What if Giannis chooses and Toronto on short list - Does this change Conversation?

[anotherhomer]

Are we sure the Rockets wouldn't trade Sengun? I know Udoka has been pressuring the FO to make some win-now moves for 2 years now. 2-3 years ago I doubt you find anyone that would take Sengun over Barnes. Now? I bet it's 50/50 and maybe even tilted towards Sengun with recency bias, coming off an All-Star season and being one of the main pieces of a 52-win team.

In a nice piece of business, Stone also signed him well below market value. Barnes will make more next season than Sengun and Jabari combined.

The Rockets and Spurs could offer some attractive assets for sure. Question is whether Giannis would be happy going to the West.

And in terms of Sengun, I think the Bucks might be more interested in Amen than Sengun. If Barnes were being offered by the Raps, I would think the Bucks would be asking for Amen to top the Raps offer.

There is a story, perpetuated by Bucks fans themselves, that he once asked his accountant how much his take-home pay would be if he played in a non-taxed State lol. Not sure how true that is, but again, it's Bucks fans that say it is. I know his wife also went to university there FWIW.

I think he's more likely to go to the Spurs...i think it's a chance to be competitive, play in a non-tax state and etc....however i think we can't discount Toronto

[Troubadour]

Flipping Scottie for Giannis is a perfect opportunity for the Raptors to actually compete in the parity era.

Brandon Ingram can fill the Khris Middleton role. You have complementary starters in IQ, RJ and Poeltl. You have young depth to grow with Giannis too. Pretty great opportunity!

[Coco Costanza]

Flipping Scottie for Giannis is a perfect opportunity for the Raptors to actually compete in the parity era.

Brandon Ingram can fill the Khris Middleton role. You have complementary starters in IQ, RJ and Poeltl. You have young depth to grow with Giannis too. Pretty great opportunity!

The Bucks aren't trading Giannis for just Scottie straight up.

[Troubadour]

Flipping Scottie for Giannis is a perfect opportunity for the Raptors to actually compete in the parity era.

Brandon Ingram can fill the Khris Middleton role. You have complementary starters in IQ, RJ and Poeltl. You have young depth to grow with Giannis too. Pretty great opportunity!

The Bucks aren't trading Giannis for just Scottie straight up.

True, I'd do

Giannis for Scottie Barnes, Gradey Dick, Ja'Kobe Walter, 9th pick

Leaving:
IQ / Shead
RJ / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Giannis / Mogbo
Poeltl / Boucher

[anotherhomer]

Flipping Scottie for Giannis is a perfect opportunity for the Raptors to actually compete in the parity era.

Brandon Ingram can fill the Khris Middleton role. You have complementary starters in IQ, RJ and Poeltl. You have young depth to grow with Giannis too. Pretty great opportunity!

The Bucks aren't trading Giannis for just Scottie straight up.

True, I'd do

Giannis for Scottie Barnes, Gradey Dick, Ja'Kobe Walter, 9th pick

Leaving:
IQ / Shead
RJ / Agbaji
Ingram / Battle
Giannis / Mogbo
Poeltl / Boucher

it's too thin...You better off keeping one of Gradey or Jakobe and give up another FRP

Move RJ to the bench (yes, if you want to win, you need to move RJ to bench) to balance the starting line-up and bench better.

IQ/Shead
Agbaji/RJ/Jakobe
Ingram/Agbaji/Battle
Giannis/Mogbo
Poetl/Boucher

Sign Brook Lopez, with a few projects, and you got a winning team

[TheRaptor!]

OKC winning the chip makes them out of contention for Giannis

The stars are aliging, I'm feeling super confident to get him.

Are we a better team with him than the Pacers is the question. Boston is out next year, Cleveland are frauds and so are the Knicks.

[canz55]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

[TheRaptor!]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Scottie is nothing special, at most a Siakam level player in his prime and Siakam was traded for peanuts

[Tripod]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

[PushDaRock]

Unless Giannis demands to stay in the East, just don't see how any of these teams beat out the Spurs or even Rockets. Would also think the Bucks want to send him out west anyways.

[djsunyc]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

the issue is contracts. we dont have any to add players to the mix.

[canz55]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

Giannis will never be Kawhi and we'll never have the team to win with Giannis.

This is the Durant situation all over again and people are blowing their load over a player who just isn't as dynamic as people are letting on.

[Clay Davis]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

Giannis will never be Kawhi and we'll never have the team to win with Giannis.

This is the Durant situation all over again and people are blowing their load over a player who just isn't as dynamic as people are letting on.

Which is funny since if KD wore shoes a half size smaller he could very likely have eliminated him lol. Giannis got that rizz but he's no Kawhi, I don't think.

