Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[pepe1991]

Might as well get Jordan Clarkson, at least he is cheaper.

[VFX]

We will see.

It’s not like he has a lot of capital to work with to be honest. Unless you think he’s moving Suggs, KCP or Carter etc.

Picks are what people want, man. The players outgoing are less relevant.

And the Magic have all of them, plus a Denver pick, plus a Suns swap, plus a load of 2nds.

Saying that we don't have capital to work with is funny, where do you find those people?

Yeah because picks #16 and #25 are SUPER desirable.

Teams are lining up to trade quality starters for Yaxel Lendeborg and some expiring contracts.

[basketballRob]

Any interest in Pritchard? I think he's a definite upgrade over Cole. It might take something like Goga and the #16 to get him. The Celtics could use the pick to help get off some of their contracts.

Pritchard would be another rotation player, something that Goga and Cole haven't done.

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[Knightro]

Picks are what people want, man. The players outgoing are less relevant.

And the Magic have all of them, plus a Denver pick, plus a Suns swap, plus a load of 2nds.

Saying that we don't have capital to work with is funny, where do you find those people?

Yeah because picks #16 and #25 are SUPER desirable.

Teams are lining up to trade quality starters for Yaxel Lendeborg and some expiring contracts.

They're more valuable than you’re making it out to be.

But the more desirable assets are future unprotected or lightly protected picks in the future where teams can gamble on the Magic falling apart.

[cedric76]

Saying that we don't have capital to work with is funny, where do you find those people?

Yeah because picks #16 and #25 are SUPER desirable.

Teams are lining up to trade quality starters for Yaxel Lendeborg and some expiring contracts.

They're more valuable than you’re making it out to be.

But the more desirable assets are future unprotected or lightly protected picks in the future where teams can gamble on the Magic falling apart.

The new CBA makes FRP and SRP picks VERY valuable, i think #16 is valuable and our 2026 FRP is VERY valuable (very likely to be a lotto pick).

[89Magicfan]

Jordon Poole?! Good God…That’s not the direction we need to take.

Look anyone other than Paolo
Should be on the table and Franz unless you get an complete game changer for him.

[Redick07]

Yeah because picks #16 and #25 are SUPER desirable.

Teams are lining up to trade quality starters for Yaxel Lendeborg and some expiring contracts.

They're more valuable than you’re making it out to be.

But the more desirable assets are future unprotected or lightly protected picks in the future where teams can gamble on the Magic falling apart.

The new CBA makes FRP and SRP picks VERY valuable, i think #16 is valuable and our 2026 FRP is VERY valuable (very likely to be a lotto pick).

Exactly! If Wizards get top 8 in 2026, and Suns get the no.1 pick, we can swap this no.1 pick!!!!

[Knightro]

Exactly! If Wizards get top 8 in 2026, and Suns get the no.1 pick, we can swap this no.1 pick!!!!

I believe this is accurate.

All the current reporting states that only the Washington/Phoenix swap is top 8 protected.

The Orlando/Phoenix swap appears to be fully unprotected.

So basically we want Phoenix to be as bad as humanly possible this upcoming season.

[Skybox]

Exactly! If Wizards get top 8 in 2026, and Suns get the no.1 pick, we can swap this no.1 pick!!!!

I believe this is accurate.

All the current reporting states that only the Washington/Phoenix swap is top 8 protected.

The Orlando/Phoenix swap appears to be fully unprotected.

So basically we want Phoenix to be as bad as humanly possible this upcoming season.

Wow...I'll stop casually throwing that in to trades

...I'll still use it, just not casually

Honestly, it's "possible value" makes it something to play with, if someone else wants to bet on it and give us a sure thing, I'd consider it. Don't cling!

[AdamTheGreek]

Weltman is either going to make ONE trade using a draft pick + assets or he’s not going to make a trade at all and he will use the draft picks. Probably move the second for nothing.

Thats who he is. We know his track record and how he handles things.

I think people are mistaken if they think Weltman is going to be moving 3+ players making multiple consecutive deals to round out the roster.

He’s going to be aggressive. He said it multiple times.

He knows he **** up not taking action at the deadline.

We will see.

It’s not like he has a lot of capital to work with to be honest. Unless you think he’s moving Suggs, KCP or Carter etc.

Al 3 could get moved.
Two definitely should.

[VFX]

He’s going to be aggressive. He said it multiple times.

He knows he **** up not taking action at the deadline.

We will see.

It’s not like he has a lot of capital to work with to be honest. Unless you think he’s moving Suggs, KCP or Carter etc.

Al 3 could get moved.
Two definitely should.

So Weltman doesn’t make a trade in 4 seasons.

Now in one offseason he’s potentially trading 3 starters?

Doubt.

[AdamTheGreek]

He’s going to be aggressive. He said it multiple times.

He knows he **** up not taking action at the deadline.

He **** up every tradedealine and off-season since Van Fleet was available in his last Toronto season, when it comes to roster construction. Everything before you cAn label as tanking moves but at that time it was clear what we have (2 great forward talents and that Suggs is not a PG) and what we need (PG, shooting).
3 years later we have the same team and Same weaknesses and Now when we are capped out out he wants to start address those things. Waste of time, assets (capspace, value of picks before the draft) and opportunities.

