Collin Murray-Boyles - South Carolina

[JMAC3]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

[bucknut]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

[76ciology]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

You’re not gonna be an efficient post player with that size in the NBA. Even guys like Jokic and Embiid has to trend towards becoming mid range shooters and operating at the nail.

[bucknut]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

You’re not gonna be an efficient post player with that size in the NBA. Even guys like Jokic and Embiid has to trend towards becoming mid range shooters and operating at the nail.

Even if that's the case I think his off the bounce game is a big time weapon. That's where I see a siakam comparison comes in. That feel and extension is unstoppable on the move imo

On a roll going left ...he might be at top of league. And then if he can pass out of that, that's what is scary

[76ciology]

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

You’re not gonna be an efficient post player with that size in the NBA. Even guys like Jokic and Embiid has to trend towards becoming mid range shooters and operating at the nail.

Even if that's the case I think his off the bounce game is a big time weapon. That's where I see a siakam comparison comes in. That feel and extension is unstoppable on the move imo

On a roll going left ...he might be at top of league. And then if he can pass out of that, that's what is scary

Yeah, don’t get me wrong, he’s going to be a good player. There isn’t much debate around him because he’s not a polarizing prospect. The consensus seems to agree he’ll be a solid two-way contributor, with a real chance to sneak into an All-Star or even All-NBA spot, depending on his landing spot—kind of like Siakam.

[JMAC3]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

I don't see it, Draymond is elite in PnR because teams have to trap Steph and then Draymond gets to play 4-3. If we are being honest Draymond isn't that big of threat on the pop nor is he a vertical spacer on the lob while rolling. I think the same is true for CMB, at his size he is going to struggle to catch lobs in traffic in the NBA, his standing reach isn't that special as I mentioned with the comps above.

Now take away Draymond's elite floor mapping on both ends and what little outside shooting he provides and that is likely CMB. Draymond made 91 threes his final two years in college, CMB made 9 in two years.

He is ultra fit specific, you likely need an awesome floor spacing 5 to compliment him, along with a dynamic PG who can draw doubles like Steph. That is a lot to ask for a guy that is a late lottery talent to mold your entire team around him for next 8 yrs so he can be successful. but yeah if you can do that and he can operate out of the dunkers spot on offense and be used as a versatile forward defender on the other end sure I can see him being valuable but not that many great floor spacing 5s.

Which of these teams does he fit on?

7. Pelicans- probably can't play him and Zion together, Yves doesn't space at 5.
8. Brooklyn- They don't have much, Claxton not spacing 5.
9. Toronto- Don't see the fit, heavy at forward, Poeltl not spacing 5.
10. Rockets- Amen, Sengun, CMB is really bad spacing
11. Portland- Simons would be good PnR partner but can CMB and Clingan space?
12. Chicago- Maybe best fit if they keep Vuc, but seems like he is gone
13. Atlanta- Good fit with Trae and Jalen and Okongwu shot well enough maybe
14. Spurs- Great fit with Wemby to cover his size and shooting issues.
15. OKC- Probably works with Chet
16. Orlando- Probably not a fit with Wagner and Paolo at forwards
17. Minny- Not a fit with Gobert, maybe as a role player with Naz

So yeah maybe if he goes 12-15 to those teams it works but 7 of those teams he probably doesn't work their personnel and those limiting factors with him are going to prevent you from being flexible around him in the future.

[bbms]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

I don't see it, Draymond is elite in PnR because teams have to trap Steph and then Draymond gets to play 4-3. If we are being honest Draymond isn't that big of threat on the pop nor is he a vertical spacer on the lob while rolling. I think the same is true for CMB, at his size he is going to struggle to catch lobs in traffic in the NBA, his standing reach isn't that special as I mentioned with the comps above.

Now take away Draymond's elite floor mapping on both ends and what little outside shooting he provides and that is likely CMB. Draymond made 91 threes his final two years in college, CMB made 9 in two years.

He is ultra fit specific, you likely need an awesome floor spacing 5 to compliment him, along with a dynamic PG who can draw doubles like Steph. That is a lot to ask for a guy that is a late lottery talent to mold your entire team around him for next 8 yrs so he can be successful. but yeah if you can do that and he can operate out of the dunkers spot on offense and be used as a versatile forward defender on the other end sure I can see him being valuable but not that many great floor spacing 5s.

Which of these teams does he fit on?

7. Pelicans- probably can't play him and Zion together, Yves doesn't space at 5.
8. Brooklyn- They don't have much, Claxton not spacing 5.
9. Toronto- Don't see the fit, heavy at forward, Poeltl not spacing 5.
10. Rockets- Amen, Sengun, CMB is really bad spacing
11. Portland- Simons would be good PnR partner but can CMB and Clingan space?
12. Chicago- Maybe best fit if they keep Vuc, but seems like he is gone
13. Atlanta- Good fit with Trae and Jalen and Okongwu shot well enough maybe
14. Spurs- Great fit with Wemby to cover his size and shooting issues.
15. OKC- Probably works with Chet
16. Orlando- Probably not a fit with Wagner and Paolo at forwards
17. Minny- Not a fit with Gobert, maybe as a role player with Naz

So yeah maybe if he goes 12-15 to those teams it works but 7 of those teams he probably doesn't work their personnel and those limiting factors with him are going to prevent you from being flexible around him in the future.

if he's available at 11 i'd be really disappointed if presti doesn't try to move up.

he's cason wallace in draymond green's size and jdub's defensive flexibility.

get that beefy boy to play with chet.

