2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

twix2500 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
We already have him, just a couple years older.

We need a defensive two guard who can score that won’t break the bank. I like Caris LeVert

Need a lot of things.

I dont think Cam Thomas breaks the bank. The Heat got 60 mill dollars they need to trade for better use

Actually he would if you analyze it. Allegedly we have a plan to have cap space for a max player. Once you add long term salary, remember we are already 30+ with Wiggins, 50 mil with Bam, 30 mil with Herro, then let’s add the 20 mil for Cam, we would be left with barely anything over the non tax payer MLE. We wouldn’t have the max cap space. Oh that’s not even touching Mitchell getting resigned or Jovic getting resigned. We are not in a good spot financially.

This is why we keep on hearing about KD because our front office is desperate and he would be the easiest fix even though he would cost us real assets (Ware) unfortunately. The Sun won’t care about our picks and well JJJ and Jovic don’t have positive value unfortunately.

twix2500 · Post #689 » by **twix2500** » Thu May 29, 2025 12:55 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:

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Hate having no faith in players with these types of injuries.

MartyConlonJr · Post #690 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Thu May 29, 2025 12:59 am

I know we are probably not contenders, but at the same time if you flip Roziers minutes for Dru Smith, how many of those 20+ games we had double digit leads in and lost do we win? 10? 15? That's home court in the East.

Really don't know what to do with this team hey? We still run into those roadblocks where we have Herro targeted on D, or have noone to score and focus entirely on wearing Herro out.

marson · Post #691 » by **marson** » Thu May 29, 2025 1:12 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:I know we are probably not contenders, but at the same time if you flip Roziers minutes for Dru Smith, how many of those 20+ games we had double digit leads in and lost do we win? 10? 15? That's home court in the East.

Really don't know what to do with this team hey? We still run into those roadblocks where we have Herro targeted on D, or have noone to score and focus entirely on wearing Herro out.

It wouldn't have mattered. Heat are like 1-6 in last 3 years playoff home games.

contract · Post #692 » by **contract** » Thu May 29, 2025 3:52 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:Giving up future assets for 37 year old is never the answer

Or for a 36 year old, or a 35 year old, or a 34 year old. 32 & 33 is iffy.

RexBoyWonder · Post #693 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu May 29, 2025 7:24 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:

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Lowkey his injury was a gut punch for this team.

Got to respect the kid, he's a fighter. Deserves another chance, just needs to stay healthy.

RexBoyWonder · Post #694 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu May 29, 2025 7:36 am

contract wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Giving up future assets for 37 year old is never the answer

Or for a 36 year old, or a 35 year old, or a 34 year old. 32 & 33 is iffy.

33 is probably where I put the line.

You can still hope for a realisitc 3 year window if you add a stud 33YO.

If I'm giving up real future assets, weather it's picks or young guys we like on team friendly contracts - 3 year window is the minimum I'd want to make it worthwhile.

There's nothing more dangerous then giving up your future for very old stars.

You can quickly find yourself being bad, stuck, and with no way to improve. FOR YEARS. Just look at the Suns, Durant's current team ffs.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #695 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu May 29, 2025 12:24 pm

Read on Twitter

Good morning.

batterybro42 · Post #696 » by **batterybro42** » Thu May 29, 2025 1:34 pm

Luka can sign the extension with the Lakers August 2nd

IFFFF he does not and we have not made a move by then, I hope we just run this back, and have the discussion again in the summer. No new deals get under the tax line, play the season out. Let our assets gain value, and continue to build with them moving forward. Miami would have the salary cap available to sign Luka outright. Then you have Herro on the last year of his deal who could be shipped out with all our draft capital to bring in another star or he may have taken the step himself. I do not rule this scenario out, with the Lakers being asset depleted, and LeBron over the age of 40. They will have a difficult time retooling that team, and I am not sure how much the foreign guy who is a bit awkward will enjoy the entire Lebron experience over the next year.

This Lakers situation is far trickier than most would see it on its face

Hallstar · Post #697 » by **Hallstar** » Thu May 29, 2025 2:46 pm

batterybro42 wrote:Luka can sign the extension with the Lakers August 2nd

IFFFF he does not and we have not made a move by then, I hope we just run this back, and have the discussion again in the summer. No new deals get under the tax line, play the season out. Let our assets gain value, and continue to build with them moving forward. Miami would have the salary cap available to sign Luka outright. Then you have Herro on the last year of his deal who could be shipped out with all our draft capital to bring in another star or he may have taken the step himself. I do not rule this scenario out, with the Lakers being asset depleted, and LeBron over the age of 40. They will have a difficult time retooling that team, and I am not sure how much the foreign guy who is a bit awkward will enjoy the entire Lebron experience over the next year.