This, salary cap limitations will now 100% play role in what Magic can actually do in trades because flexibility is gone.

Simons, most often talked person in trades, is also UFA after this season. Good luck trying to retain him below some $25M-$30M a year, that's contract he has now.

And indeed, salary cap raises, but max contracts that were handed to Franz, and will be handed to Banchero are tied with salary cap percentage, so it's irrelevant how much salary raises.

Paolo's max starts at $42,5M.
If he makes all nba team or some other award, like Cade, it starts at $51M.

Franz starts at $38,6M, Suggs costs $35M next season.

That's why wasting 2024 off season on idiotic Isaac's front loaded contract ( $25M for 24-25) and KCP overpay ($22M for role player ) were so bad and brutal. Those moves just limited flexibility and didn't fix problems. Did the opposite really.

Jeff has wasted time, no debating that. But we’ve got to worry about now instead of past missed opportunities. He finally realizes that. This can all be fixed this offseason, we’ll see if Jeff is capable of it with no contract extension yet (which we know could go great or terribly for us when decision makers are desperate).

If we trade for Simons, we’re extending him immediately and the number will have already have been negotiated before the trade is done.

[AdamTheGreek]

Might as well get Jordan Clarkson, at least he is cheaper.

No way. He’s about to be 33 and he’s declining to a point where he may be worse than Cole next season.
Dumping Cole and bringing in Clarkson is the same problem if not worse because at least Cole is a good hype man.

[cedric76]

He **** up every tradedealine and off-season since Van Fleet was available in his last Toronto season, when it comes to roster construction. Everything before you cAn label as tanking moves but at that time it was clear what we have (2 great forward talents and that Suggs is not a PG) and what we need (PG, shooting).
3 years later we have the same team and Same weaknesses and Now when we are capped out out he wants to start address those things. Waste of time, assets (capspace, value of picks before the draft) and opportunities.

This, salary cap limitations will now 100% play role in what Magic can actually do in trades because flexibility is gone.

Simons, most often talked person in trades, is also UFA after this season. Good luck trying to retain him below some $25M-$30M a year, that's contract he has now.

And indeed, salary cap raises, but max contracts that were handed to Franz, and will be handed to Banchero are tied with salary cap percentage, so it's irrelevant how much salary raises.

Paolo's max starts at $42,5M.
If he makes all nba team or some other award, like Cade, it starts at $51M.

Franz starts at $38,6M, Suggs costs $35M next season.

That's why wasting 2024 off season on idiotic Isaac's front loaded contract ( $25M for 24-25) and KCP overpay ($22M for role player ) were so bad and brutal. Those moves just limited flexibility and didn't fix problems. Did the opposite really.

Jeff has wasted time, no debating that. But we’ve got to worry about now instead of past missed opportunities. He finally realizes that. This can all be fixed this offseason, we’ll see if Jeff is capable of it with no contract extension yet (which we know could go great or terribly for us when decision makers are desperate).

If we trade for Simons, we’re extending him immediately and the number will have already have been negotiated before the trade is done.

Exactly, you dont trade for simons (or sexton/white, etc...) if you have not agreed with them an extension (or new contract) below 25 M$ / per year (you dont want your new guard to make more than 13% of the cap in 2027)

See our 2027 contract here viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2456884

[89Magicfan]

He **** up every tradedealine and off-season since Van Fleet was available in his last Toronto season, when it comes to roster construction. Everything before you cAn label as tanking moves but at that time it was clear what we have (2 great forward talents and that Suggs is not a PG) and what we need (PG, shooting).
3 years later we have the same team and Same weaknesses and Now when we are capped out out he wants to start address those things. Waste of time, assets (capspace, value of picks before the draft) and opportunities.

This, salary cap limitations will now 100% play role in what Magic can actually do in trades because flexibility is gone.

Simons, most often talked person in trades, is also UFA after this season. Good luck trying to retain him below some $25M-$30M a year, that's contract he has now.

And indeed, salary cap raises, but max contracts that were handed to Franz, and will be handed to Banchero are tied with salary cap percentage, so it's irrelevant how much salary raises.

Paolo's max starts at $42,5M.
If he makes all nba team or some other award, like Cade, it starts at $51M.

Franz starts at $38,6M, Suggs costs $35M next season.

That's why wasting 2024 off season on idiotic Isaac's front loaded contract ( $25M for 24-25) and KCP overpay ($22M for role player ) were so bad and brutal. Those moves just limited flexibility and didn't fix problems. Did the opposite really.

Jeff has wasted time, no debating that. But we’ve got to worry about now instead of past missed opportunities. He finally realizes that. This can all be fixed this offseason, we’ll see if Jeff is capable of it with no contract extension yet (which we know could go great or terribly for us when decision makers are desperate).

If we trade for Simons, we’re extending him immediately and the number will have already have been negotiated before the trade is done.

Simon’s alone won’t be enough I’m afraid.This team needs talent at the PG spot.

