NBA Trade Thread #12

[Dez]

There is zero point to getting Sabonis, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective which takes the ball out of the hands of Giddey.

The Kings aren't going to trade him away for expirings and it makes zero sense for the Bulls to be trading firsts for him.

Well, I said Coby would have to probably go in that trade, that's worth a couple of picks. Eliminates the $30-$40 mill we'd be looking to re-sign him as well. Not going to argue what the Kings will want for him. Our first round picks have really been killing it for us. We've gotten way better players than Sabonis. Oh, wait. You could probably get 3 non top 5 draft picks and not come up with a player as good as Sabonis. How about it makes sense to add talented players now, rather than longshot lottery shots years from now? You can disagree, but to say it makes no sense is confusing.

When you say there's zero point to adding a player that averaged 19pts, 14 rbs, 6 assts to a team that has ZERO Allstars is also just insulting. He got those numbers playing with De' Aaron Fox, he had the ball in his hands as much/more than Giddey. Unless you mean there's no point to winning more games. Which is supposed to be what the league is about. Are you seriously arguing we don't win more games swapping Vucevic/Coby/Ayo for Sabonis and starting Smith at center and Huerter at SG? Assuming we don't draft a great SG, making Coby even less needed. Or a defensive center.

Coby has f*** all value now given he needs a new contract that will see him be overpaid.

So your solution is to not use the draft because the picks haven't worked out recently? Great idea.

Nobody said anything about not winning games but adding a younger version of Vucevic is just repeating the same mistake and again capping out the future as a mediocre play-in team.

Building through the draft at least gives the chance to find a franchise player, it's better to go that route than go for the likes of an ill-fitting player like Sabonis who can't play the 4 because he'll get abused defensively and just saying get a rim protector will fix that is disingenuous.

[Infinity2152]

I'm not trying to fight with guys. Just sharing my perspective. The Bulls have like 6 young players who could breakout next year, outside of the very young Giddey and Matas. It's like we're writing off Smith, Phillips, Ayo, Terry, 2025 rookie, Williams. These guys are all young. Anyone could have a breakout year next season. Maybe two or three. We might already have our POA defender and a great center. Most of those guys aren't in the trade discussions. Adding good vets helps all the young guys too.

[Ccwatercraft]

I'm not trying to fight with guys. Just sharing my perspective. The Bulls have like 6 young players who could breakout next year, outside of the very young Giddey and Matas. It's like we're writing off Smith, Phillips, Ayo, Terry, 2025 rookie, Williams. These guys are all young. Anyone could have a breakout year next season. Maybe two or three. We might already have our POA defender and a great center. Most of those guys aren't in the trade discussions. Adding good vets helps all the young guys too.

Out of the list of potential breakouts.

Ayo and Smith would be my best bet. Followed by Phillips, Terry, Williams.

Lonzo, huerter then collins would be best potential redemption stories.

Oh... before I forget I'd like to withdraw my suggestion of Naz Reid as a target, he has looked awful, last year playoffs he was playing fantastic

[Dan Z]

NBA Free agent rankings on ESPN.

If you scroll down they mention the Bulls as someone who could pursue Kuminga.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45320766/nba-free-agent-rankings-futures-lebron-turner-more-stars

Possible fits: As with every restricted free agent, Brooklyn looms large. If the Nets believe in Kuminga, they have the ability to shape their roster around him. The Bulls could try to put together a sign-and-trade, perhaps sending Nikola Vucevic to the Warriors and placing Kuminga in a role similar to the one DeMar DeRozan once played in the Windy City.

[Dez]

Kuminga isn't fit to hold DeRozan's jock strap let alone fill his role.

[sco]

Kuminga isn't fit to hold DeRozan's jock strap let alone fill his role.

A better question might be whether anyone would want that role to be refilled.

