2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[DayofMourning]

I like your previous plan of only playing him in the 4th quarters lol we enter up 20 and he sustains the lead so we don’t blow 20+ double digit leads again next year

Let him be our closer. Our worst roster flaw is not having a guy who can be doubled and still get his or open up the offense. That rears its head as soon as the game tightens up. We need a guy who can keep us loose.

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

Those moves by current Heat players are shot at a .153 clip. We just cant. We r easy 2 defend in the clutch.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine if we could have traded Butler for a package of Vassell, Keldon Johnson, and pick. I would have taken that all day. Two young mid 20’s players and a pick would have felt like hitting the lotto. We ended up with Wiggins, KA, and 20th pick. This is why I think the Spurs balk at that package for Durant. The much more cost effective option for them is Cam Johnson.

TBH Davion Mitchell and Wiggins is as good from a talent and impact perspective as Vassell and Keldon Johnson. And Vassell is on a Wiggins contract thru 2029

It feels premature to give up on Wiggins considering what he was able to do with the Warriors championship on both ends of the floor but man he is a very frustrating player and I hated his entire Heat stint this year from the way he was used and his demeanor. You do have to wonder though if you land KD or someone, from what we’ve seen on the Warriors he’s a perfect complementary piece to a build like that (if that’s how he’s used) and is a supercharged Nesmith/Nembhard/Caruso lower level Jalen Williams or however you want to view him on a true championship team as we’ve seen.

Id be curious to see what route they go with a build like that though. Do you start Ware and continue to run the PG position by committee or do you start Mitchell and bench Ware and run Mitchell/Herro/Wiggins/KD/Bam?

[DayofMourning]

Imagine if we could have traded Butler for a package of Vassell, Keldon Johnson, and pick. I would have taken that all day. Two young mid 20’s players and a pick would have felt like hitting the lotto. We ended up with Wiggins, KA, and 20th pick. This is why I think the Spurs balk at that package for Durant. The much more cost effective option for them is Cam Johnson.

TBH Davion Mitchell and Wiggins is as good from a talent and impact perspective as Vassell and Keldon Johnson. And Vassell is on a Wiggins contract thru 2029

It feels premature to give up on Wiggins considering what he was able to do with the Warriors championship on both ends of the floor but man he is a very frustrating player and I hated his entire Heat stint this year from the way he was used and his demeanor. You do have to wonder though if you land KD or someone, from what we’ve seen on the Warriors he’s a perfect complementary piece to a build like that (if that’s how he’s used) and is a supercharged Nesmith/Nembhard/Caruso lower level Jalen Williams or however you want to view him on a true championship team as we’ve seen.

Id be curious to see what route they go with a build like that though. Do you start Ware and continue to run the PG position by committee or do you start Mitchell and bench Ware and run Mitchell/Herro/Wiggins/KD/Bam?

Think those lower body injuries sapped him of his athleticism. He had games where he looked bouncy and then Heat culture injuries popped up. His calves. JJJs hammies. Bam being gassed. Who is next on the fatigued player list?

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Ware C Free agent C Love
PF Bam PF Jovic or O’Neale?
SF Durant SF Larrson
SG Herro SG Levert
PG Brogden or Paul PG Mitchell PG 20th pick

Just spitballing a potential roster construction could look like

[Lennyzinho]

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We need a Nesmith on the perimeter, it was supposed to be Wiggins. Need a high level playmaking PG. Need a true 1st option. We’ll see what Pat is cooking up

Im glad you came around on your own with this.
Calling mathurin the 2nd or 3rd banana over siakam and nesmith was wild to me a few posts ago. Hes in the third tier with turner and nembhard. Mathurin had his first good game of the Knicks series last night.

Nesmith single handedly carried that team in the 4th game 2. And if he doesnt roll his ankle in the second half of game 3 and miss time, the Pacers would've swept the knicks. When he left the game to get his ankle taped the Knicks went on a huge run and when he came back when the game was tied, momentum had completely shifted for new york.

All in all we aren't getting either. I see no reason why pacers wouldn't run it back. If they trade anyone it'll be cuz someone overpaid for a player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We need a Nesmith on the perimeter, it was supposed to be Wiggins. Need a high level playmaking PG. Need a true 1st option. We’ll see what Pat is cooking up

Im glad you came around on your own with this.
Calling mathurin the 2nd or 3rd banana over siakam and nesmith was wild to me a few posts ago. Hes in the third tier with turner and nembhard. Mathurin had his first good game of the Knicks series last night.

Nesmith single handedly carried that team in the 4th game 2. And if he doesnt roll his ankle in the second half of game 3 and miss time, the Pacers would've swept the knicks. When he left the game to get his ankle taped the Knicks went on a huge run and when he came back when the game was tied, momentum had completely shifted for new york.

All in all we aren't getting either. I see no reason why pacers wouldn't run it back. If they trade anyone it'll be cuz someone overpaid for a player.

Haha no not saying he IS their 2nd or 3rd best player. He has had a bad playoffs and he and Rick don’t see eye to eye clearly and from what I’ve gathered never have. I’m saying from a talent perspective he’s insanely talented and has all the tools to be a very good player in this league. I think he’s one of those guys who switches teams and blossoms. I think Nembhard and Nesmith provide what that team needs more than Mathurin does in the starting lineup. I also think his ego is a little too big for his own good and has kept him from 100% buying into his current role.