[Merit]

If this year's pick was top 2..maybe even 3 you might have a chance to make a trade package without Barnes.

With 9th pick being the best pick in the package they can offer.. can't see it happening. If they are willing..you take it and run but let's be honest with ourselves this is not 2k.

If the Raptors had #2 they would still not be able to trade for giannis without Barnes.

It's crazy how casual basketball fans over-value draft picks.

Ingram is better than the expected outcome for the 3rd overall pick. But watch the tank ppl deny this. They are in love with the roulette wheel.

Watch how jaded they are about Brandon Ingram. Watch how overly optimistic they are about the top 5 prospects under the age of 20.

It's weird. They love young boys and they are jaded about grown men. Don't blame me for their weirdness. Doesn't exist in any other sports fan archetype except for basketball tanker trolls.

There ain't no sri lankan cricket fans that hate all the cricket players older than 23 lol. This is a very specific thing.

I blame video game simulators. They should have never given us video game general manager modes.

I think it's also the nature of basketball viewership. So ppl watch the game and see the ball either go down or out. And this becomes some sort of roulette wheel for ppl. So many ppl who have no understanding of basketball convince themselves of being able to understand the game because they familiarize themselves with stats that determine their fantasy league outcomes.

If you disagree with Ime udoka and believe that Fred vanvleet is a horrible basketball player....that's the best litmus test. If it confounds you why Fred isn't playing in China....you are a casual fan that doesn't understand the game.

Which makes sense why such casuals gravitate towards young prospects who have never proven they can play ball with real men.

So strange...there are not large vocal contingencies of hockey fans that claim veterans are sabotaging prospects lol. You don't see that with NFL or MLB fans either.

You don’t get to call other posters casuals when earlier in this thread you were arguing the Mavs did the right thing by keeping the Luka trade negotiations secret.

Genuine question: what does the mavs keeping the Luka trade secret have to do with the overvaluing of prospects and draft picks (aka mystery boxes)?

The magic is in rookie scale contracts contributing and in depth/glue pieces being below market value.

[Merit]

this team ain't winning a chip with Poeltl at center.

Id trust Poeltl over any of our players. You obviously don't watch games

I watch them and the product of the team is not good the last two years ever since Poeltl was acquired.

Now, that being said, I didn't say Poeltl was not good but as currently constructed and what Poeltl offers the team, this team would serve much better with a better two way player with range vs what Poeltl has shown the last two years.

Thay being said, Poeltl is a good player. But not for this team. Well not until he can show more range in his game. It happened to Brook Lopez I suppose.

Poeltl is wildly underrated by this board. Additionally, he doesn’t need to be a shooter, Scottie does. That opens everything.

[JB7]

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

Giannis will never be Kawhi and we'll never have the team to win with Giannis.

This is the Durant situation all over again and people are blowing their load over a player who just isn't as dynamic as people are letting on.

Which is funny since if KD wore shoes a half size smaller he could very likely have eliminated him lol. Giannis got that rizz but he's no Kawhi, I don't think.

Kawhi at his best was similar to Jordan. Thrived on the big moments, and could make all the big plays, whether that was a basket or key defensive stop.

I see Giannis in more of the mold of Shaq. All round dominance on offence and defence, but not someone the team could trust with the crunch time shot.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

U had a nice follow up hidden in ur post already

(Its not a trade, its a signing, but still)

If bucks bite on Scottie + Dick + Walter + 9, we’re gonna need the depth, and NAW can shoot & defend. Very good fit. If Ingram stays healthy this is a contender boys..

I think it’s a pretty nice roster for the playoffs:
IQ/Shead
Agbaji/RJ (6th man)
Ingram/NAW/Battle
Giannis/Mogbo
Poeltl/2nd round pick

[mihaic]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

I know right, why would the Bucks do it.

[Raps in 4]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Scottie is nothing special, at most a Siakam level player in his prime and Siakam was traded for peanuts

Siakam was traded for peanuts because we waited until he had 3 months left on his contract to trade him.

But even then, 3x FRPs is not peanuts. It's just much less than what we could have gotten if we had traded him a year or two earlier.

[Raps in 4]

Trading Scottie for a 31 year old Giannis who only has two years left on his deal is so dumb.

Naw...you do that every time.

Then do follow up trades to round out the lineup like we did adding Gasol.

With what assets?

The Kawhi trade was unique in that the team was already a perennial 50+ game winner and we effectively just swapped out Derozan for Kawhi. We still had pieces left to move after the fact.

Kawhi was also a much more dynamic player than Giannis. Giannis needs a very specific team built around him because his game has serious limitations (he can't shoot). Building that team could take years. That's time we don't have given Giannis' age and contract situation.