2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Negrodamus]

Not Derik Queen, and my point is he lives in the paint, so he obviously will end up with more dunks than players Edgecombe or Bailey.

I guess Maluach is twice as athletic as Queen?

You're reading into this way wrong.

This isn't an athletic ranking based on dunks. It's pointing out that he is dunking at a greater rate than the most athletic guys, so he's not some under the rim, unathletic chud that everyone makes him out to be on here. I thought that was pretty obvious here.

So, no, the number of dunks does not correlate to how many "athletic points" I'm awarding to each player.

His combine metrics are on par with some of the worst bigs in recent draft memory.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1klu7yl/derik_queen_combine_comps/

If you want to argue he's going to be a savvy Sengun-like player, then sure, but let's not pretend he's athletic by any means. On top of that, he has a low motor and will be 21 years old a few months into his NBA rookie season. I just don't see the ceiling you're seeing here.

Once again, not claiming he's a super athletic or eve that he's an above average athlete. I think the combine numbers are only worth considering in the context that he wasn't prepared to do them at a middle of the pack level. Also other information under consideration: 30.4 mpg which is above most of t he top 10 prospects. He's also at 2 STL% which is better than Ace, Tre, Maluach, Kasparas, and tied with Kon.

Additionally, just wanted to say that he doesn't "live in the paint". Watch his game, most of his touches come from outside the paint and he PUTS himself into the paint. That's an important distinction particularly since we have two other guys under consideration (A** and Tre) who couldn't get into the paint nor draw fouls.

[Mik317]

Athleticism is more than how high a person jumps. Queen's nimbleness and shiftiness is part of that. He didn't test well for sure but on tape, he moves well for his size. Thats an outlier trait and those tend to be tricky to truly evaluate.

Like everyone else as well, you are banking on some level of body transformation with NBA training as well.

[Negrodamus]

I can't find the stats, I'm curious what percentage of Paul George's shots were at the rim his freshman year. His sophomore year was 30% which is actually lower than I would have expected (but just getting in my green light range for a draft prospect!).

[Negrodamus]

Like everyone else as well, you are banking on some level of body transformation with NBA training as well.

I definitely agree with this. Aside from Cooper and Harper, most of the top 10 picks are going to need some serious work on their bodies. Fears, A**, VJ, Kasparas, Tre, Essengue, even Maluach need to put on substantial muscle. Queen needs to continue to tone down. How difficult it'll be to get to an ideal body is worthy of arguing. Most higher body fat % guys don't slim down, but Love and Cousins figured it out.

[Doramas]

Everyone is talking about pick 3, of course, but I'd like to talk about pick 35.
One player I would consider is Johni Broome. He turns 23 in July, but he's a 6' 9.25'' power forward with no shoes, great versatility around the basket and great footwork. He's a player who can perform right away.

[ProcessDoctor]

You're reading into this way wrong.

This isn't an athletic ranking based on dunks. It's pointing out that he is dunking at a greater rate than the most athletic guys, so he's not some under the rim, unathletic chud that everyone makes him out to be on here. I thought that was pretty obvious here.

So, no, the number of dunks does not correlate to how many "athletic points" I'm awarding to each player.

His combine metrics are on par with some of the worst bigs in recent draft memory.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1klu7yl/derik_queen_combine_comps/

If you want to argue he's going to be a savvy Sengun-like player, then sure, but let's not pretend he's athletic by any means. On top of that, he has a low motor and will be 21 years old a few months into his NBA rookie season. I just don't see the ceiling you're seeing here.

Once again, not claiming he's a super athletic or eve that he's an above average athlete. I think the combine numbers are only worth considering in the context that he wasn't prepared to do them at a middle of the pack level. Also other information under consideration: 30.4 mpg which is above most of t he top 10 prospects. He's also at 2 STL% which is better than Ace, Tre, Maluach, Kasparas, and tied with Kon.

Additionally, just wanted to say that he doesn't "live in the paint". Watch his game, most of his touches come from outside the paint and he PUTS himself into the paint. That's an important distinction particularly since we have two other guys under consideration (A** and Tre) who couldn't get into the paint nor draw fouls.

Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt here? Did the NBA keep it a secret from him that he was attending the combine? This is a major red flag.

I also think we need to stop comparing his 20-year-old ass to 18-year-olds. He's 1 to 2 years older than all the guys you mentioned except Kon. I assure you, he would not look as statistically impressive on a level playing field.

[FireMorey]

I support analytics as a tool for teams to use to aid in making decisions and gathering data, but from a discussion standpoint, I don't think there's anything duller or more boring. Discussing a player's pull-up game, their offensive arsenal, only for someone to bring up TS% is like having sex, dirty talking, and your woman moaning some other dude's name. Midnight to 6.

