PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[Besart19]

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Lmaooo GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has lost it completely

Rick Brunson shouldnt run our team in any position, way or circumstance...

Giannis should be our PG and Brunson our SG to start of after we fire Thomas Thibs first

Then we shall see what can we do better

[K_ick_God]

I'm not done.

He actually blames turnovers like it's unrelated to his terrible coaching and the lack of offense.

I'm not saying we win if Mitch doesn't start, but it didn't help matters. Then again they were carving up KAT at center lineups pretty good at the end. They played like a G7.

But -20 is really bad because he stayed with Mitch for the majority of 1st and 3rd quarter starts.

Also, while I don't think we win the game most likely no matter what, that play VERY EARLY where we are playing well, making a comeback and Mikal takes that weak fadeaway that wasn't even close ... brilliant JB passing to him like he's a good finisher or has numbers, neither of which was true at the time

Not exactly baring your teeth by showing the other team early, when you're on a run, how pathetic you can really be

That one shot sums up his whole season -- he has been atrocious and I don't care if you gave up 10 picks for him, you get rid of him at all costs

Leading to my final point here: People like Tom could see Deuce play well 10x in a row and Bridges be awful the same 10x in a row, and he won't change. What Mikal makes and the hype around him as a player (which is obviously totally false and fake) means Tom will never change ... "We have to get value from Mikal, he's paid so much"

It's called Sunken Cost and is how idiotic people make decisions

[Kidknick!]

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Lmaooo GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check him for Dementia.

[ctorres]

I'm not giving up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teams_that_have_overcome_3%E2%80%931_series_deficits

3-1 deficit is hard to overcome, but it has been done

Nah man

We finally get to watch the Knicks play in the ECF after 25 years and y'all are already predisposed to losing Game 5 in MSG?

Eff that

It was a 6 point game with 3:51 to go

Watch tape, figure out what happened those last 4 minutes and go from there.

These games are meant to be close. We lost a close one.

Knicks don't quit. We don't quit.

[WaltFrazier]

Does OG + Mikal get us Giannis?

Plus McBride.

They can give us Gary Trent Jr.

I don't know if that fixes anything. We really are going to need to figure out if Brunson or KAT can play together. I had a doomed feeling when Thibs trotted out the KAT, Brunson, Hart, OG, and Mikal lineup again.

It feels like Thibs' best play this series has been get 4 defenders, spread the floor. Give the ball to the guy at the top of the key. Iso. Of course, he's only allowed to do that for 5 minutes or something.

So either the Knicks going to need to fire the coach and hope that works...or we trade one of Brunson and KAT. Oh and we need to see if Mikal can be salvaged.

Yeah I'd like a new coach to fix the offense but I'm not sure any coach can fix the D with JB and KAT together

[Enzo954]

Carlisle is a great coach. Every game this series he's got his players causing us to constantly switch and we look like clowns out there trying to play catch up. Thibs getting totally outcoached.

[ezmoney707]

Poor defensive game aside 2 possession game in the end of game, they take care of the ball better before that they probably win this game. I’m not about to play blame game on this one, everyone had a share in what went wrong.

[mpharris36]

Last year was a 7 game series with the Pacers

This year might be a fiver.

After all those trades , money, and picks spent.... I would not be totally surprised if Leon Rose is in the hotseat and not just Thibs

Less is more vs the pacers...you best lineups have one scoring threat and multiple defenders out there...that is how you beat them because they will give up good looks...the key is getting stops vs them and then attacking them on offense.

[dakomish23]

Down 11 season on the line we only outscore IND by 2 in the 4th, 30-28

[Red Vines]

KAT's knees are a ticking time bomb with his reckless drives, we need to protect ourselves somehow.

[Kidknick!]

I'm not done.

He actually bllames turnovers like it's unrelated to his terrible coaching and the lack of offense.

I'm not saying we win if Mitch doesn't start, but it didn't help matters. Then again they were carving up KAT at center lineups pretty good at the end. They played like a G7.

But -20 is really bad because he stayed with Mitch for the majority of 1st and 3rd quarter starts.

Also, while I don't think we win the game most likely no matter what, that play where we are playing well, making a comeback and Mikal takes that weak fadeaway that wasn't even close ...

