Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[KamikazeK]

I don't suppose there's any chance we could steal the first pick from dallas? lol

[Hal14]

All this recent trade talk about WCJ and a little further Jamorant does have one thing in common, they share the same agent Mike Miller. His biggest client is probably Banchero though.

Kind of funny that Ja is a Grizzly and Paolo and WCJ are magic, since those are both teams Mike Miller played for.

[winsomme2]

All this recent trade talk about WCJ and a little further Jamorant does have one thing in common, they share the same agent Mike Miller. His biggest client is probably Banchero though.

Kind of funny that Ja is a Grizzly and Paolo and WCJ are magic, since those are both teams Mike Miller played for.

Ja could really use a change of scenery. He could have hit his ceiling due to a injury concerns and immaturity but he has another level that someone should roll the dice on IMO.

With his ball skills, if he could find the right partner and team, he could elevate back into a top tier player who performs in the playoffs too.

[Celtics_Champs]

Mahcussss Smahhttt rumored to come back in a package for Jrue, this board would go Nuclear LMAO. We Love Mahcusssssss!

Where do you see this? That would bring some laughs and debate for sure

[Celts17Pride]

I don't suppose there's any chance we could steal the first pick from dallas? lol

Only in this forum

[ConstableGeneva]

Cap experts, what's the deal with FVV's contract? Can it be dealt or not? AFAIK, non-guaranteed value of a contract can't be used for matching in today's CBA. Or is it just a team option but fully/partially guaranteed?

[fishdoctor]

Tatum to Dallas for the #1 . . . Thoughts? Is Tatum untouchable with his injury, or otherwise?

[cl2117]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

[playa-hater]

All this recent trade talk about WCJ and a little further Jamorant does have one thing in common, they share the same agent Mike Miller. His biggest client is probably Banchero though.

Kind of funny that Ja is a Grizzly and Paolo and WCJ are magic, since those are both teams Mike Miller played for.

Ja could really use a change of scenery. He could have hit his ceiling due to a injury concerns and immaturity but he has another level that someone should roll the dice on IMO.

With his ball skills, if he could find the right partner and team, he could elevate back into a top tier player who performs in the playoffs too.

Brooklyn is my first guess. They need talent and the ability to sell tickets. He does both. They have draft Ammo and Cap space. And in a good and bad way he seems like a perfect Fit for the Big apple as a backdrop.

[playa-hater]

Tatum to Dallas for the #1 . . . Thoughts? Is Tatum untouchable with his injury, or otherwise?

Tatum's injury for a "win now" team in Dallas makes it Zero chance. Would have been interesting to entertain this had Tatum been healthy. Who says No??

[djFan71]

Cap experts, what's the deal with FVV's contract? Can it be dealt or not? AFAIK, non-guaranteed value of a contract can't be used for matching in today's CBA. Or is it just a team option but fully/partially guaranteed?

Yep, club option. Has to be picked up to be traded. No partial, full $44,8M or nada.

[djFan71]

Tatum to Dallas for the #1 . . . Thoughts? Is Tatum untouchable with his injury, or otherwise?

Tatum's injury for a "win now" team in Dallas makes it Zero chance. Would have been interesting to entertain this had Tatum been healthy. Who says No??

Healthy, sure hope BOS says no as soon as they hear where the sentence is going. If not sooner.

[playa-hater]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not bad ideas. My hard sell would be the difficulty of multi-team trades like this.

[djFan71]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.

I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.

[Gant]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.

I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.

If three or more teams want Jrue Holiday- Milwaukee yes, Dallas yes, Sacramento yes, someone else yes -then you have a bidding war, which means the return will be decent.

[tfribs45]

Mahcussss Smahhttt rumored to come back in a package for Jrue, this board would go Nuclear LMAO. We Love Mahcusssssss!

