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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#701 » by nowayguy » Thu May 29, 2025 2:00 am

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It's also a 8 game sample size.


The number seems to be 18 unless I'm counting wrong. It seems to be virtually impossible, even from a quick glance, that they only played 8 top 100 teams all season when they played 4 in the tournament alone. I'm assuming it uses NET ratings to determine Top 100 opponents but maybe they have their own system.


You are correct, typo on my end.


Upon closer look, the article seems to be written before the end of the season anyway judging from some of the links in the Swish Theory post. The final season numbers may support your position but I don't have any way to check that sort of thing.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#702 » by XTC » Thu May 29, 2025 2:04 am

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The number seems to be 18 unless I'm counting wrong. It seems to be virtually impossible, even from a quick glance, that they only played 8 top 100 teams all season when they played 4 in the tournament alone. I'm assuming it uses NET ratings to determine Top 100 opponents but maybe they have their own system.


You are correct, typo on my end.


Upon closer look, the article seems to be written before the end of the season anyway judging from some of the links in the Swish Theory post. The final season numbers may support your position but I don't have any way to check that sort of thing.


I use databases TBH, alongside actually watching prospects.

Hoop-Explorer is a great tool to to evaluate college prospects.

Barttorvik is another great one
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#703 » by Johnston » Thu May 29, 2025 2:11 am

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Probably pass on both, I know who B is right away. Did A play in a major conference?


I don't get Hansen Yang hype. His stats are inflated from the CBA. Can anyone please watch one CBA game and find anything resembling a pro league?

Yang is a terrible mover and way out of shape for the NBA. If some team drafts him expecting Joker they will be disappointed. He is like Nurkic with worse defense. Actually reminds me of Big Country for all those old Grizzlies fans.


Out of shape? He might be the most jacked 7fter in the world.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#705 » by PhilBlackson » Thu May 29, 2025 2:35 am

Just as a random thought but Carter Bryant really reminds of all the types of players that make OKC great as a team, just saying.
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Post#706 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 29, 2025 2:36 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Just as a random thought but Carter Bryant really reminds of all the types of players that make OKC great as a team, just saying.

He’s a beast waiting to be unleashed. A future anomaly.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#707 » by WuTang_OG » Thu May 29, 2025 2:44 am

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45345869/2025-nba-draft-prospects-most-underrated-players-tahaad-pettiford-carter-bryant-drake-powell

Most popular picks
1. Tahaad Pettiford, PG, Auburn: 4 votes

Pettiford started only one game as a freshman at Auburn, but Borzello described Pettiford as "the best player on the floor" in his first scrimmage at the combine, finishing with 23 points and eight assists. The performance netted him a rise from only No. 39 to No. 37 between ESPN's pre-combine and post-combine mock drafts, but he was the most popular pick in this survey with four votes, including from former teammate Johni Broome.

Johni Broome, Auburn: "He's a very good guard, can bring a lot to an NBA team for sure. He's very explosive, he makes the right plays. He's young, but he can definitely grow into a very good young player."

Dink Pate, G League: "I like his game. I didn't know he was that explosive. He can shoot. I rock with him."

Drake Powell, North Carolina: "I think he's a really good, smart defender, and his ability to score the rock is great."

Pettiford was among four players named by Wake Forest's Hunter Sallis, along with Alex Toohey, Kam Jones and Karter Knox.



2. Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona: 3 votes

The big man from Arizona has a first-round projection, predicted at No. 14 overall to the San Antonio Spurs by ESPN following the combine. A former Wildcats teammate was among the prospects to name Bryant, but he also received recognition from our third most-picked player.

Caleb Love, Arizona: "I think he's a sleeper. He's young. His potential is through the roof and he's a catch and shoot. He can knock down and catch and shoot. He's an athletic freak and he can defend pretty much 1 through 5."

