Build around Luka or Edwards?

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Poll ended at Sun May 4, 2025 12:55 pm

Luka Doncic
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47%
Anthony Edwards
82
53%
 
Total votes: 154

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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#61 » by Coach Carter » Tue May 27, 2025 4:48 am

The amount of disrespect towards Luka is ridiculous.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#62 » by Dan33185 » Tue May 27, 2025 5:03 am

Oh, Ant had a bad game, time to make a judgement on the rest of his career.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#63 » by FrobeBryant » Tue May 27, 2025 5:07 am

Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

It’s typical of this board. Always caught up in the moment..
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#64 » by CobraCommander » Tue May 27, 2025 5:09 am

Ant 23 and healthy - Luka 26 and fat

Still taking the fat guy with heart that somehow scores when his defense sucks over the in shape guy that disappears in big game
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#65 » by MrGoat » Tue May 27, 2025 5:22 am

Have Luka and Ant switch places between the current Lakers and T Wolves and the T Wolves still would have won that series easily. JJ Redick electing to go ultra small against that frontline still baffles me. Switch them from last year's Mavs and T Wolves and we may be talking a different story, you think Luka couldn't set up Rudy Gobert and KAT to absolutely feast?
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#66 » by Infinite Llamas » Tue May 27, 2025 5:36 am

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Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

He plays both sides. It's really that simple.


Luka is 2-3x the offensive force that Edwards so any advantages on defense are nullified. Luka never pulls Houdini acts like Edwards and disappears from games.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#67 » by levon » Tue May 27, 2025 5:54 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

He plays both sides. It's really that simple.

Does he?

What if I told you Luka's defensive impact stats are on par or higher than Ant's? And what if I told you Ant is literally never guarding the team's best offensive player anyway? And what if I told you that Luka is actually a forward defender and in the same way that he can't keep up on the perimeter against Ant, Ant can't do anything against him in the post?

There's this myth that if you're a wiry athletic young guy that you're gonna be this amazing perimeter defender like Jordan. This guy aint Jordan, on either end of the ball. Stop overrating this archetype out of nostalgia and memes and vibes.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#68 » by Mephariel » Tue May 27, 2025 6:02 am

levon wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

He plays both sides. It's really that simple.

Does he?

What if I told you Luka's defensive impact stats are on par or higher than Ant's? And what if I told you Ant is literally never guarding the team's best offensive player anyway? And what if I told you that Luka is actually a forward defender and in the same way that he can't keep up on the perimeter against Ant, Ant can't do anything against him in the post?

There's this myth that if you're a wiry athletic young guy that you're gonna be this amazing perimeter defender like Jordan. This guy aint Jordan, on either end of the ball. Stop overrating this archetype out of nostalgia and memes and vibes.


I think Luka is probably still a better bet. But you can "what if" all you want. Ant either is a better defender or has potential to be one. I don't buy Luka's defensive potential at all.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#69 » by whatisacenter » Tue May 27, 2025 6:03 am

neither of them for me.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#70 » by levon » Tue May 27, 2025 6:07 am

Mephariel wrote:
levon wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:He plays both sides. It's really that simple.

Does he?

What if I told you Luka's defensive impact stats are on par or higher than Ant's? And what if I told you Ant is literally never guarding the team's best offensive player anyway? And what if I told you that Luka is actually a forward defender and in the same way that he can't keep up on the perimeter against Ant, Ant can't do anything against him in the post?

There's this myth that if you're a wiry athletic young guy that you're gonna be this amazing perimeter defender like Jordan. This guy aint Jordan, on either end of the ball. Stop overrating this archetype out of nostalgia and memes and vibes.


I think Luka is probably still a better bet. But you can "what if" all you want. Ant either is a better defender or has potential to be one. I don't buy Luka's defensive potential at all.

There's nothing to buy. Luka's a neutral to good forward defender and an uninspiring perimeter defender that's going to get beat by elite perimeter players, but so is everyone in the league. He's also an all-time great player on offense. If you wanna keep buying Ant stock because of the occasional lightning quick steal and dunk, that's your prerogative.

I mean it when I say the only truly two-way top-5 player in the league is going to be Wemby next year. Coincidentally, that's the only player I'd trade Luka for.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#71 » by Lalouie » Tue May 27, 2025 6:09 am

ant is physically healthier and better athlete

he also said he's gotten confused when a defense throws something at him. athletes just put their head down and soar because that's what they can do

but i want someone SMART leading my team
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#72 » by Yuri36 » Tue May 27, 2025 12:25 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…


Not as mind blowing as Luka literally wasting a top 5 all time basketball talent by not being able to do the easiest and most elementary thing any NBA point guard is supposed to do which is to stay fit and in shape.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#73 » by Yuri36 » Tue May 27, 2025 12:30 pm

Coach Carter wrote:The amount of disrespect towards Luka is ridiculous.