Not exactly bearing your teeth by showing the other team early, when you're on a run, how pathetic you can really be

That one shot sums up his whole season -- he has been atrocious and I don't care if you gave up 10 pick for him, you get rid of him at all costs

Leading to my final point here: People like Tom could see Deuce play well 10x in a row and Bridges be awful the same 10x in a row, and he won't change. What Mikal makes and the hype around him as a player (which is obviously totally false and fake) means Tom will never change ... "We have to get value for Mikal, he's paid so much"

It's called Sunken Cost and is how idiotic people make decisions

Again, these are Fizdale level delusional quotes. Mike Woodson with this team could beat the Pacers. I'd bet my life on it.

[Meat]

Indiana is not the better team, let's make one thing clear.

Thibs & Nova gave this game away.

coach is part of the team too, so yeah they're probably better

[djsunyc]

regardless of who is coaching, they have their hands full trying to defend with brunson amd kat at the 1 and 5. briges, hart and og are killing themselves trying to cover for them.

[Stannis]

Does OG + Mikal get us Giannis?

Plus McBride.

They can give us Gary Trent Jr.

Doubtful . Not even sure OG, Mikal, McBride and whatever picks + swaps we have left will get us Giannis

Knicks prob the only team that rates Mikal so highly if we bring honest.

[KnicksGadfly]

Plus McBride.

They can give us Gary Trent Jr.

I don't know if that fixes anything. We really are going to need to figure out if Brunson or KAT can play together. I had a doomed feeling when Thibs trotted out the KAT, Brunson, Hart, OG, and Mikal lineup again.

It feels like Thibs' best play this series has been get 4 defenders, spread the floor. Give the ball to the guy at the top of the key. Iso. Of course, he's only allowed to do that for 5 minutes or something.

So either the Knicks going to need to fire the coach and hope that works...or we trade one of Brunson and KAT. Oh and we need to see if Mikal can be salvaged.

Yeah I'd like a new coach to fix the offense but I'm not sure any coach can fix the D with JB and KAT together

Yah...it might need to be the coach. It's not just Brunson or KAT. We gotta figure out if Mikal really is this bad...that's a 5 pick investment. We shouldn't be trading guys for cheap if we're misusing them. To be fair, you have no idea if Thibs is misusing them or not, but you can't trade guys away for cheap.

[Capn'O]

You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.

I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.

[Worst_to_First]

You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.

He needs a coach that will hold him accountable and channel his aggression in scoring into setting up his teammates better.

We might have to get his dad out of the coaching staff.

JB should be relegated to #2 option in the first three quarters with KAT as #1. After winning Game 3, when Thibs said in the interview that he is simply looking at who gets hot when asked about KAT's performance, I knew we were cooked. There are some people in the team that you have to get going first. KAT's scoring takes out the wind of the opponents more. If I were the opposing team, I would be happy seeing JB continuously pound the ball and get his attempts up while the rest of the team remains stagnant and cold.

KAT still makes the right plays even when he has the focal point in offense and make sure his teammates are involved. So I think JB could still end getting his scoring up even with a KAT-centric offense. Then of course, JB has more energy when he activates his god mode in the clutch and becomes the best player in the league.

[Kidknick!]

Carlisle is a great coach. Every game this series he's got his players causing us to constantly switch and we look like clowns out there trying to play catch up. Thibs getting totally outcoached.

Outside of many incredible individual efforts, he's been getting out coached every series. Bickerstaff didn't have the talent, Mazulla fell victim to his own hubris. Carlisle is a championship coach. Thibs is a joke.

[Besart19]

Does OG + Mikal get us Giannis?

Giannis plus Lopez or Portis

[nyknicks09]

Does OG + Mikal get us Giannis?

Plus McBride.

They can give us Gary Trent Jr.

I don't know if that fixes anything. We really are going to need to figure out if Brunson or KAT can play together. I had a doomed feeling when Thibs trotted out the KAT, Brunson, Hart, OG, and Mikal lineup again.

It feels like Thibs' best play this series has been get 4 defenders, spread the floor. Give the ball to the guy at the top of the key. Iso. Of course, he's only allowed to do that for 5 minutes or something.

So either the Knicks going to need to fire the coach and hope that works...or we trade one of Brunson and KAT. Oh and we need to see if Mikal can be salvaged.

I wouldn’t trade JB or KAT. We need a head coach who can coach JB to pass the ball. He did it on the 4th quarter and KAT was passing the ball back n forth with him creating space and plays for everyone. Moving the ball does a lot of good things off screens and turnovers. The Knicks don’t do that enough and head coach doesn’t encourage JB to make those passes. How many times has KAT been opened while JB doesn’t look his way to pass?

Hold your players accountable.