If Warriors want floor stretchers, be prepared for a Mikal Bridges-style trade

[defense_enjoyer]

Every 2nd team right(Including the warriors) now wants an elite starting or 6th man role player PG who can shoot 3s, 3&D guard or SF, high BBIQ borderline all star stretch 5, or high BBIQ PG with elite athleticism, passing and finishing. A huge portion of the league has a desperate need for ball handling(mavs, pelicans, bulls, nuggets, bucks, grizzlies,etc), and several other teams' seasons were ended because of terrible floor spacing and shot creation(Magic, Rockets and Pistons especially come to mind) due to their floor stretchers being utter trash(KCP, Beasley, Jaylen Green, Tim Hardaway, WCJ) in the post season. Due to this, there WILL be a massive demand, and therefore massive bidding war for any such player that fits the descriptions I listed.

It seems like any such players in the off-season will either be off the market unless teams who want them trade 3+ first round picks for them. Mikal bridges set that precedent. If you want a starter on a team friendly contract who can create his own shot consistently, be prepared to gut your roster or your picks, because such players are so rare and you can never have enough of them.

Therefore, if the warriors FO wants to trade JK plus some of the bench for Cam Johnson, Myles Turner, Anfernee Simmons, Coby White, Sexton, Markannen, Porzingis, Derrick White, Vucevic, Ty Jerome, even Quentin Grimes, for, they will be absolutely refused unless they mortgage their future and attach more than 3 FRPs, because you can bet your ass the Rockets and Magic will dangle at least 2 FRPs for these players.

The good news is that the warriors have FRPs they can trade, and such types of players who would be possibly available fit Steph and Jimmy's timeline. Also JK has a lot more potential than the players the rockets, pistons and magic would want to get rid of in such trades(KCP(yuck), WCJ, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, Jett Howard, Jaylen Green, FVV, etc), so they have a shot at outbidding those teams.

IMO, they should still do such a trade since the warriors already have some developing young players, and they HAVE to do right by Steph and Dray, who are the only reasons they made the warriors relevant. They already brought jimmy, so they owe it to Steph to get another player who can get them over the hump and fits Steph's timeline.

[Onus]

Therefore, if the warriors FO wants to trade JK plus some of the bench for Cam Johnson, Myles Turner, Anfernee Simmons, Coby White, Sexton, Markannen, Porzingis, Derrick White, Vucevic, Ty Jerome, even Quentin Grimes, for, they will be absolutely refused unless they mortgage their future and attach more than 3 FRPs, because you can bet your ass the Rockets and Magic will dangle at least 2 FRPs for these players.

Absolutely none of these players are going for 3 or more FRPs and highly unlikely any of them go for 2 FRPs.

Ainge absolutely screwed up by not trading Lauri last year or the year before at his highest value and his value will only be going down from here. Out of these players he's the most likely to go for 2. White went for 1 first when he was entering his prime. He's coming to the end of his prime and maybe if he becomes available and a team is desperate someone comes up with 2 1sts. Myles has been on the trade block before and no one met their asking price, idk maybe.

[vvoland]

Therefore, if the warriors FO wants to trade JK plus some of the bench for Cam Johnson, Myles Turner, Anfernee Simmons, Coby White, Sexton, Markannen, Porzingis, Derrick White, Vucevic, Ty Jerome, even Quentin Grimes, for, they will be absolutely refused unless they mortgage their future and attach more than 3 FRPs, because you can bet your ass the Rockets and Magic will dangle at least 2 FRPs for these players.

Absolutely none of these players are going for 3 or more FRPs and highly unlikely any of them go for 2 FRPs.

Ainge absolutely screwed up by not trading Lauri last year or the year before at his highest value and his value will only be going down from here. Out of these players he's the most likely to go for 2. White went for 1 first when he was entering his prime. He's coming to the end of his prime and maybe if he becomes available and a team is desperate someone comes up with 2 1sts. Myles has been on the trade block before and no one met their asking price, idk maybe.

Lauri? I don't think there's any chance he gets 2 FRPs or is the most valuable player on this list. Between his health, lack of defense, and ridiculous contract, I'm not sure Ainge is getting anything other than cap relief for Lauri. Unless it's another terrible contract going back, Lauri is not getting a decent first round pick, much less 2.