[jnrjr79]

That's hilarious! I don't think Sabonis is as good a defender or nearly as good rim protector as JJJ. He's a superior offensive player and far superior rebounder. I think both should play PF, they're most effective there, and are about equal. Getting JJJ in free agency with a lot of teams having cap space is a long shot at best. They'd actually be great together, compensate for the other's weaknesses. Could be easily done even after adding Sabonis if Williams is used in S&T. But that's a super long shot. Who else you going after if you don't get him? Lot of cap space, free agent Coby, Giddey, Matas, Smith, Phillips, Ball your signed players.

Really don't think people understand the implications of standing pat. 100% guaranteed we sign Coby to a big contract and 100% the remaining money is spent on 2026 free agents in a much more competitive market. How many seasons have we entered the season with cap space? The money is getting spent anyway, and we're not getting our 1A in 2026 free agency.

Great info on Giddey, Chi. Don't think Coby is looking at the same market. Nobody has money to pay Giddey now except one team, will be way different next summer. second apron isn't stopping teams from signing Giddey, not lack of desire. They have no cap space. But good news about Giddey.

Sco, I hear you about Giddey and Matas getting shots. Coby's high usage, his only value is as a high usage scorer. Figure any trade for sabonis probably includes Coby. Giddey/White/Matas vs Giddey/Matas/Sabonis, imagine Matas get the same number of shots if not more. Sabonis is a better passer than White and looks to assist more.

I like Sabonis, but am concerned he wouldn't be the right fit for the remaining roster. The one thing I do agree with is it's pretty unlikely that the anticipated 2026 cap space is going to be useful in terms of just making an outright signing of a free agent player, so the better plan is probably either trading some expirings this offseason/at the deadline or using the 2026 cap space to absorb a contract via a trade where you won't have to match salaries. I'd imagine most of the players that could hit free agency that offseason that you'd actually want to spend big bucks on are going to re-sign with their existing teams (unless Luka is miserable in L.A.).

Do you mean taking on a bad (or medicore) contract to get an asset for doing so?

Good idea, but I'd be surprised if AK did that.

No, I don't mean that. I agree it would be a good idea, but I also agree AK won't do it. What I meant was that if the Bulls have cap space and trade for a "star," they would not have to match contract sizes, so they could trade away $20M of salary + draft capital for some guy making $50M or whatever. This might appeal to the team trading away the star so that they can free up their own cap.

[Indomitable]

Kuminga isn't fit to hold DeRozan's jock strap let alone fill his role.

A better question might be whether anyone would want that role to be refilled.

It is a dumb statement. I want teams that move and share the ball.

[boozapalooza]

There is zero point to getting Sabonis, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective which takes the ball out of the hands of Giddey.

The Kings aren't going to trade him away for expirings and it makes zero sense for the Bulls to be trading firsts for him.

Well, I said Coby would have to probably go in that trade, that's worth a couple of picks. Eliminates the $30-$40 mill we'd be looking to re-sign him as well. Not going to argue what the Kings will want for him. Our first round picks have really been killing it for us. We've gotten way better players than Sabonis. Oh, wait. You could probably get 3 non top 5 draft picks and not come up with a player as good as Sabonis. How about it makes sense to add talented players now, rather than longshot lottery shots years from now? You can disagree, but to say it makes no sense is confusing.

When you say there's zero point to adding a player that averaged 19pts, 14 rbs, 6 assts to a team that has ZERO Allstars is also just insulting. He got those numbers playing with De' Aaron Fox, he had the ball in his hands as much/more than Giddey. Unless you mean there's no point to winning more games. Which is supposed to be what the league is about. Are you seriously arguing we don't win more games swapping Vucevic/Coby/Ayo for Sabonis and starting Smith at center and Huerter at SG? Assuming we don't draft a great SG, making Coby even less needed. Or a defensive center.

Coby has f*** all value now given he needs a new contract that will see him be overpaid.

So your solution is to not use the draft because the picks haven't worked out recently? Great idea.

Nobody said anything about not winning games but adding a younger version of Vucevic is just repeating the same mistake and again capping out the future as a mediocre play-in team.

Building through the draft at least gives the chance to find a franchise player, it's better to go that route than go for the likes of an ill-fitting player like Sabonis who can't play the 4 because he'll get abused defensively and just saying get a rim protector will fix that is disingenuous.

