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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#961 » by Adelheid » Thu May 29, 2025 4:23 am

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Brunson is a shorter guard who mastered the ISO game to become what he is, because he has no inherent physical advantages to rely on other than being strong for his size.

He is the smallest player in the NBA successful at playing bully ball, but that tends to put blinders on a player whose # 1 obsession is breaking down a defense one on one.

Ideally, that ability to break down a defense should lead to drawing doubles and creating open teammates he can find off his penetration. We saw this adjustment in the DET series after a couple of games when he probed the paint with the intention of drawing coverage and then passing the ball more often.

Brunson will always get assists like Randle got assists because when you handle the ball that much you will end up dumping the ball as defenders converge and someone else will score instead.

But he is 100% a score first guard which can work if moderated. But he gets tunnel vision and loses sight of the big picture too often for a PG.

Brunson is a SG who inherits the PG role because of usage, not because he is a good floor general, which he is not most of the time. He could be, but he defaults to his strength which is ISO. And we have not figured out how to make that work as a team this year.


Indy's been cutting off his passing lanes and dealing with him having big scoring games.

We need an Iguodala type player who can also shoot. Unfortunately, Hart only fits one of the criteria. But a second playmaker.


Yes, a bigger player who can pass from the key would help. Technically speaking, KAT could presumably do that as he has good passing ability facing the rim, but that's not who he is on a regular basis.

Guys like Dray or Noah who can set picks and still have the offense run through them is what they need. It would be great if OG was that guy, but he isn't.

This is the void we had when iHart left. He was very good at this and it opened up our game and off ball movement a lot.


may i suggest josh giddey then?
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#962 » by Clyde_Style » Thu May 29, 2025 4:42 am

Adelheid wrote:
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Indy's been cutting off his passing lanes and dealing with him having big scoring games.

We need an Iguodala type player who can also shoot. Unfortunately, Hart only fits one of the criteria. But a second playmaker.


Yes, a bigger player who can pass from the key would help. Technically speaking, KAT could presumably do that as he has good passing ability facing the rim, but that's not who he is on a regular basis.

Guys like Dray or Noah who can set picks and still have the offense run through them is what they need. It would be great if OG was that guy, but he isn't.

This is the void we had when iHart left. He was very good at this and it opened up our game and off ball movement a lot.


may i suggest josh giddey then?


I think he found a home in Chicago and probably will not be available in free agency
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Post#963 » by Worst_to_First » Thu May 29, 2025 4:54 am

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The thing with grief is it never goes away we just learn how to live with it.


I lost my five-year old girl. I know what this sentence means.


Damn man, I'm sorry. Truly hope you have a great support group around you to help you carry this.


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Post#964 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 5:25 am

K_ick_God wrote:There are problems with the team, roster wise, obviously, but the combination of the roster and Tom is really toxic

It's dumb to start off with JB shooting every time after what KAT did but then again, KAT mostly sucked, our defense was awful, Tom doesn't know which lineups work or not, he's a mess. IF you start off with the presumption that KAT can win it again, maybe it happens ... he played badly, but only really badly after the team had already fallen apart

Hali and Pacers coaching was impressive ... Siakam has been great. Maybe they win anyway because:

KAT sucked

0g needs to go, he can't make a layup and his shooting kind of sucks

Mikal has zero awarness, no intensity, mopes around and looks blank half the time, tons of careless plays. And yet all he does is play every minute. The dude is a MAJOR disaster and it won't get better ... he's the king of meaningless 3's

Deuce got very little time or chances but did make a bad pass

Awful but probably still win the series if Tom didn't completely give away a done W in G1. Or at least, that propels them and they can eke out the series. Pacers came ready to make sure we didn't win ... and Tom, well he's Tom

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Post#965 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 5:28 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
Guano wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
I lost my five-year old girl. I know what this sentence means.


Damn man, I'm sorry. Truly hope you have a great support group around you to help you carry this.


Thank you my brother, You guys are one of those support groups.