I don't think the disrespect is toward his talent but more about the way he is wasting this Godly talent he has because of his lack of drive off the court.

How the hell can you start the season being so out of shape when you had just lost NBA finals and a MVP title he probably should have deserved to win considering the historical season he had (even more so when Mavs finally became a contender with the Gafford / PJ trade)?
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#74 » by Larry_Russell » Tue May 27, 2025 12:35 pm

Luka is a great offensive talent, and one that you can build a LETHAL team around.
But I personally prefer 2 way players as it is a bit easier to build around them.


Luka with a couple guys like Dort and Caruso and a highs energy rim running bigman and a bigman who can spread the floor would be unstoppable.
Problem is the team has to be perfect.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#75 » by Archx » Tue May 27, 2025 1:54 pm

CobraCommander wrote:Ant 23 and healthy - Luka 26 and fat

Still taking the fat guy with heart that somehow scores when his defense sucks over the in shape guy that disappears in big game



:lol:

Mate, you didn't even last a week. I believe you said you have him in the 6th-7th range... Keep it that way and lets wait for next year :P
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#76 » by shrink » Tue May 27, 2025 2:05 pm

FrobeBryant wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

It’s typical of this board. Always caught up in the moment..

My thoughts exactly.

Half these posters are talking about a single game, or a single series, when the question is about the next five years.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#77 » by CobraCommander » Tue May 27, 2025 2:14 pm

Archx wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Ant 23 and healthy - Luka 26 and fat

Still taking the fat guy with heart that somehow scores when his defense sucks over the in shape guy that disappears in big game



:lol:

Mate, you didn't even last a week. I believe you said you have him in the 6th-7th range... Keep it that way and lets wait for next year :P

It’s constantly being updated on Ant-

Ant put Luka out and Luka allowed 41 points in a game- these are verified facts….

But can you imagine Luka (healthy or not) in a game 4 down 2 to 1 at home not taking shots and allowing Alex Caruso to make him pass the ball? Alex is good but he isn’t making Luka a pass first player in a critical game.

Luka’s defense sucks- Luka’s commitment to basketball is horrible when he ISNT playing basketball- BUT at some point they do actually play games that matter…

And when they play games that matter, Luka shows up out of shape and gives offensive effort…

Ant was a no show and it’s a thing- his coach is asking anthony “to he himself” and take shots -

Everyone healthy- Luka is behind the last 7 MVPs- sga, Embiid, Giannis and Jokic… because these guys were MVPs and won those over Luka.. or beat Luka heads up in all those mvp races- those are facts- so that has Luka at best at 5th- but Tatum has a ring. So that puts Luka at 6- then wemby is coming so that could have Luka at 7- and Ant just abused Luka this year so someone could reasonably have Luka at 8! But then Hali and Brunson follow Luka - unless one wins a ring - then it’s crazy…

But honestly Ant is a no show in crucial games- it’s weird - and Luka gave up 41 but that’s because he is too lazy in the offseason and during the year to train and put down the fork- ant has some other issue
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#78 » by JustBuzzin » Tue May 27, 2025 2:18 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

He plays both sides. It's really that simple.


Luka is 2-3x the offensive force that Edwards so any advantages on defense are nullified. Luka never pulls Houdini acts like Edwards and disappears from games.

Where was this guy vs Ant in the 1st round?
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#79 » by JustBuzzin » Tue May 27, 2025 2:19 pm

levon wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:How Edwards is leading this poll is mind blowing…

He plays both sides. It's really that simple.

Does he?

What if I told you Luka's defensive impact stats are on par or higher than Ant's? And what if I told you Ant is literally never guarding the team's best offensive player anyway? And what if I told you that Luka is actually a forward defender and in the same way that he can't keep up on the perimeter against Ant, Ant can't do anything against him in the post?

There's this myth that if you're a wiry athletic young guy that you're gonna be this amazing perimeter defender like Jordan. This guy aint Jordan, on either end of the ball. Stop overrating this archetype out of nostalgia and memes and vibes.

We seen them in Rd 1 and Ant was clearly the best player in the series.
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Re: Build around Luka or Edwards? 

Post#80 » by RunOKC » Tue May 27, 2025 2:23 pm

Today its Luka, could be Ant again after game 5 though

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