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Post#1121 » by darrendaye » Wed May 28, 2025 2:53 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Three team trade of the day: :D

Boston In: Hield, Santos, Jackson-Davis, 2030 GS 2nd round pick, 2027 Mil 2nd round pick, 2028 NYK 2nd round pick
Boston Out: Porzingis

Golden St In: Porzingis
Golden St Out: Hield, Moody, Santos, Jackson-Davis, 2030 GS 2nd round pick

Detroit In: Moody
Detroit Out: 2027 Mil 2nd round pick, 2028 NYK 2nd round pick

Celtics cut Santos and Jackson-Davis. Celtics left with Hield, (3) 2nd round picks and $21.7 million in cap savings.


I think Brad Stevens is going to have a lot more options than people think.


Not so sure they'd cut Jackson-Davis.
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Post#1122 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 28, 2025 2:54 pm

darrendaye wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Three team trade of the day: :D

Boston In: Hield, Santos, Jackson-Davis, 2030 GS 2nd round pick, 2027 Mil 2nd round pick, 2028 NYK 2nd round pick
Boston Out: Porzingis

Golden St In: Porzingis
Golden St Out: Hield, Moody, Santos, Jackson-Davis, 2030 GS 2nd round pick

Detroit In: Moody
Detroit Out: 2027 Mil 2nd round pick, 2028 NYK 2nd round pick

Celtics cut Santos and Jackson-Davis. Celtics left with Hield, (3) 2nd round picks and $21.7 million in cap savings.


I think Brad Stevens is going to have a lot more options than people think.


Not so sure they'd cut Jackson-Davis.

He makes $2.2 million so keeping him would be fine.
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Post#1123 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:35 pm

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Clippers per Robb
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Post#1124 » by Gant » Wed May 28, 2025 3:39 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
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Clippers per Robb


The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.
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Post#1125 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:56 pm

Gant wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Clippers per Robb


The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.
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Post#1126 » by cl2117 » Wed May 28, 2025 4:08 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Clippers per Robb


The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

Starting to feel that way which has me pumped. Already 4 teams rumored to be interested, can't really deny that there is certainly demand and not just by vultures. Seeing people's valuations outside this board really started to skew my view towards him and this has me thinking I've gone too far.

That contract is undeniably concerning with his age as is the fact that his numbers dipped, but overall his impact was still there and that contract is incredibly manageable in the grand scheme of things.

Armchair GMs will write him off but actual GMs seem to still see value (which makes sense given that they can have a shorter term view since their job is at stake).
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Post#1127 » by djFan71 » Wed May 28, 2025 4:25 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Salary dump Hauser into a TPE/MLE

Trade Porzingis to ORL for WCJ (anything else they send gets dumped or rerouted elsewhere)

Trade Jrue to DAL or SAC in a deal that nets Klay Thompson and reroutes everyone else to other teams

That gets you under the tax next year (25-26) with Tatum out and I think you can do it without giving up any future 1sts. It leaves you over the tax for 26-27 (how much so depends on exactly where our pick lands), but with a $17M expiring Klay Thompson on the books that's pretty easy to maneuver with. You have Tatum coming back to a top 5 unit of:

Pritchard / White / Brown / Tatum / WCJ

plus Schierman, this year's draft picks, next year's draft picks (which should be mid 1st, maybe lottery even), whatever return you get for Klay Thompson's expiring dela (ok to include future picks again with Tatum back), and then you'd be a pretty attractive vet min destination too. If they've drafted well, that should be a "puncher chance" type of team for him to come back to. And the tax would be reset.

That sets you up to go back to totally championship focused again in 27-28. Spending power completely reloaded with repeater tax rates avoided. Hopefully some young players to use in trades. Flexibility to go back to attaching future picks in deals.

Make it PJ and that’s what I posted a few days ago. Obviously easier with Klay, but I think Jrue holds enough value to get PJ instead with Dallas figuring out their own balance beyond that.