[basketballRob]

I think the Suns may trade Beal back to Washington for Middleton and Smart. The only roadblock is that Middleton and Smart are expiring, and Beal has 2 years.

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[OrlandoDream]

He **** up every tradedealine and off-season since Van Fleet was available in his last Toronto season, when it comes to roster construction. Everything before you cAn label as tanking moves but at that time it was clear what we have (2 great forward talents and that Suggs is not a PG) and what we need (PG, shooting).
3 years later we have the same team and Same weaknesses and Now when we are capped out out he wants to start address those things. Waste of time, assets (capspace, value of picks before the draft) and opportunities.

This, salary cap limitations will now 100% play role in what Magic can actually do in trades because flexibility is gone.

Simons, most often talked person in trades, is also UFA after this season. Good luck trying to retain him below some $25M-$30M a year, that's contract he has now.

And indeed, salary cap raises, but max contracts that were handed to Franz, and will be handed to Banchero are tied with salary cap percentage, so it's irrelevant how much salary raises.

Paolo's max starts at $42,5M.
If he makes all nba team or some other award, like Cade, it starts at $51M.

Franz starts at $38,6M, Suggs costs $35M next season.

That's why wasting 2024 off season on idiotic Isaac's front loaded contract ( $25M for 24-25) and KCP overpay ($22M for role player ) were so bad and brutal. Those moves just limited flexibility and didn't fix problems. Did the opposite really.

Jeff has wasted time, no debating that. But we’ve got to worry about now instead of past missed opportunities. He finally realizes that. This can all be fixed this offseason, we’ll see if Jeff is capable of it with no contract extension yet (which we know could go great or terribly for us when decision makers are desperate).

If we trade for Simons, we’re extending him immediately and the number will have already have been negotiated before the trade is done.

To be fair, nobody expected JI and KCP to be so bad this season. Their value is all time low and personally, I think they will have a better season ahead. Weve seen better from both. Will they be here long enough to see? TIme will tell.

What contract would simmons command? Can we afford a 4 year up to 120 for a player of his production without giving up Suggs? If so, then that should be the move.

[cedric76]

Exactly! If Wizards get top 8 in 2026, and Suns get the no.1 pick, we can swap this no.1 pick!!!!

I believe this is accurate.

All the current reporting states that only the Washington/Phoenix swap is top 8 protected.

The Orlando/Phoenix swap appears to be fully unprotected.

So basically we want Phoenix to be as bad as humanly possible this upcoming season.

With Durand gone and Phoenix s contract situation, i cant see them making the play off next season in the western conference, for info this season they finished 9th in the West above Portland and San Antonio (both teams likely to get better).

So you can bet than Phoenix's pick (and Washington pick of course) will be in the 1-14 range next season

That is Valuable

[Skybox]

This, salary cap limitations will now 100% play role in what Magic can actually do in trades because flexibility is gone.

Simons, most often talked person in trades, is also UFA after this season. Good luck trying to retain him below some $25M-$30M a year, that's contract he has now.

And indeed, salary cap raises, but max contracts that were handed to Franz, and will be handed to Banchero are tied with salary cap percentage, so it's irrelevant how much salary raises.

Paolo's max starts at $42,5M.
If he makes all nba team or some other award, like Cade, it starts at $51M.

Franz starts at $38,6M, Suggs costs $35M next season.

That's why wasting 2024 off season on idiotic Isaac's front loaded contract ( $25M for 24-25) and KCP overpay ($22M for role player ) were so bad and brutal. Those moves just limited flexibility and didn't fix problems. Did the opposite really.

Jeff has wasted time, no debating that. But we’ve got to worry about now instead of past missed opportunities. He finally realizes that. This can all be fixed this offseason, we’ll see if Jeff is capable of it with no contract extension yet (which we know could go great or terribly for us when decision makers are desperate).

If we trade for Simons, we’re extending him immediately and the number will have already have been negotiated before the trade is done.

To be fair, nobody expected JI and KCP to be so bad this season. Their value is all time low and personally, I think they will have a better season ahead. Weve seen better from both. Will they be here long enough to see? TIme will tell.

What contract would simmons command? Can we afford a 4 year up to 120 for a player of his production without giving up Suggs? If so, then that should be the move.

Ben Simmons'll be lucky to get a vet min. He had a great opportunity with LAC to resurrect his career and was invisible.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Exactly! If Wizards get top 8 in 2026, and Suns get the no.1 pick, we can swap this no.1 pick!!!!

I believe this is accurate.

All the current reporting states that only the Washington/Phoenix swap is top 8 protected.

The Orlando/Phoenix swap appears to be fully unprotected.

So basically we want Phoenix to be as bad as humanly possible this upcoming season.

With Durand gone and Phoenix s contract situation, i cant see them making the play off next season in the western conference, for info this season they finished 9th in the West above Portland and San Antonio (both teams likely to get better).

So you can bet than Phoenix's pick (and Washington pick of course) will be in the 1-14 range next season

That is Valuable

agreed, so they should move it when it has possibly it's most value... now