Simons, Cobi, Jerome, Sexton, KP, and Grimes will not fetch 2 picks and not even 1 unprotected 1st. Will some team offer 2 bad FRPs (like lottery protected that turn into 2nds - e.g. the picks we sent to Was) for one of those players? I doubt it.

That leaves Turner but he's a FA and not sure why Indy would trade their top 3 player after just making the ECF for the 2nd time in a row. Maybe someone can throw 3 FRPs to entice the Pacers but, otherwise, no chance.

That leaves Cam and Derrick White. I disagree with Onus - White only cost 1 FRP when he was traded but is a better shooter, with a much better reputation today that he had back then. On a very reasonable contract, as well. He would cost multiple FRPs, good ones, too.

Cam is harder. While he fits some of the things teams look for, he's limited and on a 2 year deal. He'll probably cost 2 firsts but I think they'll be non-lottery or fake firsts.

Personally, I think a bunch of folks, including some on this list, will find themselves without suitors as the money runs dry. If I was Ty Jerome or Grimes, I'd be looking to resign with Cle/Philly before the music stops.

[Jester_]

is there a way to sign and trade Kuminga for Lauri?

[vvoland]

is there a way to sign and trade Kuminga for Lauri?

Not really. Unless we sign JK for 38M/yr and add moody, buddy, TJD, and podz. Not sure why Uta would want that package but it works salary wise, without touching steph/dray/jimmy. We would then have no money left to fill out the roster but....

[Jester_]

is there a way to sign and trade Kuminga for Lauri?

Not really. Unless we sign JK for 38M/yr and add moody, buddy, TJD, and podz. Not sure why Uta would want that package but it works salary wise, without touching steph/dray/jimmy. We would then have no money left to fill out the roster but....

If you sign jk for 38, doesn't him + moody get it done?

I would think the argument for Utah would be, especailly given how they got f'd in the draft, they aren't doing jack with Lauri, so flip him for a young player who could potentially turn into jaylen brown if they're lucky

[vvoland]

is there a way to sign and trade Kuminga for Lauri?

Not really. Unless we sign JK for 38M/yr and add moody, buddy, TJD, and podz. Not sure why Uta would want that package but it works salary wise, without touching steph/dray/jimmy. We would then have no money left to fill out the roster but....

If you sign jk for 38, doesn't him + moody get it done?

I would think the argument for Utah would be, especailly given how they got f'd in the draft, they aren't doing jack with Lauri, so flip him for a young player who could potentially turn into jaylen brown if they're lucky

No, JK's salary only counts 50% when going out (100% to Uta, though), unless we want to add 7.5M to that 50% and get capped at the 1st apron (virtually impossible even w/o Lauri). Lauri makes 46M next year.

In my scenario above, I was assuming Uta would be able to absorb the additional 20M it would receive but it may require a 3rd team, not 100% clear on Uta's cap situation.

[Jester_]

Not really. Unless we sign JK for 38M/yr and add moody, buddy, TJD, and podz. Not sure why Uta would want that package but it works salary wise, without touching steph/dray/jimmy. We would then have no money left to fill out the roster but....

If you sign jk for 38, doesn't him + moody get it done?

I would think the argument for Utah would be, especailly given how they got f'd in the draft, they aren't doing jack with Lauri, so flip him for a young player who could potentially turn into jaylen brown if they're lucky

No, JK's salary only counts 50% when going out (100% to Uta, though), unless we want to add 7.5M to that 50% and get capped at the 1st apron (virtually impossible even w/o Lauri). Lauri makes 46M next year.

In my scenario above, I was assuming Uta would be able to absorb the additional 20M it would receive but it may require a 3rd team, not 100% clear on Uta's cap situation.

ahhh gotcha

well in that case Dray + Moody gets it done and gives them some cap relief and youth but not sure that deal makes sense for either side

although if we did that, plus managed to turn Kuminga into some defense, that could be solid

[vvoland]

If you sign jk for 38, doesn't him + moody get it done?

I would think the argument for Utah would be, especailly given how they got f'd in the draft, they aren't doing jack with Lauri, so flip him for a young player who could potentially turn into jaylen brown if they're lucky

No, JK's salary only counts 50% when going out (100% to Uta, though), unless we want to add 7.5M to that 50% and get capped at the 1st apron (virtually impossible even w/o Lauri). Lauri makes 46M next year.