I LOVE Nesmith, he’s a Heat guy through and through. I can probably dig up some old posts of me gassing him up on the Celtics or something I’d I had to guess

[oreon]

I like your previous plan of only playing him in the 4th quarters lol we enter up 20 and he sustains the lead so we don’t blow 20+ double digit leads again next year

Let him be our closer. Our worst roster flaw is not having a guy who can be doubled and still get his or open up the offense. That rears its head as soon as the game tightens up. We need a guy who can keep us loose.

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

So could have PHX

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Holy **** get Nesmith to Miami and we’ll turn him into a real player

May 17th 2022 for you Lenny lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Let him be our closer. Our worst roster flaw is not having a guy who can be doubled and still get his or open up the offense. That rears its head as soon as the game tightens up. We need a guy who can keep us loose.

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

So could have PHX

They did and you all have been presented the numbers and record several times now, I don’t know why you all keep ignoring them.

[RexBoyWonder]

I know a lot of their fans prefer that route and don’t want the pressure of winning it all on them yet. I disagree and think it’ll only make them better now and in the long term but I see their side too. Must be nice to have the option of developing elite youth without the pressure of winning a championship or with the pressure of winning a championship lol

Spurs are in a great situation. Either direction they choose makes sense.

Its something when you can do a rebuild tank AND get lotto pick production from teams like Atlanta.

They moved on from Murray at the right time.

Same as OKC did with George and Westbrook.

Not like us and Jimmy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I know a lot of their fans prefer that route and don’t want the pressure of winning it all on them yet. I disagree and think it’ll only make them better now and in the long term but I see their side too. Must be nice to have the option of developing elite youth without the pressure of winning a championship or with the pressure of winning a championship lol

Spurs are in a great situation. Either direction they choose makes sense.

Its something when you can do a rebuild tank AND get lotto pick production from teams like Atlanta.

They moved on from Murray at the right time.

Same as OKC did with George and Westbrook.

Not like us and Jimmy.

We were 7-8 months too late on Jimmy. Philly was ready to send assets for him and the Knicks reached out for Jimmy before the bridges trade and we turned them down.

[RexBoyWonder]

Let him be our closer. Our worst roster flaw is not having a guy who can be doubled and still get his or open up the offense. That rears its head as soon as the game tightens up. We need a guy who can keep us loose.

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

Durant is definitely the archetype this team needs that allows Bam and Herro to slide back into elite complimentary roles.

Not really, Bam and Herro need someone who not only scores before them, but that will create advantages for them.

Trey Young would really help them both on offense, KD isn't really that good a creator for others.

[twix2500]

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

So could have PHX

They did and you all have been presented the numbers and record several times now, I don’t know why you all keep ignoring them.

3rd and 5th seed? That's not worth getting Durant

[DayofMourning]

I know a lot of their fans prefer that route and don’t want the pressure of winning it all on them yet. I disagree and think it’ll only make them better now and in the long term but I see their side too. Must be nice to have the option of developing elite youth without the pressure of winning a championship or with the pressure of winning a championship lol

Spurs are in a great situation. Either direction they choose makes sense.

Its something when you can do a rebuild tank AND get lotto pick production from teams like Atlanta.

They moved on from Murray at the right time.

Same as OKC did with George and Westbrook.

Not like us and Jimmy.

Could say that about us now with Bam and Herro. If theyre not upper echelon stars, can we afford to continue to make them our pillars?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So could have PHX

They did and you all have been presented the numbers and record several times now, I don’t know why you all keep ignoring them.

3rd and 5th seed? That's not worth getting Durant

I’m basing it off our current record this year compared to the games we blew.

But even if so why not? We went to the finals as the 8th seed and I believe the 5th? It’s more about matchups and staying healthy. Pacers are about to make the finals as the 4th seed. East is wide open.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

Durant is definitely the archetype this team needs that allows Bam and Herro to slide back into elite complimentary roles.

Not really, Bam and Herro need someone who not only scores before them, but that will create advantages for them.

Trey Young would really help them both on offense, KD isn't really that good a creator for others.

I would love Trae or Ja, I have an idea of how to really build this team out but the FO is too stubborn and ill get in trouble for discussing it so I’ll let it rest for now lol

[oreon]

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This is elite “late game throw the ball to your superstar and tell them to get a bucket” offense. We would’ve been fighting for a 3-5 seed with someone like this to stabilize us in the 4th and hold onto big leads.

So could have PHX

They did and you all have been presented the numbers and record several times now, I don’t know why you all keep ignoring them.

Ignoring what ? They had a worse record than we did. KD played 62 games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We already have our Hali stoppers for next seasons ECF.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So could have PHX

They did and you all have been presented the numbers and record several times now, I don’t know why you all keep ignoring them.

Ignoring what ? They had a worse record than we did. KD played 62 games.

And in those 62 games had a much better record than us. Remove Beal from the equation and they had an elite win rate when both KD and Booker played. With KD on the court and Beal and/or Booker off the court the Suns were elite. They were 3-17 in game KD didn’t play lol.

They had a season full of turmoil surrounding Beal and all the rumors, similar to us with Jimmy.

[Kobewade11]

Not really, Bam and Herro need someone who not only scores before them, but that will create advantages for them.

Trey Young would really help them both on offense, KD isn't really that good a creator for others.

I actually like LaMelo Ball to move the needle more than the midget. The problem is to get one of these all star caliber PG's you have to give up one of Herro or Bam, and then we are right back to where we are. The drum MWP has been beating on about drafting a PG is going to be our only recourse.