Are AJ Green or Gary Trent Jr realistic trade targets ?

[defense_enjoyer]

There's been lots of talk about starting wings and guards being trade targets for the warriors, including mediocre options, but nobody is talking about these players, which, given the likelihood of the bucks rebuilding, should be explored more. Is there anything the warriors can do to acquire one or both of the 2 3 point shooting players on the bucks, Gary Trent Jr and AJ Green? GTJs contract's expiring this off-season and AJ Green has one more year of his contract, which is quite low too. Either one of those players add very consistent 3 point shooting(and AJ Green has a much quicker release than moody) and would actually space the floor rather than scoring off of Steph's gravity, unlike moody, who would be the players to trade.

Also both players actually kept shooting well during the playoffs despite getting pretty poor looks. They would feast on the additional spacing Curry, Buddy and Post would provide.


AJ Green also has good off ball movement and defense, and thus would fit well in Kerr's system. His only issue is non-existent finishing, but the current dubs guards also have very poor finishing skill, so the warriors wouldn't be losing much.

GTJ is a worse defender and ball handler than podz but has proven himself to be a great starting guard. He is a much more consistent bucket better and more athletic than podz o(Podz can't shoot pullup 3s or off the dribble, and has a slow release) , and actually has starter level scoring. GTJ would be ideal to pair up with Buddy, so he can get more open looks. One of the biggest problems the warriors have is Podz having to start. Getting GTJ would make Podz a 6th man which would improve our depth. Also a starting lineup of Steph, GTJ, Buddy, Jimmy, and Post would add far better floor spacing than now. Not to mention GTJ would add much needed d shooting to the 2nd unit.

Compared to other high volume 3&D wings, 3 pt shooting guards such as cam Johnson or Coby White, these 2 players seem to be quite underrated, and if the aforementioned players require way too many picks, would they be really easier to get than GTJ or AJ Green?

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

[watch1958]

Maybe AC Green?

[whatisacenter]

Maybe AC Green?

[Onus]

GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

[vvoland]

GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Be better.

No one is asking you to respond. If you don't want to engage with a fan on a forum, just scroll past. Don't tell a dude to stop when there 100+ pages of posts of you mentally masturbating about some draft crush that is destined to play in vilnius.

[vvoland]

There's been lots of talk about starting wings and guards being trade targets for the warriors, including mediocre options, but nobody is talking about these players, which, given the likelihood of the bucks rebuilding, should be explored more. Is there anything the warriors can do to acquire one or both of the 2 3 point shooting players on the bucks, Gary Trent Jr and AJ Green? GTJs contract's expiring this off-season and AJ Green has one more year of his contract, which is quite low too. Either one of those players add very consistent 3 point shooting(and AJ Green has a much quicker release than moody) and would actually space the floor rather than scoring off of Steph's gravity, unlike moody, who would be the players to trade.

Also both players actually kept shooting well during the playoffs despite getting pretty poor looks. They would feast on the additional spacing Curry, Buddy and Post would provide.


AJ Green also has good off ball movement and defense, and thus would fit well in Kerr's system. His only issue is non-existent finishing, but the current dubs guards also have very poor finishing skill, so the warriors wouldn't be losing much.

GTJ is a worse defender and ball handler than podz but has proven himself to be a great starting guard. He is a much more consistent bucket better and more athletic than podz o(Podz can't shoot pullup 3s or off the dribble, and has a slow release) , and actually has starter level scoring. GTJ would be ideal to pair up with Buddy, so he can get more open looks. One of the biggest problems the warriors have is Podz having to start. Getting GTJ would make Podz a 6th man which would improve our depth. Also a starting lineup of Steph, GTJ, Buddy, Jimmy, and Post would add far better floor spacing than now. Not to mention GTJ would add much needed d shooting to the 2nd unit.

Compared to other high volume 3&D wings, 3 pt shooting guards such as cam Johnson or Coby White, these 2 players seem to be quite underrated, and if the aforementioned players require way too many picks, would they be really easier to get than GTJ or AJ Green?

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

I liked gary trent and thought it was a great vet min. deal for the bucks. He had a great year but I think most people will only remember the TOs he had in the playoffs that cost the bucks the game. I doubt he comes for another vet min but the Tax Payer Mid Level (~$6M?) might be possible.

