Bears 12.0

[Peelboy]

Jayden’s speed combined with his mind and arm talent is ridiculous. And I believe his mind is his best quality, which is scary. If he was able to weaponize his speed with a thicker body to accept more contact, we might be looking at an historic quarterback. Yet if he was able to use his speed more liberally with a stronger body, he might not have developed the pocket quarterback skills. Weirdly, Fields never much used his legs in college, and the pocket quarterback skills still didn’t develop. Jayden just has it in him to utilize physical potential

I read somewhere that Jayden wanted to go to a team that would utilize VR headsets for prep, so that he'd seen defenses, plays, etc and his eyes were used to progressions, etc well before practice.

If true, huge sign about him mentally. I can't imagine a reason why all teams wouldn't want their young (or vet) QBs to use that kind of tech.

[TheJordanRule]

While we mention that his size could limit the volume usage of his speed, he also could discover that he’s one those genetic freaks that nevertheless stays intact, and he taps into it more. So far so good. Looking at Anthony Richardson. His size hasn’t kept him healthy.

You putting this on Poles for choosing CW instead, Fleet? There was no indication that Jayden would come out of the draft playing like this, Fleet. CW was the "generational" guy at QB, the consensus #1 pick. Jayden was the WR speed guy who could QB similar to how Justin was the RB rushing guy who could QB. I can't blame Poles for betting on KOBE! CW IS KOBE!

Not yet!

Stay tuned. I was a Drake Maye guy. It is Pole’s job though to make the best choices on talent. You can’t blow this call. And lets also add in CJ Stroud and *gasp* Bryce Young. It’s all on his report card TJR. This is a million dollar job, and we expect million dollar results.

Your logic is flawless but ice cold Fleet. Damn. I can't argue with you. Further complicating matters, the jury on CW's report card is gonna come in soon.

[MAQ]

so where would caleb go in a draft of all nfl QBs, age and contract factored in?

obviously 5 going ahead of him: mahomes, jackson, allen, burrow, daniels

i think he pretty clearly goes ahead of: goff (age/contract), stafford (ditto), dak (ditto), mayfield, tua, nix, bryce, ward

so...the competition for the 6-14 slots:

herbert (age 27, 65 QBR, $55 per for 5 years)
hurts (age 27, 62 QBR, $61 per for 4 years, 1 title)
lawrence (age 26, 52 QBR, $38 per for 4 years)
love (age 27, 66 QBR, $59 per for 4 years)
maye (age 23, 59 QBR, $14 per for 4 years)
murray (age 28, 60 QBR, $47 per for 4 years)
purdy (age 25, 71 QBR, $45 per for 6 years)
stroud (age 24, 54 QBR, $17 per for 3 years)

I feel like he's either 5th or 7th.

Only guys in question, to me, are Daniels and Stroud. If Stroud's play from last season makes him a question next to Caleb, Daniels has to remain a question as well, imo. If Daniels isn't a question, neither is Stroud.

[Dresden]

While we mention that his size could limit the volume usage of his speed, he also could discover that he’s one those genetic freaks that nevertheless stays intact, and he taps into it more. So far so good. Looking at Anthony Richardson. His size hasn’t kept him healthy.

You putting this on Poles for choosing CW instead, Fleet? There was no indication that Jayden would come out of the draft playing like this, Fleet. CW was the "generational" guy at QB, the consensus #1 pick. Jayden was the WR speed guy who could QB similar to how Justin was the RB rushing guy who could QB. I can't blame Poles for betting on KOBE! CW IS KOBE!

Not yet!

Stay tuned. I was a Drake Maye guy. It is Pole’s job though to make the best choices on talent. You can’t blow this call. And lets also add in CJ Stroud and *gasp* Bryce Young. It’s all on his report card TJR. This is a million dollar job, and we expect million dollar results.

I disagree that "you can't blow this call". Lynch and Shanahan blew the call on Trey Lance, and they're still around. Just because he's in a high profile, high paying position doesn't mean Poles has to be God like in his ability to foresee the future. You can only make the best decision you can make based on the information you have. There's nothing that guarantees you will always make the right one when it comes to the NFL draft.

[dice]

so where would caleb go in a draft of all nfl QBs, age and contract factored in?

obviously 5 going ahead of him: mahomes, jackson, allen, burrow, daniels

i think he pretty clearly goes ahead of: goff (age/contract), stafford (ditto), dak (ditto), mayfield, tua, nix, bryce, ward

so...the competition for the 6-14 slots:

herbert (age 27, 65 QBR, $55 per for 5 years)
hurts (age 27, 62 QBR, $61 per for 4 years, 1 title)
lawrence (age 26, 52 QBR, $38 per for 4 years)
love (age 27, 66 QBR, $59 per for 4 years)
maye (age 23, 59 QBR, $14 per for 4 years)
murray (age 28, 60 QBR, $47 per for 4 years)
purdy (age 25, 71 QBR, $45 per for 6 years)
stroud (age 24, 54 QBR, $17 per for 3 years)

I feel like he's either 5th or 7th.

