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Re: The VJ Edgecombe thread 

Post#81 » by Bassman » Thu May 29, 2025 2:00 pm

JMAC3 wrote:When you are picking top 5 you need big 2way wings or elite on the ball scorers or elite offensive bigs.


Don’t really disagree in your statement. So does this mean the Sixers will draft Ace Bailey? If so then we choose between two guards, cause they’re the best available talents at 4. Which would be your choice JMAC3 and why? Not being snarky just interested in who you think fits best if the player you described (assume Ace) is already taken.
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Post#82 » by JMAC3 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:15 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:When you are picking top 5 you need big 2way wings or elite on the ball scorers or elite offensive bigs.


Don’t really disagree in your statement. So does this mean the Sixers will draft Ace Bailey? If so then we choose between two guards, cause they’re the best available talents at 4. Which would be your choice JMAC3 and why? Not being snarky just interested in who you think fits best if the player you described (assume Ace) is already taken.


I think Ace and Tre have the most star power of the three, so yes if I were Philly I would go with one of those guys. I think since they already have Maxey/McCain/Grimes I would take Ace who is a great understudy for Paul George and gives them the most balance. Also, Ace could play the 4 for Philly and provide weakside rim protection - which they lacked last year with a smaller team around Embiid.

For Charlotte, yes I think Tre has the higher ceiling if Ace is drafted 3rd. Tre could become a Tyler Herro, Brad Beal, CJ McCollum type of 2 guard who has enough handle to slide into a larger on ball role or play off the ball and shoot it at high level. He is much bigger than those 3 players as well which is intriguing. Tre is an elite shooter too so I think he can be used like a Klay, Buddy, Duncan Robinson type of off-screen shooter as well if you wanted to tone down his offensive role on the ball and would provide gravity to the offense around LaMelo and Miller.

VJ offense is a mixed bag, meh shooter, meh finishing, meh passer, meh ball handler. I think he has the right mentality to improve at all those but until that happens I just don't see him being much of an impact on that end. I actually think Queen and Fears ceiling is higher than VJ, but I would probably value the floor of VJ at least being an athletic energy guy a bit more than Fears or Queen who might be more scoring pop off the bench if things don't work out for them.
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Re: The VJ Edgecombe thread 

Post#83 » by GoBobs » Thu May 29, 2025 2:19 pm

maybe I am just thinking of the Gerald Henderson experience, but it seems like the more consistent shooter would be more valuable than a crazy dunk every once in a while.
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Re: The VJ Edgecombe thread 

Post#84 » by Bassman » Thu May 29, 2025 2:53 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:When you are picking top 5 you need big 2way wings or elite on the ball scorers or elite offensive bigs.


Don’t really disagree in your statement. So does this mean the Sixers will draft Ace Bailey? If so then we choose between two guards, cause they’re the best available talents at 4. Which would be your choice JMAC3 and why? Not being snarky just interested in who you think fits best if the player you described (assume Ace) is already taken.


I think Ace and Tre have the most star power of the three, so yes if I were Philly I would go with one of those guys. I think since they already have Maxey/McCain/Grimes I would take Ace who is a great understudy for Paul George and gives them the most balance. Also, Ace could play the 4 for Philly and provide weakside rim protection - which they lacked last year with a smaller team around Embiid.

For Charlotte, yes I think Tre has the higher ceiling if Ace is drafted 3rd. Tre could become a Tyler Herro, Brad Beal, CJ McCollum type of 2 guard who has enough handle to slide into a larger on ball role or play off the ball and shoot it at high level. He is much bigger than those 3 players as well which is intriguing. Tre is an elite shooter too so I think he can be used like a Klay, Buddy, Duncan Robinson type of off-screen shooter as well if you wanted to tone down his offensive role on the ball and would provide gravity to the offense around LaMelo and Miller.

VJ offense is a mixed bag, meh shooter, meh finishing, meh passer, meh ball handler. I think he has the right mentality to improve at all those but until that happens I just don't see him being much of an impact on that end. I actually think Queen and Fears ceiling is higher than VJ, but I would probably value the floor of VJ at least being an athletic energy guy a bit more than Fears or Queen who might be more scoring pop off the bench if things don't work out for them.


Thanks. I’m still Ace, VJ, Tre in that order. Would love to be a fly on the wall when each of them do their workouts & interviews with the brass.
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Re: The VJ Edgecombe thread 

Post#86 » by Braggins » Thu May 29, 2025 7:14 pm

I think if the Hornets take him they should be expecting something roughly similar to Jalen Suggs. If he takes a big development leap on offense like Donovan Mitchell thats great.
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Post#87 » by KingCat » Thu May 29, 2025 11:00 pm

Yeah I'm not particular enticed by his defensive potential due to his size and small frame. Someone above mentioned he will likely only be able to guard 1 and 2.