OMG, I'm so so sorry. I wish I knew what to say but no words can't capture the gravity of such a devastating loss. I grieve for you, brother, and hope that you and your family are taking care of yourselves as you recover from this.

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Post#966 » by The KnicksFix » Thu May 29, 2025 6:00 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
Guano wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
I lost my five-year old girl. I know what this sentence means.


Damn man, I'm sorry. Truly hope you have a great support group around you to help you carry this.


Thank you my brother, You guys are one of those support groups.


Damn ‘First. I’m sorry to hear that, truly
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Post#967 » by Reign23 » Thu May 29, 2025 9:15 am

HerSports85 wrote:This is exactly why, although a feat we have not achieved in 25 years, reaching the ECF and going out like this feels like failure.

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this is such bs. If any other team had this run after such a long time, but with us its "lol knicks - how embarassing".
Even if we go out I will always remember this season as a great success.
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Post#968 » by Reign23 » Thu May 29, 2025 9:19 am

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sol537 wrote:The pain of this ECF will be over soon….


The thing with grief is it never goes away we just learn how to live with it.


I lost my five-year old girl. I know what this sentence means.

my condolences brother. :(
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Post#969 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu May 29, 2025 10:35 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
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sol537 wrote:The pain of this ECF will be over soon….


The thing with grief is it never goes away we just learn how to live with it.


I lost my five-year old girl. I know what this sentence means.
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Post#970 » by Fat Kat » Thu May 29, 2025 12:47 pm

Reign23 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:This is exactly why, although a feat we have not achieved in 25 years, reaching the ECF and going out like this feels like failure.

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this is such bs. If any other team had this run after such a long time, but with us its "lol knicks - how embarassing".
Even if we go out I will always remember this season as a great success.


Agreed. Also, it’s nonsense that we’re still having the Jalen Brunson “1A” conversation on the networks. The top 4 teams are all “contenders”. The Knicks are down because of a lucky bounce in game one.

We’ve gotten farther than anyone expected and the fans should be proud of the team. We shouldn’t be moving any goalposts
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Post#971 » by HerSports85 » Thu May 29, 2025 1:28 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
Reign23 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:This is exactly why, although a feat we have not achieved in 25 years, reaching the ECF and going out like this feels like failure.

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this is such bs. If any other team had this run after such a long time, but with us its "lol knicks - how embarassing".
Even if we go out I will always remember this season as a great success.


Agreed. Also, it’s nonsense that we’re still having the Jalen Brunson “1A” conversation on the networks. The top 4 teams are all “contenders”. The Knicks are down because of a lucky bounce in game one.

We’ve gotten farther than anyone expected and the fans should be proud of the team. We shouldn’t be moving any goalposts


A lucky bounce is crazy. That's not why we lost. It was a historical collapse. I understand that making this far was an accomplishment, that's why I said losing how we are feels like a failure. We squandered our opportunity. It seems like we were just okay with making to the ECF and what most are saying is that you don't get many opportunities like this.
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Post#972 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 29, 2025 1:37 pm

HerSports85 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Reign23 wrote:this is such bs. If any other team had this run after such a long time, but with us its "lol knicks - how embarassing".
Even if we go out I will always remember this season as a great success.


Agreed. Also, it’s nonsense that we’re still having the Jalen Brunson “1A” conversation on the networks. The top 4 teams are all “contenders”. The Knicks are down because of a lucky bounce in game one.

We’ve gotten farther than anyone expected and the fans should be proud of the team. We shouldn’t be moving any goalposts


A lucky bounce is crazy. That's not why we lost. It was an historical collapse. I understand that making this far was an accomplishment, that's why I said losing how we are feels like a failure. We squandered our opportunity. It seems like we were just okay with making to the ECF and what most are saying is that you don't get many opportunities like this.


There are zero guarantees that we get this far with the team healthy next year. Look at how Boston and Cleveland went down.

