Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[iBall101]

Still gotta get a reliable backup C so our team doesn't cave in the non Yak minutes or when he misses games.

Masai needs to draft the best available 5. Give Jak some rest and prevention of injuries for this upcoming season. We don't need any more guards or forwards.

[HumbleRen]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

[GLF]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

Wasn’t he out for the rest of the season after Dort stepped on his ankle? What do you mean the rim attempts nose dived if he didn’t even play again?

[HumbleRen]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

Wasn’t he out for the rest of the season after Dort stepped on his ankle? What do you mean the rim attempts nose dived if he didn’t even play again?

Dort is a repeated ankle/foot stepper offender.

It’s been nosing diving since 22 in terms of his nose attempts. Ankle injuries have sapped him of his athleticism.

[GLF]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

Wasn’t he out for the rest of the season after Dort stepped on his ankle? What do you mean the rim attempts nose dived if he didn’t even play again?

Dort is a repeated ankle/foot stepper offender.

It’s been nosing diving since 22 in terms of his nose attempts. Ankle injuries have sapped him of his athleticism.

Oh I didn’t realize Dort stepped on him previously. Okay I see what you’re saying now

[Duffman100]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

Obviously a big concern. Hopefully we can load manage him and use our growing depth to offset.

[Psubs]

Still gotta get a reliable backup C so our team doesn't cave in the non Yak minutes or when he misses games.

Masai needs to draft the best available 5. Give Jak some rest and prevention of injuries for this upcoming season. We don't need any more guards or forwards.

Sign Luke Kornet. I'm going to manifest this into reality like Ulrich Chomche.

[tsherkin]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

I think we should expect what he's been doing for a decade... league-average efficiency on low-20s volume, with good passing and good 3pt shooting. And if we can run a bit and get him free in transition for some easy buckets, so much the better. Maybe increase his 3pt volume, especially moving him off-ball to the corners when possible. He's going to be useful for us, but I'm very leery of trying to get him to drive much more with his fragility.

[YogurtProducer]

I think his ankles are truly cooked.

The rim attempts after Dort stepping on his ankles nose dived. I really hope Darko is able to give him some downhill plays.

I think we should expect what he's been doing for a decade... league-average efficiency on low-20s volume, with good passing and good 3pt shooting. And if we can run a bit and get him free in transition for some easy buckets, so much the better. Maybe increase his 3pt volume, especially moving him off-ball to the corners when possible. He's going to be useful for us, but I'm very leery of trying to get him to drive much more with his fragility.

I think Ingram definitely has some potential to really up his 3 point volume. He has shot it at 37% in NOP for his career on only 4.9 per game. I wonder if we can get that number up to 7-8 3's a night.

IQ throwing up 7-8 a night at 38%, RJ 5 or so a night at 35%, and Ingram 6-8 a night at 37% starts to fix some of our shooting inefficiencies. That is 20 or 3's a night at a 36-37% clip. Hope Agbaji keeps up his shooting, grab one more shooter in FA and the offence starts to flow way nicer.

Barnes figuring that out also would be massive.

[Duffman100]

Barnes figuring that out also would be massive.

Our team's ceiling is really dictated if Barnes can figure out 3P% / being efficient.

[tsherkin]

I think Ingram definitely has some potential to really up his 3 point volume. He has shot it at 37% in NOP for his career on only 4.9 per game. I wonder if we can get that number up to 7-8 3's a night.

Normally, I'm not a big advocate of that level of shooting volume for guys who are just in the high 30s, but with him, it makes some sense to me. It'll be easier on his body, after all, and we can worry about consistency issues later on as the team gets better, heh.

IQ throwing up 7-8 a night at 38%, RJ 5 or so a night at 35%, and Ingram 6-8 a night at 37% starts to fix some of our shooting inefficiencies. That is 20 or 3's a night at a 36-37% clip.

Big variance vulnerability, but we need the push offensively, so we may as well, right?

Barnes figuring that out also would be massive.

Doubtful. Highly doubtful. But if we move him to the corners, even his below-average self is a 36% shooter there, so we could get him taking 4 shots from the corners at 36%, and that would help our total 3pt volume while clicking at decent efficiency if he maintains.

[YogurtProducer]

I think Ingram definitely has some potential to really up his 3 point volume. He has shot it at 37% in NOP for his career on only 4.9 per game. I wonder if we can get that number up to 7-8 3's a night.