AJ Green shoots too well and makes too little to trade for. As Onus said, unless we overpay, they're not trading him, at which point... why?

[defense_enjoyer]

I liked gary trent and thought it was a great vet min. deal for the bucks. He had a great year but I think most people will only remember the TOs he had in the playoffs that cost the bucks the game. I doubt he comes for another vet min but the Tax Payer Mid Level (~$6M?) might be possible.

Maybe his turnovers in the bucks game 5 choke might lower his value, and allow us to buy low. Is that possible? At least compared to podz or ty jerome, he has proven to at least have semiconsistent shooting in the playoffs. Meanwhile, someone like coby white or cam johnson either have never shot in the playoffs, or haven't been there in a while. In the dubs system, we could delegate his subpar ball handling to podz or butler, so he isn't much of a TO liability. If the dubs can get him for below 10M that would be excellent. In any case, it seems like a lot of the other 3&D role player options in this offseason have just as many stinkers or red flags, and GTJ doesn't have ones that are glaringly worse, for example shooting sub 30% FG in the playoffs(ahem, jerome). Also, afaik GTJ has had few injuries, and he's still young, and can be part of the warriors core for the next 5-6 years.

AJ Green shoots too well and makes too little to trade for. As Onus said, unless we overpay, they're not trading him, at which point... why?

In terms of "overpay", just so I understand correctly, you mean the bucks GM would demand one or more FRPs for AJ Green? Would 1-2 SRPs for AJ Green be an overpay in your opinion?

IMO, any role player who has all of these:
-shot well from 3(especially high volume) in the playoffs
-has a team friendly contract
-has decent defense

will demand an "overpay" in terms of picks, but if it allows for the roster not to be gutted and adds depth, is it really an overpay? In the modern NBA, roster depth and consistent role players(TJ McConnell, JWill, Sam Hauser, Cason Wallace, Nembhard, Obi Toppin, Thomas Bryant, etc) on team friendly contracts are far more valuable and conducive to winning, compared to wannabe all stars with role player production who want 20-40M(Anfernee, Claxton, KCP, MPJ, Rozier, Hachimura, Tobias Harris).

Also, hasn't AJ Green's value been kinda suppressed in the last year due to doc rivers not trusting him to be a big minutes player and prioritizing Taurean Prince over him? He doesn't seem to float around in trade rumors of other teams looking for a role player who doesnt brick 3s. Is it pssoible that AJ Green would be happy to join the warriors due to seeing more opportunity in playing for a coach who gives bench players a lot more starting opportunities and minutes than doc rivers?

It all depends on what the warriors FO wants. If they've given up on getting a 5th ring, any trade involving GTJ or AJ green would be an overpay IF it required picks. However so would trading for any other floor stretcher on the market(including many much more iffy ones. However, if the warriors FO wants to revise the roster to stretch the floor better in order to unlock jimmy and take pressure off an aging steph, and actually have a chance of having a championship run, then AJ Green and GTJ should definitely be high priorities, purely due to proving themselves more in the playoffs than other players, being less injury prone AND being cheap.

[defense_enjoyer]

GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

[Onus]

GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

None of these type of players are worth a 1st. Gtj might be available for the vet min again or maybe part of the ntmle. But really is he better than buddy? Buddy is a better version of both of these players and no one wants buddy for a 1st. Buddy literally helped win us game 7 against the rockets. Buddy is perfectly fine as a rotation piece. If you want another buddy type player then you’re talking about moving moody. Which is fine but really to waste another 1st to replace moody for a marginal if not lateral move seems foolish.

[defense_enjoyer]

GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

None of these type of players are worth a 1st.

I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Gtj might be available for the vet min again or maybe part of the ntmle.

Then he should definitely be pursued more than what players some people(not on here, but on youtube or reddit) have been suggesting, such as hauser, kcp(LMAO), porzingis, lopez, wendell carter, Tyus Jones(LMAO), grayson allen, etc

But really is he better than buddy? Buddy is a better version of both of these players and no one wants buddy for a 1st.