In my scenario above, I was assuming Uta would be able to absorb the additional 20M it would receive but it may require a 3rd team, not 100% clear on Uta's cap situation.

ahhh gotcha

well in that case Dray + Moody gets it done and gives them some cap relief and youth but not sure that deal makes sense for either side

although if we did that, plus managed to turn Kuminga into some defense, that could be solid

Dray only makes 25 and Moody 11. For it to work, it would be those 2 plus Buddy and 1 more min contract ( i believe). Plus we'd need enough room to sign 3 players for the min (or about $6-7.5M). It would be very tough to trade anyone other than Jimmy for Lauri but we all know that's not happening. Even if it was Dray for Lauri, are we better? Dray was the engine of the league's best defense post Jimmy trade. If we trade him for Lauri, even if it was straight up, how do we improve? I'm not sure we can.

I know you think highly of Lauri but given the year he just had and his lack of defense, are you sure we'd win more games (especially come playoff time)?

[defense_enjoyer]

Therefore, if the warriors FO wants to trade JK plus some of the bench for Cam Johnson, Myles Turner, Anfernee Simmons, Coby White, Sexton, Markannen, Porzingis, Derrick White, Vucevic, Ty Jerome, even Quentin Grimes, for, they will be absolutely refused unless they mortgage their future and attach more than 3 FRPs, because you can bet your ass the Rockets and Magic will dangle at least 2 FRPs for these players.

Absolutely none of these players are going for 3 or more FRPs and highly unlikely any of them go for 2 FRPs.

Ainge absolutely screwed up by not trading Lauri last year or the year before at his highest value and his value will only be going down from here. Out of these players he's the most likely to go for 2. White went for 1 first when he was entering his prime. He's coming to the end of his prime and maybe if he becomes available and a team is desperate someone comes up with 2 1sts. Myles has been on the trade block before and no one met their asking price, idk maybe.

Lauri? I don't think there's any chance he gets 2 FRPs or is the most valuable player on this list. Between his health, lack of defense, and ridiculous contract, I'm not sure Ainge is getting anything other than cap relief for Lauri. Unless it's another terrible contract going back, Lauri is not getting a decent first round pick, much less 2.

Simons, Cobi, Jerome, Sexton, KP, and Grimes will not fetch 2 picks and not even 1 unprotected 1st. Will some team offer 2 bad FRPs (like lottery protected that turn into 2nds - e.g. the picks we sent to Was) for one of those players? I doubt it.

That leaves Turner but he's a FA and not sure why Indy would trade their top 3 player after just making the ECF for the 2nd time in a row. Maybe someone can throw 3 FRPs to entice the Pacers but, otherwise, no chance.

That leaves Cam and Derrick White. I disagree with Onus - White only cost 1 FRP when he was traded but is a better shooter, with a much better reputation today that he had back then. On a very reasonable contract, as well. He would cost multiple FRPs, good ones, too.

Cam is harder. While he fits some of the things teams look for, he's limited and on a 2 year deal. He'll probably cost 2 firsts but I think they'll be non-lottery or fake firsts.

Personally, I think a bunch of folks, including some on this list, will find themselves without suitors as the money runs dry. If I was Ty Jerome or Grimes, I'd be looking to resign with Cle/Philly before the music stops.

The problem is, and this applies to the magic too, is that nobody wants our role players who are garbage at shooting, like moody, GP2 or podz if thats his ceiling). Basically all of these players I listed are much better than the ones currently our roster. As such, the only way for a team to accept our garbage role player for their great role player(that other teams with garbage role players, like the Magic, are desperately looking for) is to attach picks, and they'll want a large amount of picks.

For example MDJ might scoff at the Bulls wanting Coby White for 2 FRPs, but the Bulls GM will ask why would MDJ even think JK is worth at all to their team given his lack of floor spacing and BBIQ.

[vvoland]

Forget GP2, he's a FA and no longer a warrior. The market for moody might be bigger than you think and everything I'm hearing is that most FOs love Podz. Problem is, we're also one of those FOs that loves Podz so we may be overvaluing him, maybe by a lot.

The players you listed are not all better than our role players. I think the jazz would be thrilled to move sexton for podz, if for no other reason than the money. Cle would trade Jerome for Moody or Podz, in a heartbeat.

Simmons is expensive and coming off another sub-par year. Cobi is probably similar value but is a better scorer so maybe we'd need a pickswap or a protected 1st to get him for Moody - in terms of equal value. Not sure what the Bulls are doing, or have done, so no confidence there.