I think its a stretch to knock Coby’s value like that. He averaged 27ppg on great efficiency over the last 20 games of the season. As a player, this is the best version of him we’ve ever seen and hes only 25.

A win now team can push their chips in this year and get him for $12 mil this season? Thats valuable. Think Orlando, Dallas, Minnesota, as reasonable trade partners. I’d ship him to Memphis in a deal for Ja if theyre looking to move on from him.

[sco]

Per wiretap, Cavs will entertain offers for Garland and Allen...Wonder what it would take to get Allen? I'd happily give up #12 and Por pick and Smith or Collins.

[Infinity2152]

Man, I keep trying to be peaceful in here, and people just keep coming with swearing and sarcasm. So here we go. You idiots who keep hoping for a savior from the draft. That's NOT a strategy. That's hoping and praying for luck. You don't even need a GM for that. the odds of drafting a franschise player are so low, it's not predictable. Last true franchise player we drafted was Derrick Rose in 2008. 17 years ago. Maybe Butler, drafted with the 30th pick in 2011. Meanwhile 300 franchise and star players have been traded or moved since then, from Lebron multiple times, KD, SGA, Butler, Harden, Lillard, Lavine, Vucevic, Beal, Fox, PG13 multiple times, damn near everybody. And none of those franchise players have won without a player of Sabonis caliber at least by their side, if not two of them.

These stupid ass valuation of our players conflict with EVERY analysis outside this room. NOBODY has Vucevic rated as the lowest starting center, let alone unstartable. NOBODY thinks Coby takes the extension, because EVERYBODY thinks he'll get offered more. Two months ago, people were going crazy at the thought of Giddey getting $20 mill. Your opinions are just that, opinions. Fine for you to have them, but too many a-holes in here present their opinions as facts. No f****ing reason to say "it doesn't make sense" or "there's zero chance" when you're stating an opinion.

Use the draft to find a star. Bulls aren't likely to even have a lottery pick past this year if Giddey and Matas are good, with all the cap space and young players we have. Absolutely ridiculous EVERYBODY was complaining about being a play-in team, and yet "fans" want to make no moves while we're a play in team. We have a few months before those expiring contracts have no value, let's just keep them until they're worthless rather than signing a trade asset that will be of use to us past next summer. So we can spend the cap space next summer on worse players that "fit" our team, even though we'll maybe have 6 players to even worry about fit past next season,, and only two are starters. And hope for a star with our mid-late draft picks.

Scared to take chances even though we have nothing to lose. Sabonis's contract isn't going to suddenly become untradeable. We won't have free agents burning up our lines to play with Giddey and Matas next year. We could draft that 1A with pick 12, or we may not draft a franchise level player for 6-10 years. Not waiting on that.

[WesPeace]

Per wiretap, Cavs will entertain offers for Garland and Allen...Wonder what it would take to get Allen? I'd happily give up #12 and Por pick and Smith or Collins.

Yeah that would be solid deal, Smith and #12, but I think Cavs would want more..

[sco]

Man, I keep trying to be peaceful in here, and people just keep coming with swearing and sarcasm. So here we go. You idiots who keep hoping for a savior from the draft. That's NOT a strategy. That's hoping and praying for luck. You don't even need a GM for that. the odds of drafting a franschise player are so low, it's not predictable. Last true franchise player we drafted was Derrick Rose in 2008. 17 years ago. Maybe Butler, drafted with the 30th pick in 2011. Meanwhile 300 franchise and star players have been traded or moved since then, from Lebron multiple times, KD, SGA, Butler, Harden, Lillard, Lavine, Vucevic, Beal, Fox, PG13 multiple times, damn near everybody. And none of those franchise players have won without a player of Sabonis caliber at least by their side, if not two of them.

These stupid ass valuation of our players conflict with EVERY analysis outside this room. NOBODY has Vucevic rated as the lowest starting center, let alone unstartable. NOBODY thinks Coby takes the extension, because EVERYBODY thinks he'll get offered more. Two months ago, people were going crazy at the thought of Giddey getting $20 mill. Your opinions are just that, opinions. Fine for you to have them, but too many a-holes in here present their opinions as facts. No f****ing reason to say "it doesn't make sense" or "there's zero chance" when you're stating an opinion.