A huge part of making elite perimeter defenders elite is their versatilty to be able to guard 1 to 3 or even 1 to 5. It's why despite being great defenders, guys like Davion Mitchell, Marcus Smart, Jrue Holiday are less valuable than Caruso, Mikael Bridges, and the Thompson twins.

I actually find his offensive potential of being a ultra athletic rime pressure slasher to be much more intriguing; but then again his rime numbers are prettt bad so that isn't really a sure thing.
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Re: The VJ Edgecombe thread 

Post#88 » by SWedd523 » Thu May 29, 2025 11:11 pm

I can't remember if I've made this connection before or not but his name is edge cum.

I love everything about that

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Post#89 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 29, 2025 11:44 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I can't remember if I've made this connection before or not but his name is edge cum.

I love everything about that

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Post#90 » by SWedd523 » Thu May 29, 2025 11:56 pm

imagine if his name was BJ
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Post#91 » by JustBuzzin » Fri May 30, 2025 12:01 am

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Post#92 » by Braggins » Fri May 30, 2025 12:41 am

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Post#93 » by GoBobs » Fri May 30, 2025 1:46 am

SWedd523 wrote:I can't remember if I've made this connection before or not but his name is edge cum.

I love everything about that

Ball, Tiddy, Edge cum, and the huge Yang


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Post#94 » by GoBobs » Fri May 30, 2025 1:47 am

I feel like he is Baron Davis. Maybe, I am optimistic.
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Post#95 » by MPM » Fri May 30, 2025 11:04 am

"Edgecombe had an excellent interview with the Hornets, league sources say. And while there are no locks he’ll be the pick, plenty of executives believe he’s the favorite if he makes it to the fourth pick." – via Yahoo! Sports

Whatever this means. League sources and plenty of executives.
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Post#96 » by JMAC3 » Fri May 30, 2025 12:16 pm

I won't be upset if we take VJ, I think he has a good mix of fit, ready to play now athletic upside.

However, if we select him at 4 and Tre Johnson, Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears all end up better players are we going to be happy we drafted him still because of his perceived fit? Or are we going to be upset that we passed over guys that ended up better?
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Post#97 » by MPM » Fri May 30, 2025 12:27 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I won't be upset if we take VJ, I think he has a good mix of fit, ready to play now athletic upside.

However, if we select him at 4 and Tre Johnson, Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears all end up better players are we going to be happy we drafted him still because of his perceived fit? Or are we going to be upset that we passed over guys that ended up better?


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Post#98 » by LofJ » Fri May 30, 2025 12:55 pm

VJ's field goal percentages aren't great. Johnson's steal, block, and rebound rate is a bit of a red flag. And Ace may have questionable maturity and basketball IQ. So all 3 of them have some risk involved.

I'd still lean towards taking VJ if Ace goes 3 and vice versa if they're swapped. I don't like Johnson's lack of non-shooting production.
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Post#99 » by wilson115 » Fri May 30, 2025 1:19 pm

so, where I am rt now, VJ v Tre v Ace:
so far the most concerning criticism I've seen against VJ: can't consistently finish inside if it's not a dunk (sort of like Ron Holland Jr. last yr) kinda similar to what we hear about...
Tre: can't get to the rim or finish inside
Ace: can't get to the rim or finish inside if it's not a dunk

everything else... only Tre's got a real edge in one category (shooting)... but, defense, playmaking, a solid case can be made VJ's lapping the field here... that is to say, objectively—and **** FIT—he's flat out, NO **** the best prospect out of all three.

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Post#100 » by Bassman » Fri May 30, 2025 1:42 pm

Draft Casual is a great resource, excellent analytics and analysis. His VJ comp is now an inefficient Zack Levine. Shooting and scoring ceiling is limited, but…

Edgecombe's defense, extremely underrated playmaking and off-ball 3PT will keep him on the floor - and is a huge floor raiser.

Questionable on-ball shot creation upside, has puts a question mark on his 'superstar' ceiling.

With such a high floor, his playmaking & athleticism gives me confidence that his scoring potential can be realized. Edgecombe earns the 4th spot on my draft board.

Side note: I've cooled off on the Donovan Mitchell comp, I just don't see that level of on-ball shot creation. Also think he's a better shooter than Oladipo.
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