KP is, probably, a negative contract. 30M, 1 year deal, last 2 years of terrible health after an up and down career. The celtics may need to attach an asset to move KP.

Cam, Turner, and White will be expensive but they're not exactly role players.

[defense_enjoyer]

Forget GP2, he's a FA and no longer a warrior. The market for moody might be bigger than you think and everything I'm hearing is that most FOs love Podz. Problem is, we're also one of those FOs that loves Podz so we may be overvaluing him, maybe by a lot.

The players you listed are not all better than our role players. I think the jazz would be thrilled to move sexton for podz, if for no other reason than the money. Cle would trade Jerome for Moody or Podz, in a heartbeat.

Simmons is expensive and coming off another sub-par year. Cobi is probably similar value but is a better scorer so maybe we'd need a pickswap or a protected 1st to get him for Moody - in terms of equal value. Not sure what the Bulls are doing, or have done, so no confidence there.

KP is, probably, a negative contract. 30M, 1 year deal, last 2 years of terrible health after an up and down career. The celtics may need to attach an asset to move KP.

Cam, Turner, and White will be expensive but they're not exactly role players.

Podz isn't overvalued because he has a very low salary in proportion to his skills, and you can't add depth by trading him. At most you'll get another 6th man with worse defense, better regular season but equally bad playoff shooting, although it's been Podz first playoffs ever so he has room to improve.

I really hope moody is valued high especially after his uclsurgery.

Do you believe any GM will be willing to give the warriors the players I listed for their objective value?

[Twinkie defense]

I don't think Warriors are going to trade their post-Curry picks, those will likely be lottery picks.

[vvoland]

Forget GP2, he's a FA and no longer a warrior. The market for moody might be bigger than you think and everything I'm hearing is that most FOs love Podz. Problem is, we're also one of those FOs that loves Podz so we may be overvaluing him, maybe by a lot.

The players you listed are not all better than our role players. I think the jazz would be thrilled to move sexton for podz, if for no other reason than the money. Cle would trade Jerome for Moody or Podz, in a heartbeat.

Simmons is expensive and coming off another sub-par year. Cobi is probably similar value but is a better scorer so maybe we'd need a pickswap or a protected 1st to get him for Moody - in terms of equal value. Not sure what the Bulls are doing, or have done, so no confidence there.

KP is, probably, a negative contract. 30M, 1 year deal, last 2 years of terrible health after an up and down career. The celtics may need to attach an asset to move KP.

Cam, Turner, and White will be expensive but they're not exactly role players.

Podz isn't overvalued because he has a very low salary in proportion to his skills, and you can't add depth by trading him. At most you'll get another 6th man with worse defense, better regular season but equally bad playoff shooting, although it's been Podz first playoffs ever so he has room to improve.

I really hope moody is valued high especially after his uclsurgery.

Do you believe any GM will be willing to give the warriors the players I listed for their objective value?

I don't know what 'objective value' means to you. I listed each player you mentioned and what I thought we'd need to add to the contracts we have to get them in a trade. I guess I just called Cam, Turner, and White 'expensive' without naming a price but Turner and White probably would approach 3 FRP category, if only because their teams have no reason to trade them. Cam isn't worth 2 picks, considering that's been the nets' price for two years and cam is still in BKN - no one paid that price, it seems. The rest are very getable and the price for some is only the size of the contract, if not assets coming back.

[vvoland]

I don't think Warriors are going to trade their post-Curry picks, those will likely be lottery picks.

I don't see why we wouldn't trade picks that are top 5 protected. I understand I'm in the minority in not valuing them particularly highly.

[Jester_]

I don't think Warriors are going to trade their post-Curry picks, those will likely be lottery picks.

I don't see why we wouldn't trade picks that are top 5 protected. I understand I'm in the minority in not valuing them particularly highly.

people overvalue picks around here (and in the fanbase in general, but especially here I've noticed)

[defense_enjoyer]

Forget GP2, he's a FA and no longer a warrior. The market for moody might be bigger than you think and everything I'm hearing is that most FOs love Podz. Problem is, we're also one of those FOs that loves Podz so we may be overvaluing him, maybe by a lot.

The players you listed are not all better than our role players. I think the jazz would be thrilled to move sexton for podz, if for no other reason than the money. Cle would trade Jerome for Moody or Podz, in a heartbeat.