Only guys in question, to me, are Daniels and Stroud. If Stroud's play from last season makes him a question next to Caleb, Daniels has to remain a question as well, imo. If Daniels isn't a question, neither is Stroud.

almost anyone would take daniels over either stroud or caleb. better rookie year than CJ and no soph. slump (yet?)

i think caleb is #5 going into last season. now, for me anyway, 6-14 goes something like this:

herbert
purdy
hurts
caleb
maye
love
stroud
murray
lawrence

[fleet]

so where would caleb go in a draft of all nfl QBs, age and contract factored in?

obviously 5 going ahead of him: mahomes, jackson, allen, burrow, daniels

i think he pretty clearly goes ahead of: goff (age/contract), stafford (ditto), dak (ditto), mayfield, tua, nix, bryce, ward

so...the competition for the 6-14 slots:

herbert (age 27, 65 QBR, $55 per for 5 years)
hurts (age 27, 62 QBR, $61 per for 4 years, 1 title)
lawrence (age 26, 52 QBR, $38 per for 4 years)
love (age 27, 66 QBR, $59 per for 4 years)
maye (age 23, 59 QBR, $14 per for 4 years)
murray (age 28, 60 QBR, $47 per for 4 years)
purdy (age 25, 71 QBR, $45 per for 6 years)
stroud (age 24, 54 QBR, $17 per for 3 years)

I feel like he's either 5th or 7th.

Only guys in question, to me, are Daniels and Stroud. If Stroud's play from last season makes him a question next to Caleb, Daniels has to remain a question as well, imo. If Daniels isn't a question, neither is Stroud.

almost anyone would take daniels over either stroud or caleb. better rookie year than CJ and no soph. slump (yet?)

i think caleb is #5 going into last season. now, for me anyway, 6-14 goes something like this:

herbert
purdy
hurts
caleb
maye
love
stroud
murray
lawrence

Don’t know about age factors. But PFF ranks em anyway:



1. PATRICK MAHOMES, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS


2. JOE BURROW, CINCINNATI BENGALS


3. LAMAR JACKSON, BALTIMORE RAVENS
4. JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO BILLS


5. JALEN HURTS, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES.

6. JAYDEN DANIELS, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS


7. MATTHEW STAFFORD, LOS ANGELES RAMS


8. JUSTIN HERBERT, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

9. JARED GOFF, DETROIT LIONS


11. BROCK PURDY, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

12. JORDAN LOVE, GREEN BAY PACKERS

13. BAKER MAYFIELD, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

14. C.J. STROUD, HOUSTON TEXANS

15. KYLER MURRAY, ARIZONA CARDINALS

16. TREVOR LAWRENCE, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

17. DAK PRESCOTT, DALLAS COWBOYS

18. TUA TAGOVAILOA, MIAMI DOLPHINS


19. BO NIX, DENVER BRONCOS


20. BRYCE YOUNG, CAROLINA PANTHERS

21. J.J. MCCARTHY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS.

22. DRAKE MAYE, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

23. MICHAEL PENIX JR., ATLANTA FALCONS
24. CALEB WILLIAMS, CHICAGO BEARS
25. CAMERON WARD, TENNESSEE TITANS


26. SAM DARNOLD, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

27. RUSSELL WILSON, NEW YORK GIANTS

28. JUSTIN FIELDS, NEW YORK JETS

29. JOE FLACCO, CLEVELAND BROWNS
30. ANTHONY RICHARDSON, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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[dice]

21. J.J. MCCARTHY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS.

22. DRAKE MAYE, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

23. MICHAEL PENIX JR., ATLANTA FALCONS
24. CALEB WILLIAMS, CHICAGO BEARS
25. CAMERON WARD, TENNESSEE TITANS


26. SAM DARNOLD, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

27. RUSSELL WILSON, NEW YORK GIANTS

28. JUSTIN FIELDS, NEW YORK JETS

29. JOE FLACCO, CLEVELAND BROWNS
30. ANTHONY RICHARDSON, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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PFF must've been very high on JJ coming out of college

[fleet]

Looks like somebody is suffering from some dead legs today. Takes rookies by surprise sometimes. Bieienemy almost had to laugh.

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[TheJordanRule]

You putting this on Poles for choosing CW instead, Fleet? There was no indication that Jayden would come out of the draft playing like this, Fleet. CW was the "generational" guy at QB, the consensus #1 pick. Jayden was the WR speed guy who could QB similar to how Justin was the RB rushing guy who could QB. I can't blame Poles for betting on KOBE! CW IS KOBE!