This Lakers situation is far trickier than most would see it on its face

Can't Luka get the most money if he doesn't extend?

greg4012 · Post #698 » by **greg4012** » Thu May 29, 2025 3:03 pm

batterybro42 wrote:Luka can sign the extension with the Lakers August 2nd

IFFFF he does not and we have not made a move by then, I hope we just run this back, and have the discussion again in the summer. No new deals get under the tax line, play the season out. Let our assets gain value, and continue to build with them moving forward. Miami would have the salary cap available to sign Luka outright. Then you have Herro on the last year of his deal who could be shipped out with all our draft capital to bring in another star or he may have taken the step himself. I do not rule this scenario out, with the Lakers being asset depleted, and LeBron over the age of 40. They will have a difficult time retooling that team, and I am not sure how much the foreign guy who is a bit awkward will enjoy the entire Lebron experience over the next year.

This Lakers situation is far trickier than most would see it on its face

Luka's decision this offseason is HUGE. He either (1) opts to sign a 2+1 extension which would lock him in with LA through the 2028 season, at which point he'll have accrued 10 years in NBA and will be supermax eligible for his next deal (with any team); or (2) he doesn't sign anything this offseason and plays out the 2026 season and then opts for 2026 free agency (where LA has no built-in advantage in terms of offering him more) where he would likely aim to sign a 2+1 deal with any team and opt out after 2 seasons to secure a supermax.

LA is in a pretty tricky spot in terms of finding avenues to improve the team around Luka. All indications are that LeBron is going to opt into his contract for next season, which gives them no real flexibility with free agency. LA basically has 1 tradeable FRP, Dalton Knecht, and then the following bevy of current role players that they have available to trade to build something better around Luka, Lebron, and Reaves:

- Rui Hachimura ($18M expiring after next season)
- Gabe Vincent ($11.5M expiring after next season)
- Maxi Kleber ($11M expiring after next season)
- Jarred Vanderbilt (under contract through 2027)

If I were LA, I'd add Austin Reaves to the pool of players to trade for the best big possible. He's due to get paid after next season and he's not the best complement to Luka.

The thing is, the role players that LA may trade also make up all of their best defensive players--so what are they really gonna make out of them that will improve the overall team?

If LA doesn't get blessed with a big time frontcourt player this offseason, Luka doesn't sign an extension this offseason and next season just ends up being a LeBron farewell tour, then things will be fascinating for a Luka free agency in 2026. LA will presumably have some cap space to work with if Lebron retires, but the pool of 2026 free agents provides nothing compelling for a long-term pairing for Luka outside of Jaren Jackson Jr.

Jaren Jackson Jr is not supermax eligible, so his contract extension negotiations this offseason should be impactful. If he extends with MEM, then LA has no real star pairing to target in 2026 to put with Luka. This article is a good breakdown of his contract situation: https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2025/05/28/jaren-jackson-jr-contract-extension-memphis-grizzlies/83427328007/

With all that said, all indications are that there will be A LOT of transactions across the NBA this offseason. I'm certain the Heat will be involved. The question is if the Heat will make a big move or just be a facilitator and aim to further clean up the books and assets for the years to come. I'm mostly in favor of that approach unless a really compelling deal manifests.

2026 NBA draft looks like a really special one (although that is often said a year out). I wouldn't be mad with another dev season (maybe Bam and Herro miss some extended time).

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #699 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu May 29, 2025 3:18 pm

I’m down to run it back if we have a legitimate shot at Luka and plan on doing everything in our power to get it done. We need to move Herro and assets after that though to bring in an elite player to go along with Luka/Bam though. You can’t have a Luka/Herro defensive backcourt imo.

twix2500 · Post #700 » by **twix2500** » Thu May 29, 2025 3:21 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
contract wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Giving up future assets for 37 year old is never the answer

Or for a 36 year old, or a 35 year old, or a 34 year old. 32 & 33 is iffy.

33 is probably where I put the line.

You can still hope for a realisitc 3 year window if you add a stud 33YO.

If I'm giving up real future assets, weather it's picks or young guys we like on team friendly contracts - 3 year window is the minimum I'd want to make it worthwhile.

There's nothing more dangerous then giving up your future for very old stars.

You can quickly find yourself being bad, stuck, and with no way to improve. FOR YEARS. Just look at the Suns, Durant's current team ffs.

Amazing how this room was condemning the heat pursuit of Jimmy Butler when he was 29 because they felt he was too old. But ready to worship the idea of trading for a 37 year old Durant.