[Negrodamus]

His combine metrics are on par with some of the worst bigs in recent draft memory.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1klu7yl/derik_queen_combine_comps/

If you want to argue he's going to be a savvy Sengun-like player, then sure, but let's not pretend he's athletic by any means. On top of that, he has a low motor and will be 21 years old a few months into his NBA rookie season. I just don't see the ceiling you're seeing here.

Once again, not claiming he's a super athletic or eve that he's an above average athlete. I think the combine numbers are only worth considering in the context that he wasn't prepared to do them at a middle of the pack level. Also other information under consideration: 30.4 mpg which is above most of t he top 10 prospects. He's also at 2 STL% which is better than Ace, Tre, Maluach, Kasparas, and tied with Kon.

Additionally, just wanted to say that he doesn't "live in the paint". Watch his game, most of his touches come from outside the paint and he PUTS himself into the paint. That's an important distinction particularly since we have two other guys under consideration (A** and Tre) who couldn't get into the paint nor draw fouls.

Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt here? Did the NBA keep it a secret from him that he was attending the combine? This is a major red flag.

I also think we need to stop comparing his 20-year-old ass to 18-year-olds. He's 1 to 2 years older than all the guys you mentioned except Kon. I assure you, he would not look as statistically impressive on a level playing field.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this post.

I'm being critical of Queen; he should have had better athletic and agility numbers than he had. The eye test while watching games suggests he's not some 7'6 stiff from 2004, so he should be able to perform those drills better than he did. That is a bad reflection of his preparation, similar to when a clearly fast runningback shows up to the combine and runs a 4.6 40. I'm not clearing him of anything. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not being drafted because he resembles Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.

The age thing continues to bewilder me. Queen's production was good regardless of age. If you want to put a Soph next to his name and use all the same stats just the same, be my guest. We can pretend he went to JUCO last year.

[Negrodamus]

I support analytics as a tool for teams to use to aid in making decisions and gathering data, but from a discussion standpoint, I don't think there's anything duller or more boring. Discussing a player's pull-up game, their offensive arsenal, only for someone to bring up TS% is like having sex, dirty talking, and your woman moaning some other dude's name. Midnight to 6.

This is the wildest comment I've seen on here recently and we had guys talking about "Racial Courts" in Brazil to determine how black someone is in the Jared McCain thread.

[ProcessDoctor]

I support analytics as a tool for teams to use to aid in making decisions and gathering data, but from a discussion standpoint, I don't think there's anything duller or more boring. Discussing a player's pull-up game, their offensive arsenal, only for someone to bring up TS% is like having sex, dirty talking, and your woman moaning some other dude's name. Midnight to 6.

We can't see the forest through the trees anymore.

[ProcessDoctor]

Once again, not claiming he's a super athletic or eve that he's an above average athlete. I think the combine numbers are only worth considering in the context that he wasn't prepared to do them at a middle of the pack level. Also other information under consideration: 30.4 mpg which is above most of t he top 10 prospects. He's also at 2 STL% which is better than Ace, Tre, Maluach, Kasparas, and tied with Kon.

Additionally, just wanted to say that he doesn't "live in the paint". Watch his game, most of his touches come from outside the paint and he PUTS himself into the paint. That's an important distinction particularly since we have two other guys under consideration (A** and Tre) who couldn't get into the paint nor draw fouls.

Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt here? Did the NBA keep it a secret from him that he was attending the combine? This is a major red flag.

I also think we need to stop comparing his 20-year-old ass to 18-year-olds. He's 1 to 2 years older than all the guys you mentioned except Kon. I assure you, he would not look as statistically impressive on a level playing field.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this post.

I'm being critical of Queen; he should have had better athletic and agility numbers than he had. The eye test while watching games suggests he's not some 7'6 stiff from 2004, so he should be able to perform those drills better than he did. That is a bad reflection of his preparation, similar to when a clearly fast runningback shows up to the combine and runs a 4.6 40. I'm not clearing him of anything. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not being drafted because he resembles Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.

The age thing continues to bewilder me. Queen's production was good regardless of age. If you want to put a Soph next to his name and use all the same stats just the same, be my guest. We can pretend he went to JUCO last year.

This is not the equivalence of finishing last or near-last in every combine workout.

You're a smart poster. I don't think I need to explain to you how much young basketball players can change in 1 to 2 years.

[Negrodamus]

Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt here? Did the NBA keep it a secret from him that he was attending the combine? This is a major red flag.

I also think we need to stop comparing his 20-year-old ass to 18-year-olds. He's 1 to 2 years older than all the guys you mentioned except Kon. I assure you, he would not look as statistically impressive on a level playing field.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this post.