Not yet!

Stay tuned. I was a Drake Maye guy. It is Pole’s job though to make the best choices on talent. You can’t blow this call. And lets also add in CJ Stroud and *gasp* Bryce Young. It’s all on his report card TJR. This is a million dollar job, and we expect million dollar results.

I disagree that "you can't blow this call". Lynch and Shanahan blew the call on Trey Lance, and they're still around. Just because he's in a high profile, high paying position doesn't mean Poles has to be God like in his ability to foresee the future. You can only make the best decision you can make based on the information you have. There's nothing that guarantees you will always make the right one when it comes to the NFL draft.

I don’t think Fleet is saying that the call on our QB is the ONLY measure we should use to judge Poles, simply that it’s a major factor on the report card. And considering the crucial impact of that specific position on our franchise’s fortunes, I’m inclined to agree. Fleet’s point is Poles has not lacked for opportunities in this regard… we also had last year’s top pick and passed on CJ. And Poles gets paid millions to evaluate these prospects accurately. We can’t expect him to be flawless, only very good accomplishing what the top GMs in this game accomplish. The standard is very high, but it makes sense.

[CBS7]

Looks like somebody is suffering from some dead legs today. Takes rookies by surprise sometimes. Bieienemy almost had to laugh.

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Looks worse than it is, he lead with the wrong foot. Hard to recover from that and looks awkward.

[TheJordanRule]

so where would caleb go in a draft of all nfl QBs, age and contract factored in?

obviously 5 going ahead of him: mahomes, jackson, allen, burrow, daniels

i think he pretty clearly goes ahead of: goff (age/contract), stafford (ditto), dak (ditto), mayfield, tua, nix, bryce, ward

so...the competition for the 6-14 slots:

herbert (age 27, 65 QBR, $55 per for 5 years)
hurts (age 27, 62 QBR, $61 per for 4 years, 1 title)
lawrence (age 26, 52 QBR, $38 per for 4 years)
love (age 27, 66 QBR, $59 per for 4 years)
maye (age 23, 59 QBR, $14 per for 4 years)
murray (age 28, 60 QBR, $47 per for 4 years)
purdy (age 25, 71 QBR, $45 per for 6 years)
stroud (age 24, 54 QBR, $17 per for 3 years)

I feel like he's either 5th or 7th.

Only guys in question, to me, are Daniels and Stroud. If Stroud's play from last season makes him a question next to Caleb, Daniels has to remain a question as well, imo. If Daniels isn't a question, neither is Stroud.

almost anyone would take daniels over either stroud or caleb. better rookie year than CJ and no soph. slump (yet?)

i think caleb is #5 going into last season. now, for me anyway, 6-14 goes something like this:

herbert
purdy
hurts
caleb
maye
love
stroud
murray
lawrence

This discussion is useful for evaluating how good it feels to be a Bears fan right now, and the answer is pretty damn good Dice! I’ll take the sixth best QB in an NFL redraft! Damn, aside from the Jay Cutler years, QB has always been a sore spot for us. CW will NOT let us down! CW IS KOBE!!!!

[fleet]

The Caleb question is so fraught with unknowables because of the way the Bears inexplicably botched Caleb’s rookie season. Obviously, Ben Johnson or Harbaugh or someone else that has a clue should have been hired in Chicago last year to pair with a rookie quarterback, and we would have a lot better answers to the question. Not to absolve Caleb though with his part. I don’t know enough about Caleb to make the call very well. Gun to my head today, theoretically I might preference towards rolling with above average known quantities over Caleb. Practically speaking, a GM could not do that in reality at this point, nor could I. This is happening. If Ben can get Caleb to get rid of the ball, come up with game-plans and quarterback MO to mitigate Caleb’s problems, that would help to make the evaluation easier. But that’s not yet knowable. Quarterbacks that get sacked in college tend to get sacked in the NFL. And not very often does this greatly improve. How much baggage can Caleb carry. How much baggage can Ben Johnson take off of Caleb.

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[TheJordanRule]

The Caleb question is so fraught with unknowables because of the way the Bears inexplicably botched Caleb’s rookie season. Obviously, Ben Johnson or Harbaugh or someone else that has a clue should have been hired in Chicago last year to pair with a rookie quarterback, and we would have a lot better answers to the question. Not to absolve Caleb though with his part. I don’t know enough about Caleb to make the call very well. Gun to my head today, theoretically I might preference towards rolling with above average known quantities over Caleb. Practically speaking, a GM could not do that in reality at this point, nor could I. This is happening. If Ben can get Caleb to get rid of the ball, come up with game-plans and quarterback MO to mitigate Caleb’s problems, that would help to make the evaluation easier. But that’s not yet knowable. Quarterbacks that get sacked in college tend to get sacked in the NFL. And not very often does this greatly improve. How much baggage can Caleb carry. How much baggage can Ben Johnson take off of Caleb.