Where do you see this? That would bring some laughs and debate for sure

there are a few articles not sure how credible, but interesting to say the least lol.

https://chowderandchampions.com/celtics-bring-back-marcus-smart-save-money-latest-projected-trade-01jw6ydhhfrs

[cl2117]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not bad ideas. My hard sell would be the difficulty of multi-team trades like this.

Yeah realistically it's 2-3 individually agreed deals stitched together. I think Brad's order of operations is:

1) agree deal to move Jrue
2) agree deal to move KP
3) agree deal to offload contracts we get back from 1/2.

Ideally part of the payment we receive for 1 & 2 ends up being eating salary or assets we can flip to team X to eat money, thereby achieving #3.

Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.

I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.

I vacillate between thinking we have to pay to offload both to thinking we could actually end up netting something for either, depends on the day.

I think GM's will ultimately talk themselves into Jrue. His counting stats dipping combined with age/contract are going to scare off armchair GM's, I think real ones will be able to see the on court impact is still there, but there is no denying those last two years at age 36/37 and $35/37m could end up real ugly if Jrue slows down or gets nagged by injuries. KP seems like an easy flip given his production and the lack of long-term commitment that needs to be made to him.

Together I think they should be able to land you back at least all expiring/neutral deals and some savings. The issue comes when you've then got to ditch some of those expiring to get below the line. That's a separate payment and where #28/32 etc. might start coming into play.

So I think we can get Gafford/Klay for Jrue, which is a neutral package, but if we want to dump Klay then that's going to cost a bit and Dallas I don't think will foot the bill (same w/ Milwaukee w/ Kuz and Sac with Derozan etc.).

KP can go to Vuc from the Bulls and/or Maxi/Vincent from the Lakers, but to turn either of those packages into mostly cap space will cost a bit. I think CHI/LAL should pay some/all of that given what they're sending back but depends on the ultimate price from the team eating money for assets.

But yeah I think we can get neutral/positive value for both, but even then there's a 2nd step of paying cap space/TPE/exception teams to absorb whatever we need to get below the line.

[165bows]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.

I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.

I actually feel like the real writers have been mildly positive about trade values, while the sort of click bait “hey here’s a fake trade let’s talk about it” group are less so. They trade board I don’t tend to find they have the best takes, I am confident my track record on Celtics moves have been better than the consensus there.

[hugepatsfan]

BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28

C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.

MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.

Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.

CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter

Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.

LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent

Upgrade at C for basically free

WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing

Sell cap space for a late first.

I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.

Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.

I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.

I think the problem is that a lot of people post "lazy" deals. Not CL, who posted a well thought out idea. But what happens for "casual" discussion is that people just say ok BOS needs to dump a lot of salary and one team has cap space so they get held at gunpoint to give up tons of pick value to clear it all at once". And honestly, if the front office tries to do it all in one swoop like that, they will pay through the nose.

But the smarter thing to do is these type of multi team deals and series of trades vs. one move. Like you said, KP and Holiday still have value on the court. You have to make trades that maximize that value and shave the salary off gradually. This isn't going to get done in one huge move, but non-Celtics fans on the general board and NBA-wide reporters don't usually want to sift through all of that. It's much easier to post one big deal where BOS dumps it all at once.

[Hal14]

I'd love to get PJ in the deal if we move Jrue to Dallas

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PJ is only 26. Just the right age where he's in his prime, he's already had tons of development, he's already been a solid starter on an NBA finals team.

He fits the timeline with the Jays.

He can come off the bench and be a super reserve wing for us..or you could start him (JB at the 2, JT at the 3, PJ at the 4)..PJ has even been a small ball 5 at times.

He can shoot it..not great but decently well..i bet with our coaches, we could get him shooting even better, like we did for D-white and others.

PJ is also tough, gritty, fearless, a good defender. Doesn't make a ton of $.

With Tatum missing a year with achilles surgery (we'll want to watch his minutes a bit after he comes back too) and JB possibly getting meniscus surgery..having a really solid 3rd wing would be huge.