I'm being critical of Queen; he should have had better athletic and agility numbers than he had. The eye test while watching games suggests he's not some 7'6 stiff from 2004, so he should be able to perform those drills better than he did. That is a bad reflection of his preparation, similar to when a clearly fast runningback shows up to the combine and runs a 4.6 40. I'm not clearing him of anything. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not being drafted because he resembles Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.

The age thing continues to bewilder me. Queen's production was good regardless of age. If you want to put a Soph next to his name and use all the same stats just the same, be my guest. We can pretend he went to JUCO last year.

This is not the equivalence of finishing last or near-last in every combine workout.

You're a smart poster. I don't think I need to explain to you how much young basketball players can change in 1 to 2 years.

"Are we sure this Joel Embiid guys is going to be better than Noah Vonleh? Noah (18.81 yrs at draft) is almost 2 years younger than Embiid (20.25 yrs at draft). Vonleh is scoring the same clip as Embiid, but is way better at rebound, has better FT shooting, and shoots 48% from three all while being younger!"

This is just one example, but thanks for the condescending post.

[Stanford]

Shout out to that Shor Parks guy

[Sixersftw]

I'm sorry, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this post.

I'm being critical of Queen; he should have had better athletic and agility numbers than he had. The eye test while watching games suggests he's not some 7'6 stiff from 2004, so he should be able to perform those drills better than he did. That is a bad reflection of his preparation, similar to when a clearly fast runningback shows up to the combine and runs a 4.6 40. I'm not clearing him of anything. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not being drafted because he resembles Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.

The age thing continues to bewilder me. Queen's production was good regardless of age. If you want to put a Soph next to his name and use all the same stats just the same, be my guest. We can pretend he went to JUCO last year.

This is not the equivalence of finishing last or near-last in every combine workout.

You're a smart poster. I don't think I need to explain to you how much young basketball players can change in 1 to 2 years.

"Are we sure this Joel Embiid guys is going to be better than Noah Vonleh? Noah (18.81 yrs at draft) is almost 2 years younger than Embiid (20.25 yrs at draft). Vonleh is scoring the same clip as Embiid, but is way better at rebound, has better FT shooting, and shoots 48% from three all while being younger!"

This is just one example, but thanks for the condescending post.

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[Mik317]

Everyone is talking about pick 3, of course, but I'd like to talk about pick 35.
One player I would consider is Johni Broome. He turns 23 in July, but he's a 6' 9.25'' power forward with no shoes, great versatility around the basket and great footwork. He's a player who can perform right away.

don't think he's an NBA player. feels like the classic great college player that just doesn't have it for this level

[Mik317]

20 is not old.

its just as dumb as the Ace is 6'7 thing.

[Jojothewhale]

Everyone is talking about pick 3, of course, but I'd like to talk about pick 35.

I would really like to have a strong opinion on Miles Byrd, but every time I watch him I get more confused. That shot is fugly.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm sorry, but I don't know what point you're trying to make with this post.

I'm being critical of Queen; he should have had better athletic and agility numbers than he had. The eye test while watching games suggests he's not some 7'6 stiff from 2004, so he should be able to perform those drills better than he did. That is a bad reflection of his preparation, similar to when a clearly fast runningback shows up to the combine and runs a 4.6 40. I'm not clearing him of anything. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not being drafted because he resembles Blake Griffin or Anthony Davis.

The age thing continues to bewilder me. Queen's production was good regardless of age. If you want to put a Soph next to his name and use all the same stats just the same, be my guest. We can pretend he went to JUCO last year.

This is not the equivalence of finishing last or near-last in every combine workout.

You're a smart poster. I don't think I need to explain to you how much young basketball players can change in 1 to 2 years.

"Are we sure this Joel Embiid guys is going to be better than Noah Vonleh? Noah (18.81 yrs at draft) is almost 2 years younger than Embiid (20.25 yrs at draft). Vonleh is scoring the same clip as Embiid, but is way better at rebound, has better FT shooting, and shoots 48% from three all while being younger!"

This is just one example, but thanks for the condescending post.

Sorry, was not trying to be an ****. I just think you've been turning a blind eye to all the Queen negatives and Ace positives, including the significant age discrepancy. Just like every other metric/stat, age is not the only indicator to project how good a player will be, but I think we have to acknowledge it here.

[Negrodamus]

20 is not old.

its just as dumb as the Ace is 6'7 thing.

Brandon Miller: 20.57
Amen/Ausar Thompson: 20.38

Scoot Henderson: 19.37
Bilal Coulibaly: 18.90

I consider age very lightly until they are 21 years old. Even then, if you're putting up monstrous stats, it doesn't matter.

[zaz102]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/s/d9VhvqVk1H

RAPM for consensus top-10 prospects vs top 100 competition (and shooting splits)