Thats a good team still next year and a great landing spot for JT to return to, esp if you can keep PJ. I’m okay with the Klay version though if that’s the best we can do, cuz as we’ve all said he can be flipped with a pick later. Just gotta be greedy first.
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Post#1128 » by djFan71 » Wed May 28, 2025 4:26 pm

cl2117 wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

Starting to feel that way which has me pumped. Already 4 teams rumored to be interested, can't really deny that there is certainly demand and not just by vultures. Seeing people's valuations outside this board really started to skew my view towards him and this has me thinking I've gone too far.

That contract is undeniably concerning with his age as is the fact that his numbers dipped, but overall his impact was still there and that contract is incredibly manageable in the grand scheme of things.

Armchair GMs will write him off but actual GMs seem to still see value (which makes sense given that they can have a shorter term view since their job is at stake).

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Post#1129 » by brackdan70 » Wed May 28, 2025 4:35 pm

cl2117 wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

Starting to feel that way which has me pumped. Already 4 teams rumored to be interested, can't really deny that there is certainly demand and not just by vultures. Seeing people's valuations outside this board really started to skew my view towards him and this has me thinking I've gone too far.

That contract is undeniably concerning with his age as is the fact that his numbers dipped, but overall his impact was still there and that contract is incredibly manageable in the grand scheme of things.

Armchair GMs will write him off but actual GMs seem to still see value (which makes sense given that they can have a shorter term view since their job is at stake).

Yeah I don’t think they will have to give up assets to move him as long as they are willing to take plenty of 2025/26 Salary back. And I expect they can get a useful player and shed future salary. I think it’s realistic to maybe shed 5 million in 2025/26 and 15 in 2026/27, while having a useful player to keep, without giving up assets.
With 4 or 5 teams showing legit interest…maybe assets come to the Celtics but I think that’s unlikely.
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Post#1130 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 28, 2025 4:49 pm

Bogdan Bogdanovic would be a decent offensive option for the Celtics should they move Holiday.
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Post#1131 » by brackdan70 » Wed May 28, 2025 5:03 pm

Bogdan, Eubanks and Jones, with Jones going into some teams TPE or space. But that leaves clippers hard capped at 1st Apron. Make it Kris Dunn is an option too instead of Eubanks.
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Post#1132 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 28, 2025 5:41 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Bogdan, Eubanks and Jones, with Jones going into some teams TPE or space. But that leaves clippers hard capped at 1st Apron. Make it Kris Dunn is an option too instead of Eubanks.

Dunn could be useful as a backup PG. I would ask for the 30th pick also. I'm greedy.
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Post#1133 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed May 28, 2025 5:53 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Clippers per Robb


The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

And then team X will win the NBA title and they'll be like "wow who could have seen that coming ?"
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Post#1134 » by 165bows » Wed May 28, 2025 6:23 pm

cl2117 wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

Starting to feel that way which has me pumped. Already 4 teams rumored to be interested, can't really deny that there is certainly demand and not just by vultures. Seeing people's valuations outside this board really started to skew my view towards him and this has me thinking I've gone too far.

That contract is undeniably concerning with his age as is the fact that his numbers dipped, but overall his impact was still there and that contract is incredibly manageable in the grand scheme of things.

Armchair GMs will write him off but actual GMs seem to still see value (which makes sense given that they can have a shorter term view since their job is at stake).

Yeah I don’t worry at all about what people post on the T+T board. I called the Brogdon trade almost to a T over there and the most prominent pacer guy was telling me how god awful it was leading right up into the trade.

Another time I was discussing Smart v Tyus Jones trade value right leading up to the night of the Smart/KP trade with a retired mod insisting they had equal value.

I pretty much just let all those and other examples go as well it’s just not that hard to interpret the news stories and the patterns of how Brad moves that their opinions on the Celtics don’t really matter
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Post#1135 » by 165bows » Wed May 28, 2025 6:24 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Gant wrote:
The Clippers, Kings, Bucks, and Mavs are all reportedly interested. There will be more too.


Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

And then team X will win the NBA title and they'll be like "wow who could have seen that coming ?"

