2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Black Mage]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

New Ringer big board:

1. Flagg
2. Harper.
3. Edgecombe
4. Tre
5. Knueppel
6. Bailey
7. Carter Bryant
8. Queen
9. Maluach
10. Fears

Just note; there isn't a single change/edit to the scouting reports. To me this is CBS level of just refreshing your prior "mock draft" and doing a "what-if" so you get new clicks to old content.

[the_process]

No doubt Kon will be good (atleast on offense), but even trading down to get him, in a good package, he seems like a meh pick. We are in a kinda tough spot, kinda transitioning from Embiid´s era and we need a shining new toy. I don think he´s that guy, even if we get a nice draft compensation.

We need good basketball players.

[Snotbubbles]

That Tik Tok was good. The cutting and movement shooting is potentially crazy with McCain.

Watched the Tik Tok. Was Rutgers offense just hey, run around and try and get open? His teammates were terrible too. In order to succeed at Rutgers last year, you needed to be a guy who could break you man off the dribble and get to the rim to create either your own offense or kickouts. That's obviously more of a game Harper plays than Bailey and something that he needs to work on. I don't know why these two guys didn't go to blue blood schools.

[Snotbubbles]

No doubt Kon will be good (atleast on offense), but even trading down to get him, in a good package, he seems like a meh pick. We are in a kinda tough spot, kinda transitioning from Embiid´s era and [b{we need a shining new toy.[/b] I don think he´s that guy, even if we get a nice draft compensation.

We need good basketball players.

Kon is the type of player you can either trade for or sign to a fair contract in a couple years for relatively little capital to give yourself some scoring off the bench. I put him in the Georges Niang category.

[the_process]

No doubt Kon will be good (atleast on offense), but even trading down to get him, in a good package, he seems like a meh pick. We are in a kinda tough spot, kinda transitioning from Embiid´s era and [b{we need a shining new toy.[/b] I don think he´s that guy, even if we get a nice draft compensation.

We need good basketball players.

Kon is the type of player you can either trade for or sign to a fair contract in a couple years for relatively little capital to give yourself some scoring off the bench. I put him in the Georges Niang category.

No, he's going to be much better than Niang.

[Black Mage]

Read on Twitter

This is the most compelling argument I've seen for Ace and would actually help me come to terms with him at #3 if we ended up selecting him. Acknowledges his shortcomings, gives numbers to back up his upside, gives clips to show his special moments, describes the path to becoming a very good, possibly star level player. His ability to recognize backdoor cuts and get himself open has not been talked about much on here despite it being one of his more alluring traits on offense, particularly on a team with Embiid, PG, and Maxey needing the ball. Way more willing to listen to pro-Ace takes like this.

I have such a hard time watching that video when the dude has a reverse Adolf stache going, can't....look.... away.

[Black Mage]

Read on Twitter

This is the most compelling argument I've seen for Ace and would actually help me come to terms with him at #3 if we ended up selecting him. Acknowledges his shortcomings, gives numbers to back up his upside, gives clips to show his special moments, describes the path to becoming a very good, possibly star level player. His ability to recognize backdoor cuts and get himself open has not been talked about much on here despite it being one of his more alluring traits on offense, particularly on a team with Embiid, PG, and Maxey needing the ball. Way more willing to listen to pro-Ace takes like this.

Have you not read anything I've written? I said Ace had really good awareness on offense and could catch and movement and make cuts. No one apparently listened.

[Negrodamus]

No doubt Kon will be good (atleast on offense), but even trading down to get him, in a good package, he seems like a meh pick. We are in a kinda tough spot, kinda transitioning from Embiid´s era and [b{we need a shining new toy.[/b] I don think he´s that guy, even if we get a nice draft compensation.

We need good basketball players.

Kon is the type of player you can either trade for or sign to a fair contract in a couple years for relatively little capital to give yourself some scoring off the bench. I put him in the Georges Niang category.

Tyler Herro:
6' 4.5'' height w/o shoes
6' 3.25'' W/S
8' 4.5'' Standing reach

Kon Knueppel:
6' 5.00'' height w/o shoes
6' 6.25'' W/S
8' 5.50'' Standing reach

I know Herro might not be the home run swing, but he's definitely better than a Georges Niang. Watched quite a bit of Knueppel today and I have to say, he's a presence on defense. He's not a total lockdown defender, but he stays in front of his guy and provides a decent resistance on the way to the rim.

The main part that throws me with Knueppel is that he had like 1 dunk all year. Other than that, I see a pathway to being a high level offensive player at the next level. He's too smart and crafty to not be.

[Snotbubbles]

We need good basketball players.

Kon is the type of player you can either trade for or sign to a fair contract in a couple years for relatively little capital to give yourself some scoring off the bench. I put him in the Georges Niang category.

No, he's going to be much better than Niang.

We'll see. I don't think so.

[Black Mage]

Kon is the guy whose tape I love. He always stood out during my Duke watches this year. I think they lost the last game because they went away from him imo.

Just don't know if you can hide him on defense and I wish we was a bit taller and more capable of playing the 3. Him skipping testing was smart lol because if he can hold up on defense (never will be a stopper of course ) then that kinda makes him the pick in terms of what we need skillset wise. He's kinda like a bigger McCain in a sense.

Bodner in his big board show said Kon will need to be hidden on defense. That's great! So he can go hide in the closet with Maxey and McCain and we'll just have 2 guys on the floor playing defense against 5.

