Is there a feasible way to get Markkanen to the Spurs?

[louc1970]

Trying to see if it is possible with a 2 or 3 team trade to get Markkanen to the Spurs.

Financially, Markkanen and #5 and #21 for Vassell, Johnson, #2 and #14 works. Feels light for Utah.
It does mean Utah is the hook for Vassell's 4-year deal. The upside is Utah gets a young PG in Harper to start the rebuild.
A better deal has to be available.

At #5 SAS could reach back and take Knueppel (too high), Spurs can hope Edgecombe or Bailey falls to them at #5. Or perhaps trade back again and pick up an extra pick with Atlanta, Brooklyn.

[HadAnEffectHere]

This is way too much for Markkanen. He's worth an expiring and the 14 pick.

Barnes, Keldon Johnson, and 14 is a fine value for Markkanen based on just how terribly he played last season.

Obviously the Jazz will not do this because this would be a humiliation for them and show that they ruined their returns from the Mitchell and Gobert trade.

Markkanen missed 35 games last year due to back injuries and being willing to throw games, is on a 28%+ contract, and had a -0.3 (!!!) BPM last year. He's not a valuable player right now.

[hugepatsfan]

I think there very obviously is. Vassell/Johnson is palatable salary filler (or can substitute Barnes for one if Utah prefers savings over somone to maybe flip later) and SA has lots of draft capital. The #5 for #2 swap could be an option. So is #14 and future capital (though Utah might prefer future picks instead of #14 even because of their roster overload of developmental guys).

I think "feasible" is probably understatement of the year here. If SA wants Lauri and Utah is willing to move him, feels like something that absolutely would happen.

[Texas Chuck]

Obviously there is a feasible way if the real-life Spurs want him and the real-life Jazz are willing to trade him. Spurs have way more than enough value, plenty of matching contracts that work, and all levels of assets.

On this board? Spurs fans tend to be really high on all their stuff. Jazz fans a bit more mixed, but mostly higher on Lauri's value on the board. So I suspect you will find little common ground.

But yeah, in real-life if both teams are motivated a 2 team deal is trivially easy to construct.

[Jojothewhale]

I would have that as significantly light for San Antonio, so I’ll be interested to see how that difference gets explained by others.

I’m guessing it’s just a simple issue of some people wanting or being willing to give previous contract value for Lauri.

[Texas Chuck]

I would have that as significantly light for San Antonio, so I’ll be interested to see how that difference gets explained by others.

I would start by wondering what the OP is really trying to achieve. If its Lauri to the Spurs, start by taking #2 out and then it becomes much easier. If the goal is actually to get #2 to Utah, then start by taking out Lauri and adding future value and it becomes much easier(obviously dependent on if the Spurs are willing to deal out).

This feels like 2 different ideas jammed together unnecessarily. But going by the title, I'm operating under assumption its about Markkanen, so just take out the high picks and hammer out a deal.

[Bornstellar]

There is no way the Spurs are trading the #2 pick for Markkanen. Remove the #2/#5 swap and maybe. But including the #2 pick is a non-starter. Markkanen does not have that value

[jayjaysee]

For the OP, it seems very easy to get Lauri to SAS. Whether it’s 14 and the 2027 Atl pick. Or just one do them. And contracts are easy to match.

For the OP’s trade idea..

Taking out 14/21 and adding a future first from Utah to SAS feels right if SAS is actually open to moving Harper. And if SAS wants to use Barnes instead of Vassell for some reason, let them.

[pad300]

I actually suspect that the answer is no. It's not that SAS can't afford it, but they won't want too. It's a capspace issue. Wemby's obviously going to get a 30% supermax, Fox will be getting a big extension (at least 25%, and probably closer to 30%). Adding Markannen's deal would pretty much tie up their maneuvering room, and if I was SAS'a GM, I wouldn't do that for the Markannen we saw last year...

[pipfan]

Fox to Miami
Mark to SA
Rozier/DRobinson/#20/2030 unprotected 1st to Utah
Miami gets their PG
SA goes with Harper/Castle/Vassell backcourt
Utah goes full tank again and clears a TON of future $

[SkyHook]

I see little point in the Jazz moving up to #2:

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

I think that Markannen is one of the hardest players to build a trade around now. His trade value has decreased in the last twelve months—drastically on this board, uncertain as to what extent in front offices around the league—and you can't really blame anyone on the outside for thinking this way. According to available reports in the media, Utah wants to keep him long-term; the R+E deal they signed him to last summer kept him from being traded at all for a year (by mutual consent of Lauri and the team) and its size makes it much harder to build a deal than before. If the intent was to trade him, I think it's far less likely that R+E happens (or that it wouldn't have been for the max that they could have given him). His value to Utah likely hasn't seen much change, I wouldn't expect them to agree to a deal at a lower valuation. We'll see.