Assuming this is true they can just wait until the season starts sometime. See how the team is and how Tatum (and Brown for that matter) are recovering and then see if they want to mini tank or compete.
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Post#1136 » by Shak_Celts » Wed May 28, 2025 6:29 pm

I wish we had clips owner (Balmer?)! Dude spends no matter what. Sure, it may not be as much as we were this stretch but he’s spending it on injured players and teams that go 1-2rnd exits when healthy! Imagine how he’d spend on a consistent eastern conference final and champion.

I know they didn’t pay Paul George what he got from sixers, but they were going to pay him a hell of a lot to always be injured!

Yeah, they should have taken the offer from wyc nem. They said they weren’t going to be worried about the money. Talk is cheap but our owner now didn’t even pretend and give that tour of lip service… he toed the line like all of them do when they don’t want to say what it really is!
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Post#1137 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 28, 2025 6:33 pm

165bows wrote:
cl2117 wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Jrue won’t be nearly as hard to move as the trade board suggests, if Boston goes that direction.

Brad will find a decent deal and everyone will say “wow, Team X got totally ripped off” instead of just acknowledging their valuation of Jrue was wrong.

Starting to feel that way which has me pumped. Already 4 teams rumored to be interested, can't really deny that there is certainly demand and not just by vultures. Seeing people's valuations outside this board really started to skew my view towards him and this has me thinking I've gone too far.

That contract is undeniably concerning with his age as is the fact that his numbers dipped, but overall his impact was still there and that contract is incredibly manageable in the grand scheme of things.

Armchair GMs will write him off but actual GMs seem to still see value (which makes sense given that they can have a shorter term view since their job is at stake).

Yeah I don’t worry at all about what people post on the T+T board. I called the Brogdon trade almost to a T over there and the most prominent pacer guy was telling me how god awful it was leading right up into the trade.

Another time I was discussing Smart v Tyus Jones trade value right leading up to the night of the Smart/KP trade with a retired mod insisting they had equal value.

I pretty much just let all those and other examples go as well it’s just not that hard to interpret the news stories and the patterns of how Brad moves that their opinions on the Celtics don’t really matter

The trade board has the Celtics giving up the #28 pick and the 2027 1st round pick in order to move Jrue Holiday. Wish people made more sense over there.
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Post#1138 » by Hal14 » Wed May 28, 2025 6:43 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:I wish we had clips owner (Balmer?)! Dude spends no matter what.

Clippers slashed their payroll this season, 19th in the league in terms of how much they spent towards the apron..

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Wyc said no team is gonna stay over the 2nd apron for more than 2 years and so far he is right. It's not about being cheap, it's about the basketball penalties that come with being over 2nd apron. Plus we don't own our building so we end up losing money with the amount we spend on payroll compared to the amount of revenue we make.

NBA put the aprons in for parity and so far it's working. 7 different champions in 7 years. And OKC/MIN and IND/Knicks in conference finals is different flavor than folks are used to..that is what Silver wants - parity and not dynasties. At least we won the title last year..next one might not be for awhile. Hopefully we get 1 more ring during the Tatum/Brown era..
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Post#1139 » by Larry_Russell » Wed May 28, 2025 6:52 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:I wish we had clips owner (Balmer?)! Dude spends no matter what.

Clippers slashed their payroll this season, 19th in the league in terms of how much they spent towards the apron..

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Wyc said no team is gonna stay over the 2nd apron for more than 2 years and so far he is right. It's not about being cheap, it's about the basketball penalties that come with being over 2nd apron. Plus we don't own our building so we end up losing money with the amount we spend on payroll compared to the amount of revenue we make.

NBA put the aprons in for parity and so far it's working. 7 different champions in 7 years. And OKC/MIN and IND/Knicks in conference finals is different flavor than folks are used to..that is what Silver wants - parity and not dynasties. At least we won the title last year..next one might not be for awhile. Hopefully we get 1 more ring during the Tatum/Brown era..



Parity cheapens the league.

Its fake, and it means far MORE player movement. Teams will be punished for drafting great and making excellent traded and signings, preventing them from being rewarded.
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Post#1140 » by SparringPartner » Wed May 28, 2025 7:40 pm

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