I was so disappointed in Bodner admitting you need to hide Kon on defense. In today's NBA if you can't be passable in defense you're not in a playoff rotation. The only way you are is if you're at the level of a Dame Lillard or James Harden who both score and set the table for the rest of the team at HOF levels of skill. That's the kind of player Kon would need to become if he's going to be a defensive liability.

[sodmoraes]

Only watched Kon highlights, so legit question: what makes him a much better prospect than Kennard? Besides the lazy both white guys comp, both were prety good shooters( but with limited shooting off the dribble), with subpar athleticism, kinda small to play sf, so both may have a hard time defending at the sg position. If we dont pick Bailey i would prefer Tre 100%( or even Edge), just another stratosphere as a shotmaker( off the dribble), with good size and athletic abilitys( altough it may not be that functional). Nipples screams roleplayer to me, like 3rd best player on a contender. Tre can be a Booker kinda player with his ceiling.

[Black Mage]

That Tik Tok was good. The cutting and movement shooting is potentially crazy with McCain.

Watched the Tik Tok. Was Rutgers offense just hey, run around and try and get open? His teammates were terrible too. In order to succeed at Rutgers last year, you needed to be a guy who could break you man off the dribble and get to the rim to create either your own offense or kickouts. That's obviously more of a game Harper plays than Bailey and something that he needs to work on. I don't know why these two guys didn't go to blue blood schools.

It wasn't even "run around and try and get open." It was literally "run around like your head got cut off and you can't see where you're going or who is around you."

It's hard to put into words just how bad those teammates were and how awful the coaching was in terms of not bothering to call or run a single play. It was literally Dylan and Ace go figure it out if you can.

[Jailblazers7]

Only watched Kon highlights, so legit question: what makes him a much better prospect than Kennard? Besides the lazy both white guys comp, both were prety good shooters( but with limited shooting off the dribble), with subpar athleticism, kinda small to play sf, so both may have a hard time defending at the sg position. If we dont pick Bailey i would prefer Tre 100%( or even Edge), just another stratosphere as a shotmaker( off the dribble), with good size and athletic abilitys( altough it may not be that functional). Nipples screams roleplayer to me, like 3rd best player on a contender. Tre can be a Booker kinda player with his ceiling.

Kon is 20lbs heavier and has a 3 inch advantage for his standing reach vs. Kennard so their physical profiles are pretty different. Compare their freshman stats too and Kon blows him out of the water.

[Negrodamus]

Only watched Kon highlights, so legit question: what makes him a much better prospect than Kennard? Besides the lazy both white guys comp, both were prety good shooters( but with limited shooting off the dribble), with subpar athleticism, kinda small to play sf, so both may have a hard time defending at the sg position. If we dont pick Bailey i would prefer Tre 100%( or even Edge), just another stratosphere as a shotmaker( off the dribble), with good size and athletic abilitys( altough it may not be that functional). Nipples screams roleplayer to me, like 3rd best player on a contender. Tre can be a Booker kinda player with his ceiling.

The difference between Tre and Kon is you're betting on Tre's length (6'10) helping him translate into defense potential at the next level over Kon's high effort and solid defensive stats in college. I felt Kon's eye test on defense was much better than Tre, but it wasn't as if he was going to be a major difference maker on that end in the NBA.

On offense, Tre was handed the keys and he let it fly from everywhere (and at a pretty good clip given the circumstances). Kon played his role on a stacked team and shot mind boggling percentages, particularly to end the year with even some stretches without Cooper Flagg; won the ACC tournament without him. On this end, you're betting on Tre's shotmaking ability from the perimeter and midrange translating over Kon's three level elite FG percentages and PnR passing. Kon struggled with shots off the dribble while that was Tre's forte. But Tre was useless at the rim and didn't really draw fouls.

[Negrodamus]

https://bsky.app/profile/franciszomes.bsky.social/post/3lq5ohmtd7k2n

I don't know what kind of sources Russillo, Bill, or Hollinger have when it comes to the draft.

[Negrodamus]

And let me get this out of the way before it becomes reality: I'd be 100% on board with taking Dylan Harper and won't make any polarizing arguments to the contrary.

[Jojothewhale]

To me, Kon is partially a fit discussion too. I’m more concerned about his defense the more he has to cover Wings. Like here.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

And let me get this out of the way before it becomes reality: I'd be 100% on board with taking Dylan Harper and won't make any polarizing arguments to the contrary.

Same. If he's somehow there at three.

[youngcrev]

That Tik Tok was good. The cutting and movement shooting is potentially crazy with McCain.

Watched the Tik Tok. Was Rutgers offense just hey, run around and try and get open? His teammates were terrible too. In order to succeed at Rutgers last year, you needed to be a guy who could break you man off the dribble and get to the rim to create either your own offense or kickouts. That's obviously more of a game Harper plays than Bailey and something that he needs to work on. I don't know why these two guys didn't go to blue blood schools.

It wasn't even "run around and try and get open." It was literally "run around like your head got cut off and you can't see where you're going or who is around you."

It's hard to put into words just how bad those teammates were and how awful the coaching was in terms of not bothering to call or run a single play. It was literally Dylan and Ace go figure it out if you can.

Isn't that what Nurse runs?

[eyeatoma]

No one is worried about Harper's bad 3pt shooting? Underwhelming athleticsm or shades of Fultz?

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