Normally, I'm not a big advocate of that level of shooting volume for guys who are just in the high 30s, but with him, it makes some sense to me. It'll be easier on his body, after all, and we can worry about consistency issues later on as the team gets better, heh.

IQ throwing up 7-8 a night at 38%, RJ 5 or so a night at 35%, and Ingram 6-8 a night at 37% starts to fix some of our shooting inefficiencies. That is 20 or 3's a night at a 36-37% clip.

Big variance vulnerability, but we need the push offensively, so we may as well, right?

Barnes figuring that out also would be massive.

Doubtful. Highly doubtful. But if we move him to the corners, even his below-average self is a 36% shooter there, so we could get him taking 4 shots from the corners at 36%, and that would help our total 3pt volume while clicking at decent efficiency if he maintains.

My only hope from Barnes is that he did shoot 34% in 2023-24 before falling off a cliff last year. But last year his shot selection was so ass that it is hard to know if the drop was because of that or what.

The one promising thing is Scotties mid range figures. Career 39% from 10-16ft and 38% from 16ft-3pt line. Then he is 30% from 3. If he could even get to like 34-35% on lower volume that would be a start.

But Barnes figuring it out is the least likely thing IMO anyways. He just doesn't even look natural shooting the ball. He probably will be a guy who will have anywhere between 27-35% 3 point years as his shot seems to be very very streaky.

[YogurtProducer]

Barnes figuring that out also would be massive.

Our team's ceiling is really dictated if Barnes can figure out 3P% / being efficient.

That and #9 this year. If #9 is a hit that changes things.

[tsherkin]

My only hope from Barnes is that he did shoot 34% in 2023-24 before falling off a cliff last year.

I have zero faith that it reflected anything other than a hot streak. It was so distant from his normal shooting ATB in the other three seasons that it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

The one promising thing is Scotties mid range figures. Career 39% from 10-16ft and 38% from 16ft-3pt line.

Those aren't promising numbers at all. his shooting percentage from 10-16 was encouraging last year, but the 2 FGA/g he was taking aren't functional as the foundation of an offense, and aren't any better than just entering the ball to him on the block for hook shots. It was a little encouraging to see him capably driving from the point to the left block for the pull-up/fade, but like, meh. I'd rather take that away entirely, stop him shooting ATB at all, focus him on the corners, in transition and off-ball. Maybe some post-ups. PnR as the roll man if he can learn how to screen. We need him to stop dribbling so much.

Then he is 30% from 3. If he could even get to like 34-35% on lower volume that would be a start.

The minute we ban him from shooting ATB 3s, he can get there. He's shot about 36% from the corners his whole career, which is below average but still better than his horrendous ATB shooting.

But Barnes figuring it out is the least likely thing IMO anyways. He just doesn't even look natural shooting the ball. He probably will be a guy who will have anywhere between 27-35% 3 point years as his shot seems to be very very streaky.

Yep. We need to shackle his shooting volume immediately now that we have the luxury of doing so and are trying to win.

[Psubs]

My only hope from Barnes is that he did shoot 34% in 2023-24 before falling off a cliff last year.

I have zero faith that it reflected anything other than a hot streak. It was so distant from his normal shooting ATB in the other three seasons that it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

The one promising thing is Scotties mid range figures. Career 39% from 10-16ft and 38% from 16ft-3pt line.

Those aren't promising numbers at all. his shooting percentage from 10-16 was encouraging last year, but the 2 FGA/g he was taking aren't functional as the foundation of an offense, and aren't any better than just entering the ball to him on the block for hook shots. It was a little encouraging to see him capably driving from the point to the left block for the pull-up/fade, but like, meh. I'd rather take that away entirely, stop him shooting ATB at all, focus him on the corners, in transition and off-ball. Maybe some post-ups. PnR as the roll man if he can learn how to screen. We need him to stop dribbling so much.

Then he is 30% from 3. If he could even get to like 34-35% on lower volume that would be a start.

The minute we ban him from shooting ATB 3s, he can get there. He's shot about 36% from the corners his whole career, which is below average but still better than his horrendous ATB shooting.

But Barnes figuring it out is the least likely thing IMO anyways. He just doesn't even look natural shooting the ball. He probably will be a guy who will have anywhere between 27-35% 3 point years as his shot seems to be very very streaky.

Yep. We need to shackle his shooting volume immediately now that we have the luxury of doing so and are trying to win.

Ya, last year was chuck away! This year, there are 10 better shooters so if WIDE open take it, if not drive to the hoop.