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I feel you, Fleet. But what's CW's biggest unknowable? Potential, which he oozes. I think his upside is all time historically great. This brother CW gave us many flashes last year. If he builds on those flashes, look out! And his mindset is a winner's mindset, he's deeply passionate about this game and he's a self starter, cerebral leader. We are in for a MAJOR treat this year. Trust! CW IS KOBE!

[nomorezorro]

you can just wait a few months and you'll have a better sense of how good he is

[Dresden]

Not yet!

Stay tuned. I was a Drake Maye guy. It is Pole’s job though to make the best choices on talent. You can’t blow this call. And lets also add in CJ Stroud and *gasp* Bryce Young. It’s all on his report card TJR. This is a million dollar job, and we expect million dollar results.

I disagree that "you can't blow this call". Lynch and Shanahan blew the call on Trey Lance, and they're still around. Just because he's in a high profile, high paying position doesn't mean Poles has to be God like in his ability to foresee the future. You can only make the best decision you can make based on the information you have. There's nothing that guarantees you will always make the right one when it comes to the NFL draft.

I don’t think Fleet is saying that the call on our QB is the ONLY measure we should use to judge Poles, simply that it’s a major factor on the report card. And considering the crucial impact of that specific position on our franchise’s fortunes, I’m inclined to agree. Fleet’s point is Poles has not lacked for opportunities in this regard… we also had last year’s top pick and passed on CJ. And Poles gets paid millions to evaluate these prospects accurately. We can’t expect him to be flawless, only very good accomplishing what the top GMs in this game accomplish. The standard is very high, but it makes sense.

You can't judge a person just on what he makes. You have to judge him on how he compares to other GM's. I think almost every other GM would have taken Caleb over Daniels or Maye. You have to give credit to the WAS GM for taking Daniels over Maye, which was a much closer call. Although luck plays a huge part in any of these decisions, which is another reason why you can't say your GM is no good because he made the wrong call, when almost everyone thought it was the right call at the time.

Also, I don't see how you can say Bryce Young was in anyway a knock on Poles. There's no definitive proof he would have taken Young over Stroud, and in any case, he traded the pick and got a king's ransom for it- a haul that will likely set the Bears up for a nice run here very soon. So Poles gets dinged for not taking Daniels instead of Caleb, yet gets no credit for making a very astute trade for the pick that ended up being Bryce Young? That kind of logic is indicative of a very biased view of Poles.

[Hold That]

21. J.J. MCCARTHY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS.

22. DRAKE MAYE, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

23. MICHAEL PENIX JR., ATLANTA FALCONS
24. CALEB WILLIAMS, CHICAGO BEARS
25. CAMERON WARD, TENNESSEE TITANS


26. SAM DARNOLD, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

27. RUSSELL WILSON, NEW YORK GIANTS

28. JUSTIN FIELDS, NEW YORK JETS

29. JOE FLACCO, CLEVELAND BROWNS
30. ANTHONY RICHARDSON, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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PFF must've been very high on JJ coming out of college

He was their #1 ranked QB coming out of that draft

[Dominator83]

From what I've read, Caleb wasn't even better than Case Keenum in practice

[Dresden]

From what I've read, Caleb wasn't even better than Case Keenum in practice

That is concerning. I hope they have an open competition for QB- let the best man win between Caleb, Bagent and Kase. Of course I hope it's Caleb, but if he can't get with it, then put in someone who can and let him learn on the bench until he's ready.

[Jeffster81]

From what I've read, Caleb wasn't even better than Case Keenum in practice

That is concerning. I hope they have an open competition for QB- let the best man win between Caleb, Bagent and Kase. Of course I hope it's Caleb, but if he can't get with it, then put in someone who can and let him learn on the bench until he's ready.

It really isn't. Case was not brought in to play he was brought in to essentially be a player-coach for Caleb and Tyson.

In the end CW is QB1, Tyson is QB2 and Case is QB3. Maybe Case jumps Tyson but to me there is no competition for QB1.

[TheGOATRises007]

From what I've read, Caleb wasn't even better than Case Keenum in practice

That is concerning. I hope they have an open competition for QB- let the best man win between Caleb, Bagent and Kase. Of course I hope it's Caleb, but if he can't get with it, then put in someone who can and let him learn on the bench until he's ready.

You need to let this go man.

Let's see how Caleb plays out the season before doing a competition for starting QB.