GTJ has had at least 6 times less games in the playoffs and regular season where he has shot less than 20% from 3 at over 4 attempts compared to buddy. GTJ this season also:
-Has 43% FG % compared to Buddy's 42%
-41% 3P% vs Buddy's 37% 3P%
-84% vs 82% FT
-0.6 vs 1.1 TOs per game

While averaging one less 3PA. He's better at his core stats, not significantly, but still. Also the bucks have had much worse 3 point looks than warriors role players get, so that should be an indicator that his shooting splits haven't been a fluke these playoffs.

In any case, what team currently has SGs that have equivalent skills as buddy hield whose teams don't demand an overpay?

Buddy literally helped win us game 7 against the rockets. Buddy is perfectly fine as a rotation piece.

I never suggested trading buddy for him. Buddy is a vital floor stretcher for the dubs, but he's not enough. I wish GTJ and AJ Green are added into the rotation to create more 3 point threats and floor stretching, so the warriors don't become neutralized vs zone defense(the warriors and magic are currently the WORST teams in the league at scoring vs zone defense). The point of acquiring GTJ and AJ Green would be to replace non shooting threats like gui, pat spencer and GP2 from the rotation and send podz to the bench where he belongs.

If you want another buddy type player then you’re talking about moving moody. Which is fine.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

[marthafokker]

How about trying to get Amir Coffey? Don't know if the Clips want him back though.

[vvoland]

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

None of these type of players are worth a 1st.

I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Gtj might be available for the vet min again or maybe part of the ntmle.

Then he should definitely be pursued more than what players some people(not on here, but on youtube or reddit) have been suggesting, such as hauser, kcp(LMAO), porzingis, lopez, wendell carter, Tyus Jones(LMAO), grayson allen, etc

But really is he better than buddy? Buddy is a better version of both of these players and no one wants buddy for a 1st.

GTJ has had at least 6 times less games in the playoffs and regular season where he has shot less than 20% from 3 at over 4 attempts compared to buddy. GTJ this season also:
-Has 43% FG % compared to Buddy's 42%
-41% 3P% vs Buddy's 37% 3P%
-84% vs 82% FT
-0.6 vs 1.1 TOs per game

While averaging one less 3PA. He's better at his core stats, not significantly, but still. Also the bucks have had much worse 3 point looks than warriors role players get, so that should be an indicator that his shooting splits haven't been a fluke these playoffs.

In any case, what team currently has SGs that have equivalent skills as buddy hield whose teams don't demand an overpay?

Buddy literally helped win us game 7 against the rockets. Buddy is perfectly fine as a rotation piece.

I never suggested trading buddy for him. Buddy is a vital floor stretcher for the dubs, but he's not enough. I wish GTJ and AJ Green are added into the rotation to create more 3 point threats and floor stretching, so the warriors don't become neutralized vs zone defense(the warriors and magic are currently the WORST teams in the league at scoring vs zone defense). The point of acquiring GTJ and AJ Green would be to replace non shooting threats like gui, pat spencer and GP2 from the rotation and send podz to the bench where he belongs.

If you want another buddy type player then you’re talking about moving moody. Which is fine.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

If we can get trent on the vet min or green as part of some random trade, sure, let's use moody's contract to upgrade at another spot. I'm fine with giving his spot in the rotation to gary trent or green while using the contract to pursue a big, ideally a stretch 5.

[Onus]

I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Your OP said

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

Yes trading a 1st for AJ Green would be just as bad as trading it for Rozier.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

Moody is our best perimeter defender as sad as that is. I do think GTJ could replace him if we wanted to offer part of the ntmle for him.

[CS707]

The front office has been pretty tight with the draft picks and I get the impression that Joey Lightyears always has one eye on the future so I don’t expect we’ll give up draft picks frivolously.

[defense_enjoyer]

I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Your OP said

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

Yes trading a 1st for AJ Green would be just as bad as trading it for Rozier.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

Moody is our best perimeter defender as sad as that is. I do think GTJ could replace him if we wanted to offer part of the ntmle for him.

I asked what the bucks gm would ask and if they would (have the audacity) to ask for multiple FRPs. I should've explicitly mentioned that neither of them were worth multiple FRPs.
Unfortunately moody is not a starting level defender as well, and has probably hit his cieling despite being 22.

Let's hope mdj cooks regarding GTJ.