[HadAnEffectHere]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

He plays nothing like Draymond, he's a clone of Paul Millsap with no jumpshot. He needs a jumpshot.

[BlazersBroncos]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

He plays nothing like Draymond, he's a clone of Paul Millsap with no jumpshot. He needs a jumpshot.

This.

He is a hard guy to make fit. OKC might be the best w/ all their shooting. The pre-shot Millsap is a nice comparison. See his floor as RHJ.

[MrTribbiani]

If I were OKC I would draft Rasheer Fleming at 15.

I personally wouldn't touch Collin in the lottery because his jumpshot is too inconsistent. I could see Miami taking a gamble on him at 20 though.

[bucknut]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

Or he's Draymond green with a much better offensive game. Hes kind of got Draymond and thad Young's stocks

I think he was most efficient post player in cbb. The pick and roll with this guy could be a hub play and one of the most efficient plays in basketball.

Think how high guys like giddy and egor demon are valued for being creators and bring not much else.

I think he's good even if he can't shoot the three. His other traits are elite.

He plays nothing like Draymond, he's a clone of Paul Millsap with no jumpshot. He needs a jumpshot.

I think he can play the 5. Look at his shoulders. His arms dangle behind the arms and chest. He is a chest first guy on defense. And he puts his knees into guys and roots them. Show me one big guy push him around in college. It's the opposite. He is knocking guys off spots. His chest to chest defense is very draymond. I don't think milsap could defend like CMB outside of stocks

He is a very physical defender. His short chop on the perimeter is not draymond - and lets guys get a step but he also shows he can do it when activated. It's something he has in him if he gets in a stance

I saw a zach randolph comp........how is this for a package. more athletic zach randolph with paskal siakam slitherly feel attacking and finishing with thaddeus young stocks, draymonds chest to chest physical defense, and has whip passing.

[JMAC3]

Givony moved him from 11 to 14, based on what he is hearing from teams on his big board.
KOC had him going 21st in his latest mock.

[HadAnEffectHere]

CMB being physically strong and wide is not very relevant, he can't protect the paint, he can't play center. There are some fun lineups he could play in next to a true center where he's defending the opponent center while his team's center is roaming against a non-threat... But he still needs to learn how to shoot because he's a PF at his core.

He needs to shoot like 36%+ from three on good volume.

[The-Power]

He needs to shoot like 36%+ from three on good volume.

He needs that to do what? Start on good teams? Be an All-Star star? Stay in the league? It would help to be more precise here.

[BigGargamel]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

While I think shooting always helps, the narrative that if you don't shoot 3's you're useless needs to go away. We just had someone win MVP making 1 three a game at 35%.

[JMAC3]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

While I think shooting always helps, the narrative that if you don't shoot 3's you're useless needs to go away. We just had someone win MVP making 1 three a game at 35%.

You can't be serious with this as a legit reason to start drafting non-shooters lol

[BigGargamel]

He is the same size as PJ Washington, Kobe Brown and James Johnson. All those guys are required to make three point shots to provide value in the NBA, something I don't CMB can do.

While I think shooting always helps, the narrative that if you don't shoot 3's you're useless needs to go away. We just had someone win MVP making 1 three a game at 35%.

You can't be serious with this as a legit reason to start drafting non-shooters lol

I came in to add an "edit", but you quoted me too fast.

I'm in no way calling him a future MVP, but he can be a valuable rotation player even if he can't really shoot. I don't expect guys taken after 12 or 13 to really be anything more than that. If you get a rotation guy, that's good enough. At that point, you're just focusing on what a guy can do well.

[JMAC3]

While I think shooting always helps, the narrative that if you don't shoot 3's you're useless needs to go away. We just had someone win MVP making 1 three a game at 35%.

You can't be serious with this as a legit reason to start drafting non-shooters lol

I came in to add an "edit", but you quoted me too fast.

I'm in no way calling him a future MVP, but he can be a valuable rotation player even if he can't really shoot. I don't expect guys taken after 12 or 13 to really be anything more than that. If you get a rotation guy, that's good enough. At that point, you're just focusing on what a guy can do well.

You either have to be super dynamic with the ball like a Ja Morant or Giannis type of player if you can't shoot or you have to play center. Shooting is indeed important in todays NBA and most teams want to play at most 1 guy that can't shoot. If you are wasting your one spot on CMB then it makes it really hard to build a good lineup around him, not saying it is impossible but guys that dictate roster construction need to be much better players than CMB in my opinion.

[BlazersBroncos]

My hot take is he drops to at least 25 or lower. I could see high R2.

I see it similar to the Nas Litte slide. He was projected late lotto and fell to 25.

[bbms]

CMB being physically strong and wide is not very relevant, he can't protect the paint, he can't play center. There are some fun lineups he could play in next to a true center where he's defending the opponent center while his team's center is roaming against a non-threat... But he still needs to learn how to shoot because he's a PF at his core.

He needs to shoot like 36%+ from three on good volume.

send him to okc and in 2 years he'll be the primary jokic point of attack defender with all that playmakers flying and swarming around that matchup