Asa Newell, Georgia: "Carter Bryant is super underrated. I just feel like his game translates to the NBA really well. He's got the size, he's got the touch, he's got the 3-point ability. And seeing him, he can definitely be a versatile defender."

Powell: "[His size], being able to guard 1 through 5, his approach to the game and his willingness to get better sets him apart."

3. Powell, SG/SF, North Carolina: 2 votes

As the first player off the board in the second round of ESPN's latest mock draft, Powell rounds out the short list of prospects named by more than one of their peers. Like Bryant, one of Powell's votes came from a college teammate and the other came from another popular pick in this survey.

RJ Davis, North Carolina: "He has the versatility to defend 1 through 4 with his length and athleticism, he's able to make an impact. But I also think he has an offensive game that wasn't really shown this past year. [He is] able to create his own and get to his midrange. Drake is not only a good athlete but a good person and someone you should want on your team."

Bryant: "Drake Powell is a name that needs to be going around NBA rooms more. He's a great athlete, a great basketball player, and he's a good human being as well."


Teammate recognition
Seven players named their college teammates, including each of the three most-picked players. The other four were not projected in ESPN's latest mock.

Terrence Edwards Jr., G, Louisville: "He's a dog on both ends the floor and he helped us tremendously, especially on the defensive side, just guarding the ball me and him switched off the best on-ball guards this past year. ... He's definitely one of the biggest sleepers I know in this draft." -- Chucky Hepburn

Chaney Johnson, F, Auburn: "[He] is the hardest worker I've ever played with, and I've played with Jabari Smith, I've played with Walker Kessler, and I've played with Sharife Cooper. The work ethic that Chaney Johnson has is second to none, definitely by far in the draft. If he were here and testing these numbers, he definitely [would have] had the highest vert. He jumps out of the gym. He's an insanely good kid. Never heard him pout, whine or slouch his shoulders. He's always on time. He's a great professional and any team that's serious about winning should look at Chaney Johnson." -- Dylan Cardwell

Micah Peavy, G, Georgetown: "He's a dog, I know he's old, but he ain't that old. He's a great player, he has a feel for the game, great defender, I think he's one of the best defenders in this class." -- Thomas Sorber

Grant Nelson, F, Alabama: "When his shot's on he can space the floor, he can guard multiple positions." -- Mark Sears

Finally, while it wasn't from a teammate, Sears did receive a vote from Creighton's Ryan Kalkbrenner: "A guy who's not on a lot of boards is Mark Sears, I played him a couple times -- I know he's small, but man, he's really good."

Votes of self confidence
Of the three prospects to pick themselves, two were not projected in ESPN's latest mock draft: Max Shulga (VCU) and RJ Luis Jr. (St. John's), the latter of whom added: "It's always good to be the underdog."

The third player to name himself, Penn State big man Yanic Konan Niederhauser, is projected to be selected in the second round (No. 36 to the Brooklyn Nets) -- and received a second vote of confidence from a fellow prosect.

"Yanic for sure," Gonzaga's Ryan Nembhard said. "He showed it the past two days, he's a hell of a prospect -- an athlete, 7 feet tall, dunks everything, has the ability to block shots and he's still pretty young."


On boards, but still underrated
The final group to earn votes features players who are projected to be first- or second-round picks in ESPN's latest mock but were still considered underrated by their peers.

Khaman Maluach, C, Duke (No. 7 in latest mock): "He's gonna be a pretty high pick, but he's definitely underrated in my opinion. Great player, young, willingness to get better, great attitude." -- Walter Clayton Jr., Florida

Collin Murray-Boyles, PF/C, South Carolina (No. 9 in latest mock): "People aren't talking about [him] enough. He's a guy that might be underlooked a bit just because of the year South Carolina had, but Collin's a guy that I think's going to excel at the next level. A great passer, great feel, super strong, that's a guy that's going to go a long way." -- Miles Byrd, San Diego State