[One_and_Done]

There is no Lauri trade that both the Spurs and Danny Ainge would accept. Now if Ainge is fired? Maybe.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Of course, there is a feasible way. San Antonio has more than enough assets.

[Chinook]

I don't know that the Spurs even want Markkanen. His contract is not good. It was one thing when he was going to be the second star. For a third star, it's very questionable.

[RoyceDa59]

I have this gut feeling San Antonio won’t trade the second overall pick. Pairing Harper with Wemby is a dream come true.

[louc1970]

I would have that as significantly light for San Antonio, so I’ll be interested to see how that difference gets explained by others.

I would start by wondering what the OP is really trying to achieve. If its Lauri to the Spurs, start by taking #2 out and then it becomes much easier. If the goal is actually to get #2 to Utah, then start by taking out Lauri and adding future value and it becomes much easier(obviously dependent on if the Spurs are willing to deal out).

This feels like 2 different ideas jammed together unnecessarily. But going by the title, I'm operating under assumption its about Markkanen, so just take out the high picks and hammer out a deal.

Rephrase - what is fair that lands Markkanen in SA.?

[SkyHook]

I would have that as significantly light for San Antonio, so I’ll be interested to see how that difference gets explained by others.

I would start by wondering what the OP is really trying to achieve. If its Lauri to the Spurs, start by taking #2 out and then it becomes much easier. If the goal is actually to get #2 to Utah, then start by taking out Lauri and adding future value and it becomes much easier(obviously dependent on if the Spurs are willing to deal out).

This feels like 2 different ideas jammed together unnecessarily. But going by the title, I'm operating under assumption its about Markkanen, so just take out the high picks and hammer out a deal.

Rephrase - what is fair that lands Markkanen in SA.?

There is no definitive "fair", it's all relative. Different teams have different valuations. It's why most proposed trades never happen.

[AingesBurner]

This is way too much for Markkanen. He's worth an expiring and the 14 pick.

Barnes, Keldon Johnson, and 14 is a fine value for Markkanen based on just how terribly he played last season.

Obviously the Jazz will not do this because this would be a humiliation for them and show that they ruined their returns from the Mitchell and Gobert trade.

Markkanen missed 35 games last year due to back injuries and being willing to throw games, is on a 28%+ contract, and had a -0.3 (!!!) BPM last year. He's not a valuable player right now.

Really dumb take.

[AingesBurner]

I don’t think that Utah and San Antonio are natural trade partners. I could see us trading with Philly before San Antonio.

[Daddy 801]

Could the Spurs land Lauri, yes.

Should the Spurs get Lauri, yes.

Will the overall takes of what Lauri could provide for the Spurs and his overall value be given any real chance to say yes to a deal on this forum happening, no.

So it could happen, but the consensus on here would be the Spurs overpayed. And when he fits in like a glove and they are making deep playoff runs and Lauri is helping the spacing and weak side defense the GM’s on here would say Ainge or Utah was stupid to make the trade.

If I was the Spurs I would be shopping for Giannis. If that falls through I am going after Lauri. He would be such a good fit it’s silly, but people will hate on the idea. No I am not saying Lauri is anywhere near the player Giannis is. But Lauri and his spacing would provide an element that even Giannis would not provide. The Spurs playing five out with Wemby and Lauri shooting threes would be insane. Fox would have an allstar season and people would think he became a new type of player when all that happened was he was given a new offensive system that allows him to get to the rack with ease.

Teams would have a nightmare scenario to choose from on the scouting report. Play drop big…..good luck you are going to get cooked from three. Play man to man, good luck Fox is getting to the rack. Anytime they sag Wemby, Fox, or Lauri is getting open looks. If they play man to man or zone Fox is getting layups.

And that’s not to count the additions to the Spurs because I think the Spurs have enough assets to get Lauri and keep Harper coming onto the team. Utah can wait on those Atlanta picks and/or whatever else they send to Utah.

But the haters will say Lauri is overpayed, he had a down season, etc. If a GM isn’t smart enough to see a team is tanking and purposely did not play a guy who was just an allstar who can make it rain from three when played in the right system that person should not be a GM. The Jazz got fined for sitting Lauri….are we really so blind as to not see what Utah did? This is a classic buy low proposition. It’s a no brainer.