Simmons is expensive and coming off another sub-par year. Cobi is probably similar value but is a better scorer so maybe we'd need a pickswap or a protected 1st to get him for Moody - in terms of equal value. Not sure what the Bulls are doing, or have done, so no confidence there.

KP is, probably, a negative contract. 30M, 1 year deal, last 2 years of terrible health after an up and down career. The celtics may need to attach an asset to move KP.

Cam, Turner, and White will be expensive but they're not exactly role players.

Podz isn't overvalued because he has a very low salary in proportion to his skills, and you can't add depth by trading him. At most you'll get another 6th man with worse defense, better regular season but equally bad playoff shooting, although it's been Podz first playoffs ever so he has room to improve.

I really hope moody is valued high especially after his uclsurgery.

Do you believe any GM will be willing to give the warriors the players I listed for their objective value?

I don't know what 'objective value' means to you. I listed each player you mentioned and what I thought we'd need to add to the contracts we have to get them in a trade. I guess I just called Cam, Turner, and White 'expensive' without naming a price but Turner and White probably would approach 3 FRP category, if only because their teams have no reason to trade them. Cam isn't worth 2 picks, considering that's been the nets' price for two years and cam is still in BKN - no one paid that price, it seems. The rest are very getable and the price for some is only the size of the contract, if not assets coming back.

Objective value are the values you listed, i.e. the actual value of the players according to their performance. What I'm asking is that is it likely that:

-The Bulls would ask for only 1 protected FRP for Coby white + moody(objective value), or would the bulls gm go Danny Ainge style and demand something like Moody+JK+2 unprotected FRPs for him, because the magic also want him?

- would the Celtics make Dwhite untouchable unless they get 5 FRPs for him instead of 3, or they would demand an unprotected first for Porzingis?

Thanks for the info about cam Johnson, it seems like the nets GM wants to fleece or keep him instead of trading him for his objective value. In any case demand creates inflated value, so and half the league wants him because their options are absolutely inferior to him.

[CS707]

I don't think Warriors are going to trade their post-Curry picks, those will likely be lottery picks.

I don't see why we wouldn't trade picks that are top 5 protected. I understand I'm in the minority in not valuing them particularly highly.

people overvalue picks around here (and in the fanbase in general, but especially here I've noticed)

That's just about every fan in every sport.

[vvoland]

Podz isn't overvalued because he has a very low salary in proportion to his skills, and you can't add depth by trading him. At most you'll get another 6th man with worse defense, better regular season but equally bad playoff shooting, although it's been Podz first playoffs ever so he has room to improve.

I really hope moody is valued high especially after his uclsurgery.

Do you believe any GM will be willing to give the warriors the players I listed for their objective value?

I don't know what 'objective value' means to you. I listed each player you mentioned and what I thought we'd need to add to the contracts we have to get them in a trade. I guess I just called Cam, Turner, and White 'expensive' without naming a price but Turner and White probably would approach 3 FRP category, if only because their teams have no reason to trade them. Cam isn't worth 2 picks, considering that's been the nets' price for two years and cam is still in BKN - no one paid that price, it seems. The rest are very getable and the price for some is only the size of the contract, if not assets coming back.

Objective value are the values you listed, i.e. the actual value of the players according to their performance. What I'm asking is that is it likely that:

-The Bulls would ask for only 1 protected FRP for Coby white + moody(objective value), or would the bulls gm go Danny Ainge style and demand something like Moody+JK+2 unprotected FRPs for him, because the magic also want him?

- would the Celtics make Dwhite untouchable unless they get 5 FRPs for him instead of 3, or they would demand an unprotected first for Porzingis?

Thanks for the info about cam Johnson, it seems like the nets GM wants to fleece or keep him instead of trading him for his objective value. In any case demand creates inflated value, so and half the league wants him because their options are absolutely inferior to him.

Not sure about the bulls, they're insane. Just as likely to extend cobi and lock themselves into the play-in as they are to trade him. Who knows. Cobi white is expiring so, despite the cheap deal, won't get too much back in a trade. Certainly not two unprotected picks, probably not even one. I'd bet they resign him and he goes from one of the best contracts in the league to.... not that.

I don't see why the Celtics would trade White unless they're blown away by an offer. 5 FRPs would do it, I'm sure. I wouldn't pay that. As for KP, I think they'd be thrilled to move him without giving up a pick.

[SpreeS]

One of the worst trade of all time