2:17 pm

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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.


I don’t like any talk about SGAs free throws cause it distracts from what we should be talking about which is how incredible his footwork, ball handling, midrange, shot touch, body control, and finishing all are.


For me, it's how he puts it all together and has a counter for everything. He's like playing chess out there always a move ahead of the defender.
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Post#295 » by Patches Perry » Tue May 27, 2025 2:26 pm

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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.


Sports animal guys were speculating that she doesn't understand that free throw merchant is pejorative. That would explain the exchange above.
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Post#296 » by ThunderBolt » Tue May 27, 2025 2:54 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:
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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.


Sports animal guys were speculating that she doesn't understand that free throw merchant is pejorative. That would explain the exchange above.

I have a hard time believing anyone on the sports urinal knew the word “perjorative”. :lol:

Actually I take that back. Dvoracek is good and by far the most objective. Not sure if he’s still on there.
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Post#297 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue May 27, 2025 2:57 pm

Shai regularly leads the league in drives per game (including in these playoffs). When you relentlessly attack the rim and get into the paint, you’re gonna draw fouls.
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Post#298 » by Patches Perry » Tue May 27, 2025 2:57 pm

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Doris is really wearing me out with this. Seems a bit unprofessional. I don’t think it’s mean spirited. It’s like she learned a new catchy phrase and likes to use it as much as possible.


Sports animal guys were speculating that she doesn't understand that free throw merchant is pejorative. That would explain the exchange above.

I have a hard time believing anyone on the sports urinal knew the word “perjorative”. :lol:

Actually I take that back. Dvoracek is good and by far the most objective. Not sure if he’s still on there.


I like Gideon, but yeah Jim and Al and the day guys are obnoxious. I do like the post game guys though.
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Post#299 » by cupcakesnake » Tue May 27, 2025 3:09 pm

Mephariel wrote:Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?


Historically, Shai isn't in the upper echelon of free throw attempters. He's 26th all time in attempts per 100 possessions, in a tier with guys like Lebron, Shawn Kemp, Jimmy Butle, and Kevin Durant at around 10 per 100.

Shai could climb the list with a bunch more prime seasons at his current rate (12 per 100). The biggest free throw getters average 12+ for their whole careers, and have prime seasons where they hit 17-20.

In terms of guards, guys like Harden, Luka, Iverson, MJ, Wade, Kobe, and Trae are all above Shai. I think Shai will likely climb in into the top 15, but is unlikely to crack the truly elite group (Embiid, Shaq, Giannis, and of course Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette).
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Post#300 » by PushDaRock » Tue May 27, 2025 3:31 pm

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Mephariel wrote:Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?


Historically, Shai isn't in the upper echelon of free throw attempters. He's 26th all time in attempts per 100 possessions, in a tier with guys like Lebron, Shawn Kemp, Jimmy Butle, and Kevin Durant at around 10 per 100.

Shai could climb the list with a bunch more prime seasons at his current rate (12 per 100). The biggest free throw getters average 12+ for their whole careers, and have prime seasons where they hit 17-20.

In terms of guards, guys like Harden, Luka, Iverson, MJ, Wade, Kobe, and Trae are all above Shai. I think Shai will likely climb in into the top 15, but is unlikely to crack the truly elite group (Embiid, Shaq, Giannis, and of course Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette).


I wonder how Maggette would be viewed in this current era. A career 47.9 eFG% paired with a 57.7 TS% is a pretty crazy stat.

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