cl2117 wrote:playa-hater wrote:cl2117 wrote:BOS in: Patrick William 3/18, Kevin Porter Jr (expiring 2.5m)
BOS out: Jrue, KP, #28
C's shave $42.5m off the books for next year taking them below the tax line with room to spare. Eating Pat Williams contract is tough but next year it doesn't matter and that summer he'll only have 2 years left at $18m which isn't bad trade ballast, especially when you can aggregate again.
MIL in: Jrue
MIL out: Kuzma, Kevin Porter Jr.
Milwaukee brings Jrue back for another go w/ Giannis.
CHI in: KP, Kuzma, Vincent (taken into TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Pat Williams, Jevon Carter
Chicago upgrade from Vucevic to KP, shave off a year of Pat Williams contract in exchange for taking on an extra $18m in payroll.
LAL in: Vucevic, Carter
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent
Upgrade at C for basically free
WAS in: Maxi (taken into NTMLE), #28
WAS out: nothing
Sell cap space for a late first.
I'm wondering if upgrading from Vuc to KP and shaving a year off Pat Williams deal is worth moving back from #12 to #18 w/Washington for Chicago. That's probably considerably more appealing to them for eating money (and you could probably have them eat even more). Ideally get some additional scraps off MIL/CHI/LAL who I think all do well here given their limited assets/options.
Not bad ideas. My hard sell would be the difficulty of multi-team trades like this.
Yeah realistically it's 2-3 individually agreed deals stitched together. I think Brad's order of operations is:
1) agree deal to move Jrue
2) agree deal to move KP
3) agree deal to offload contracts we get back from 1/2.
Ideally part of the payment we receive for 1 & 2 ends up being eating salary or assets we can flip to team X to eat money, thereby achieving #3.
djFan71 wrote:Not directly to your proposal. I appreciate the math of this and have made similar ones myself (without 28}. But more and more I’m thinking regardless of what the trade board and Cs writers are saying, both Jrue and KP have real positive value. Jrue will be by far the best player involved in this and most other proposed deals for the next 2 years, and probably the 3rd of his deal as well. Players as good as him just aren’t available that often. KP is more a roll of the dice, but no long term risk due to expiring, and huge upside.
I know the cost savings has some real value that other teams should be compensated for, and new CBA, etc, etc. But, I feel the talent upgrade of acquiring our guys seems to be vastly under valued or forgotten. think we’ll all be pleasantly surprised at what they fetch in deals.
I vacillate between thinking we have to pay to offload both to thinking we could actually end up netting something for either, depends on the day.
I think GM's will ultimately talk themselves into Jrue. His counting stats dipping combined with age/contract are going to scare off armchair GM's, I think real ones will be able to see the on court impact is still there, but there is no denying those last two years at age 36/37 and $35/37m could end up real ugly if Jrue slows down or gets nagged by injuries. KP seems like an easy flip given his production and the lack of long-term commitment that needs to be made to him.
Together I think they should be able to land you back at least all expiring/neutral deals and some savings. The issue comes when you've then got to ditch some of those expiring to get below the line. That's a separate payment and where #28/32 etc. might start coming into play.
So I think we can get Gafford/Klay for Jrue, which is a neutral package, but if we want to dump Klay then that's going to cost a bit and Dallas I don't think will foot the bill (same w/ Milwaukee w/ Kuz and Sac with Derozan etc.).
KP can go to Vuc from the Bulls and/or Maxi/Vincent from the Lakers, but to turn either of those packages into mostly cap space will cost a bit. I think CHI/LAL should pay some/all of that given what they're sending back but depends on the ultimate price from the team eating money for assets.
But yeah I think we can get neutral/positive value for both, but even then there's a 2nd step of paying cap space/TPE/exception teams to absorb whatever we need to get below the line.