Use the draft to find a star. Bulls aren't likely to even have a lottery pick past this year if Giddey and Matas are good, with all the cap space and young players we have. Absolutely ridiculous EVERYBODY was complaining about being a play-in team, and yet "fans" want to make no moves while we're a play in team. We have a few months before those expiring contracts have no value, let's just keep them until they're worthless rather than signing a trade asset that will be of use to us past next summer. So we can spend the cap space next summer on worse players that "fit" our team, even though we'll maybe have 6 players to even worry about fit past next season,, and only two are starters. And hope for a star with our mid-late draft picks.

Infinity. I love that you have your own POV, and you defend your positions with enthusiasm. People who disagree also do so with fanaticism (the source of the word FAN). You gotta understand that everyone here is passionate about their views, and you'll have a lot more fun here if you just say "That person is a crazy fan like me...I'm right, and I can convey my feelings without making it personal, but I get that they feel strongly and don't hate me."

We need people like you here. Keep your passion!

Oh, and you are totally wrong in your approach!!!

[Infinity2152]

Per wiretap, Cavs will entertain offers for Garland and Allen...Wonder what it would take to get Allen? I'd happily give up #12 and Por pick and Smith or Collins.

Any info on why Allen is on the block? Is it money? That could affect what they're looking to get back.

[sco]

Per wiretap, Cavs will entertain offers for Garland and Allen...Wonder what it would take to get Allen? I'd happily give up #12 and Por pick and Smith or Collins.

Any info on why Allen is on the block? Is it money? That could affect what they're looking to get back.

See the Wiretap article...but yeah, $$$.

[leo921]

some trade options

J Allen/Okoro for Vuc/Williams/Port first

Can mix it up and include 12 if need be. like a Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Allen

Zion for Williams/Vuc/12th pick

[sco]

some trade options

J Allen/Okoro for Vuc/Williams/Port first...

Can mix it up and include 12 if need be. like a Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Allen

Zion for Williams/Vuc/12th pick

For Allen/Okoro, they want to save $. Including PWill doen't help...also I think they'll want more in terms of draft comp...per others comments, adding 12 may not even be enough. You willing to go 12 + our '26 pick (assuming we do on draft nite) instead of 12 and Por 1?

I think your deal for Zion is fair, but I think some other team will offer more.

[leo921]

some trade options

J Allen/Okoro for Vuc/Williams/Port first...

Can mix it up and include 12 if need be. like a Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Allen

Zion for Williams/Vuc/12th pick

For Allen/Okoro, they want to save $. Including PWill doen't help...also I think they'll want more in terms of draft comp...per others comments, adding 12 may not even be enough. You willing to go 12 + our '26 pick (assuming we do on draft nite) instead of 12 and Por 1?

I think your deal for Zion is fair, but I think some other team will offer more.

For Cavs Vuc is a 20m expiring where both Allen/Okoro are long term contracts. They can use Vuc and let him expire or use him as a trade chip.
Cavs have also needed wing help, Now they can run stuff like garland/mitchell/williams/hunter/mobley so a little longer, can shoot and defend.

I would add the 12th pick and if needed Port first but no way any of our picks protected or not.

[pipfan]

Allen/Okoro for Vuc/#12/Ayo/Port pick?

We improve our D a ton. Ball/White/Giddey/Matas/Allen is a pretty good lineup-good mix of offense and defense
Bench of Okoro, Jones (resign?), PWill, Collins, JSmith, Phillips, Terry-that's a lot of bench players

Vuc can back up Mobley and play with him.

[sco]

Man, getting the Fro would be such a huge upgrade for this team. Allen isn't a monster scorer, but he is such a huge impact player. Going from Vuc to him IMO could be a 10 win change. The idea of a Coby, Ball, Giddey, Matas, Allen as our starting line-up would be so exciting!