eyriq wrote:You're framing a false dichotomy, as if it’s either heliocentric guard play or bust. In reality, the wing-hub model isn’t predicated on isolations or pounding the air out of the ball; it’s about leveraging size, versatility, and multi-level scoring to distort defenses from different angles.VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:
A two-wing hub offense is a strategic advantage, not a flaw, especially in a league dominated by heliocentric guard play. Most defenses are built to contain high-usage guards; leaning into Franz and Paolo’s versatility forces different matchup problems and diversifies shot creation. You don’t neuter that by jamming in a ball-dominant guard, you elevate it with complementary guard play that enhances flow without rerouting the offense through one predictable point.
Cmon man.
People need to come to terms with the fact that Paolo and Franz are not playmakers in the sense that they improve the rest of the team. They are individual playmaking scorers in isolation. Flawed ones at that.
This idea that they have some kind of advantage comes entirely under the belief that the perfect roster surrounds them in order for it to work. It doesn’t exist here. We aren’t 285 pages into a trade thread looking for answers if what you are claiming was working.
Weltman’s experiment lasted one season under this belief and it backfired in his face. We know this because KCP was his acquisition and that logically means he directly meant to keep the ball in Paolo/Franz hands instead of getting a point guard. Now he is telling the media he is going to be active in finding help on offense…
I dont understand how people come away with this idea that Paolo or Franz cannot be mismatches for defenses without needing to pound the air out of the ball while taking impossibly difficult shots.
They need to get into easier scoring positions and that doesn’t happen unless you are running action to offset defenses from the perimeter. They aren’t able to do that right now because they aren’t consistent from outside and the offense is predictable.
The problem isn’t Paolo and Franz initiating, it’s how we structure the offense around them. Better spacing, sharper off-ball movement, and more secondary creation relieve pressure without needing to hand the keys to a 30% usage guard. We’re not asking Paolo or Franz to be heliocentric engines like Jokic or Luka. The value is in shared responsibility: Paolo and Franz split the playmaking load, which keeps defenses guessing and reduces wear on either one.
Not really.
I'm just taking what you are saying to the next logical conclusion.
Orlando doesn't have the structured offense to put around them for it to be successful as others have explained. Why do you think the last 200 pages of this thread are talking specifically about acquiring guards that shoot and move offense?
You do NOT need heliocentric guard play. You need competent guard play that Paolo and Franz can feed off. They need to be able to catch and shoot or catch and 1-3 dribble finish. They do not need to operate in space as they are 90% of the time. Orlando doesn't have the pieces around them for that to be efficient. Not only that, but they have not shown a consistent increase in 3pt % and volume enough to emulate this idea that people love here for some reason.
You are basically saying "this is the idea that I like to see from Paolo and Franz... I havent seen it yet and we need extremely specific players for it to actually work efficiently"... yeah my guy... theres a reason why you havent seen it work. It wont.