Thomas Sorber, C, Georgetown (No. 19 in latest mock): "We played Georgetown in the Crown Tournament, and Thomas, just like me, was hurt and wasn't able to play. But as we were preparing for Georgetown, I watched his film and I was like, 'Oh this kid's got something, no wonder he entered the draft.'" -- Cedric Coward, Washington State

Labaron Philon, G, Alabama (No. 33 in latest mock): "I've seen the work that he's putting in and I think he's going to be a good player in the league." -- Jamir Watkins, Florida State

Miles Byrd, G, San Diego State (No. 43 in latest mock): "Very underrated athlete, he has a knack for making shots, a knack defensively, getting in passing lanes, being able to make reads defensively." -- Carter Bryant, Arizo
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#708 » by djsunyc » Thu May 29, 2025 3:00 am

who is the tallest pg in the draft that has scoring ability?
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Post#709 » by Mark_83 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:16 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Just as a random thought but Carter Bryant really reminds of all the types of players that make OKC great as a team, just saying.

He's literally just an improved handle away from raising his ceiling, and he already has one of the higher floors in the draft with his defense and shooting.

We also need to remember that he was the biggest player on his high school team so he primarily played the 4 and 5 except when he played in AAU tournaments. Given his age and his work ethic I wouldn't bet against him developing that key skill that will unlock the rest of his offensive game.
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Post#711 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 29, 2025 3:55 am

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Post#712 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu May 29, 2025 4:01 am

djsunyc wrote:who is the tallest pg in the draft that has scoring ability?


Dink Pete was labeled a PG heading into gleague ignite but now maybe more of a wing, but he's skinny as heck. He's intriguing, in the 2nd
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Post#714 » by bballsparkin » Thu May 29, 2025 4:22 am

A counter argument to the Dick vs Kon argument is that Kon is already strong. Sure, he won't ever have Gradey's height/length or athleticism. That's a given. Yet he already performed at a level that to me shows he can do it at the next level. I still have faith in Gradey but he needs to get much stronger. As a Canucks fan I'm still waiting for Elias Petterson to add strength. Will Gradey? Well Kon already has. And shows an ability to process fast enough and use his strengths to counter his athleticism. I don't see how you can't snatch him up at #9 if he's there.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#716 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu May 29, 2025 4:32 am

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Hint: both are prospect bigs in this draft class


Probably pass on both, I know who B is right away. Did A play in a major conference?


I don't get Hansen Yang hype. His stats are inflated from the CBA. Can anyone please watch one CBA game and find anything resembling a pro league?

Yang is a terrible mover and way out of shape for the NBA. If some team drafts him expecting Joker they will be disappointed. He is like Nurkic with worse defense. Actually reminds me of Big Country for all those old Grizzlies fans.


Prospect A is Yang?

It's one thing to post that if the guy is playing against similar or tougher competition, but it's just totally misleading in this scenario.
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Post#717 » by bballsparkin » Thu May 29, 2025 4:37 am

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I don't get Hansen Yang hype. His stats are inflated from the CBA. Can anyone please watch one CBA game and find anything resembling a pro league?

Yang is a terrible mover and way out of shape for the NBA. If some team drafts him expecting Joker they will be disappointed. He is like Nurkic with worse defense. Actually reminds me of Big Country for all those old Grizzlies fans.


BC had a nice shot. Does Yang shoot like that? Country's problem was conditioning he had skills.
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Post#720 » by RoteSchroder » Thu May 29, 2025 4:54 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Just as a random thought but Carter Bryant really reminds of all the types of players that make OKC great as a team, just saying.


Which player on OKC does Bryant remind you of?

Shai, Dort, Jalen Williams, Cason, Ousmane Dieng all had on-ball abilities with good IQ/passing/playmaking

Caruso, Isaiah Joe, Jaylin Williams, Kenrich Williams may be a little closer in role/ability, but don't have Bryant's athletic profile. I don't think any of their players are on Bryant's level in terms of athleticism actually.

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