I guess the hope is that in a few years of constant practice it clicks for him like it did with Siakam, who now shoots over 37% from 3!!! If he did that while here, I would've been cool to give him over $40 million.

[tsherkin]

I guess the hope is that in a few years of constant practice it clicks for him like it did with Siakam, who now shoots over 37% from 3!!! If he did that while here, I would've been cool to give him over $40 million.

It's possible. Siakam is a LOT better from the corners, though, and has been since his third season. He also showcased a pretty significant improvement in FT% over his first couple of seasons. And it's worth remembering that he shot 36.9 and 35.9% from 3 in his 3rd and 4th seasons. And was a better mid-range shooter from year 2, and better from 16-23 feet from year 1. Like, he had skill, he just needed to refine it a little. And of course, to work off of others. He was HEAVILY using the corners, and still nearly 30% of his shots are from there with Indy.

Barnes hasn't really shown that to us. Each year, a little piece, but not together. Not really on the same kind of developmental arc. We have other uses for him, though, so it's okay. His defense alone guarantees his utility to the team.

[OakleyDokely]

Ingram is a fun player to watch. He's a difficult shot maker and he has the ability to create something out of nothing, which is something we've lacked for a bit.

I just want to watch entertaining, competitive basketball again.

[tsherkin]

Ingram is a fun player to watch. He's a difficult shot maker and he has the ability to create something out of nothing, which is something we've lacked for a bit.

I just want to watch entertaining, competitive basketball again.

100%.

I'm excited for us to be above .500 and to maybe make the playoffs without participating in the play-in. I'm looking forward to being excited to watch games again, instead of needing to summon something to track so I can get through watching the wreck that was our team.

[YogurtProducer]

The one promising thing is Scotties mid range figures. Career 39% from 10-16ft and 38% from 16ft-3pt line.

Those aren't promising numbers at all. his shooting percentage from 10-16 was encouraging last year, but the 2 FGA/g he was taking aren't functional as the foundation of an offense, and aren't any better than just entering the ball to him on the block for hook shots. It was a little encouraging to see him capably driving from the point to the left block for the pull-up/fade, but like, meh. I'd rather take that away entirely, stop him shooting ATB at all, focus him on the corners, in transition and off-ball. Maybe some post-ups. PnR as the roll man if he can learn how to screen. We need him to stop dribbling so much.

How aren't they? He can hit 38-39% from 10-22feet (and 36% from the corners) but the extra step back to 3 is a 6-9% drop?

A guy like Tatum is a 38% mid range guy, and 37% from 3.
Siakam shoots 40% on long 2's and 38% from 3. Siakam is only 2% beetter on long 2's but 8-10% better on 3's.

I definitely think Scotties 3pt % is partially down due to shot selection. I think just improving that he is probably more of a 32-33% guy. Slight improvement and hopefully we can get to a 35% type thing.

On the flip side, Giannis a career 37% from those spots as well and is 28% from 3. (but his first 4 years he was career 33ish% from mid range so a lot worse)

Also, because I love to bring this up, career "mid range maestro" Derozan only shot 42% from 10-16ft as a Raptor and 38% from the long 2. Crazy that Scottie is almost at that level just on a pure % base

[tsherkin]

How aren't they? He can hit 38-39% from 10-22feet (and 36% from the corners) but the extra step back to 3 is a 6-9% drop?

Wouldn't be the first time someone could hit a middie but struggled from further out.

A guy like Tatum is a 38% mid range guy, and 37% from 3.

Tatum's also an 84% FT shooter on his career and a 40.7% shooter from the corners. He's been demonstrably superior as a shooter his entire career.

I definitely think Scotties 3pt % is partially down due to shot selection. I think just improving that he is probably more of a 32-33% guy. Slight improvement and hopefully we can get to a 35% type thing.

Yeah. Beat him with a stick every time he shoots above the break, only permit him to shoot from the corners, and he'll shoot 36%. Leave the ATB 3s to everyone else who has more offensive skill.

Also, because I love to bring this up, career "mid range maestro" Derozan only shot 42% from 10-16ft as a Raptor and 38% from the long 2. Crazy that Scottie is almost at that level just on a pure % base

Right, but setting aside his ability to draw fouls compared to Scottie, DeMar has shot 47.7% from 10-16 feet from his last season as a Raptor onward, and 43.6% from 16-23 feet, and that represents over 50% of his shooting volume. That volume component is a big deal, but also the years and years and years of him doing it at a dramatically higher level also matter. Using his career numbers doesn't make sense, because he demonstrably developed over time to a degree which is atypical.