This is absolutely a blown opportunity. That's why this is soul crushing
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Post#973 » by whocares1 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:28 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Agreed. Also, it’s nonsense that we’re still having the Jalen Brunson “1A” conversation on the networks. The top 4 teams are all “contenders”. The Knicks are down because of a lucky bounce in game one.

We’ve gotten farther than anyone expected and the fans should be proud of the team. We shouldn’t be moving any goalposts


A lucky bounce is crazy. That's not why we lost. It was an historical collapse. I understand that making this far was an accomplishment, that's why I said losing how we are feels like a failure. We squandered our opportunity. It seems like we were just okay with making to the ECF and what most are saying is that you don't get many opportunities like this.


There are zero guarantees that we get this far with the team healthy next year. Look at how Boston and Cleveland went down.

This is absolutely a blown opportunity. That's why this is soul crushing


It’s not soul crushing at all relax lol. Everyone said the same thing when the Heat upsetted the Bucks and then the Knicks lost to the Heat in 6.

Even if the Knicks made the Finals there is no way in hell you think this team even has a chance against OKC after what they just did to the Wolves and everyone else in their path. Just getting to the Finals isn’t the goal.
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Post#974 » by spree8 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:25 pm

whocares1 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
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A lucky bounce is crazy. That's not why we lost. It was an historical collapse. I understand that making this far was an accomplishment, that's why I said losing how we are feels like a failure. We squandered our opportunity. It seems like we were just okay with making to the ECF and what most are saying is that you don't get many opportunities like this.


There are zero guarantees that we get this far with the team healthy next year. Look at how Boston and Cleveland went down.

This is absolutely a blown opportunity. That's why this is soul crushing


It’s not soul crushing at all relax lol.


I dunno man..

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Post#975 » by spree8 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:29 pm

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Could be a player philosophy. Scorers don't want to pick up 94 feet.

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Who would pick up? Jalen? No chance. Mikal? Nope. OG? Burns him out. So who's left? Sit somebody for McBride? He would be cool with picking up 94 feet.

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Yea I must’ve suggested starting Deuce for Hart like a million times since before the season started.
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Post#976 » by sol537 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:30 pm

I'm 99% certain we win game 4 and are sitting here at 2-2 if about ~35 of Hart/Mikal's combined minutes were split between Mitch/Deuce/Wright/Shamet, instead. The only quarters/minutes we've really dominated/won in this series was when we went with 4 locked in defenders + KAT.
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Post#977 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu May 29, 2025 3:33 pm

spree8 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
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This def Thibs burner account
Who would pick up? Jalen? No chance. Mikal? Nope. OG? Burns him out. So who's left? Sit somebody for McBride? He would be cool with picking up 94 feet.

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Yea I must’ve suggested starting Deuce for Hart like a million times since before the season started.
That'a very small backcourt though. KAT has to rebound everything and big wings feast.

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Post#978 » by spree8 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:38 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
spree8 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:Who would pick up? Jalen? No chance. Mikal? Nope. OG? Burns him out. So who's left? Sit somebody for McBride? He would be cool with picking up 94 feet.

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Yea I must’ve suggested starting Deuce for Hart like a million times since before the season started.
That'a very small backcourt though. KAT has to rebound everything and big wings feast.

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I wrote this in the G2 thread in response to the same concern:

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Post#979 » by whocares1 » Thu May 29, 2025 4:31 pm

spree8 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
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Yea I must’ve suggested starting Deuce for Hart like a million times since before the season started.
That'a very small backcourt though. KAT has to rebound everything and big wings feast.

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I wrote this in the G2 thread in response to the same concern:

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I would say that I agree that deuce should start over hart but you are seriously underestimating how impactful Josh’s rebounding ability really is.
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Post#980 » by spree8 » Thu May 29, 2025 4:38 pm

whocares1 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:That'a very small backcourt though. KAT has to rebound everything and big wings feast.

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I wrote this in the G2 thread in response to the same concern:

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I would say that I agree that deuce should start over hart but you are seriously underestimating how impactful Josh’s rebounding ability really is.



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