Hamsterdam (Ex-players, s***posts, beef, etc.) Continued

[Enzo954]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

The big key here is that we would have had to give Randle a max contract or let him walk for nothing if we didn't trade him for Kat, and that would have been disastrous. We made the correct decision by far and we won this trade IMO. Sucks losing Donte though.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

The big key here is that we would have had to give Randle a max contract or let him walk for nothing if we didn't trade him for Kat, and that would have been disastrous. We made the correct decision by far and we won this trade IMO. Sucks losing Donte though.

Hilarious how they're trying to spin it as a lateral move, the Wolves made it to the same spot they did last year, and lost in the same amount of games. We made it further than we have been in 25 years.


Giving bum ass Randle an extension would have been a war crime, and Wolves fans want him gone now too

[Gravy]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

The big key here is that we would have had to give Randle a max contract or let him walk for nothing if we didn't trade him for Kat, and that would have been disastrous. We made the correct decision by far and we won this trade IMO. Sucks losing Donte though.

Hilarious how they're trying to spin it as a lateral move, the Wolves made it to the same spot they did last year, and lost in the same amount of games. We made it further than we have been in 25 years.


Giving bum ass Randle an extension would have been a war crime, and Wolves fans want him gone now too

You know we should have beaten the Pacers last year easily with a healthy team. Randle and KAT are equally good/bum azz lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The big key here is that we would have had to give Randle a max contract or let him walk for nothing if we didn't trade him for Kat, and that would have been disastrous. We made the correct decision by far and we won this trade IMO. Sucks losing Donte though.

Hilarious how they're trying to spin it as a lateral move, the Wolves made it to the same spot they did last year, and lost in the same amount of games. We made it further than we have been in 25 years.


Giving bum ass Randle an extension would have been a war crime, and Wolves fans want him gone now too

You know we should have beaten the Pacers last year easily with a healthy team. Randle and KAT are equally good/bum azz lol

Should? We didn't. While we made the ECF with KAT, I don't need hypothetical alternate universes to make my statement. It cost nothing to be a Wolves fan, their board is that way.

[MrDollarBills]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

The big key here is that we would have had to give Randle a max contract or let him walk for nothing if we didn't trade him for Kat, and that would have been disastrous. We made the correct decision by far and we won this trade IMO. Sucks losing Donte though.

Hilarious how they're trying to spin it as a lateral move, the Wolves made it to the same spot they did last year, and lost in the same amount of games. We made it further than we have been in 25 years.


Giving bum ass Randle an extension would have been a war crime, and Wolves fans want him gone now too

We're literally in the ECF after flaming out in Round 2. That's a vertical move to me.

I got no hard feelings against Julius tbh, I loved him here.

What I miss tho is having a dude on the roster that no one wants to test physically (I've yet to see anyone try Randle, and for good reason) and having a Donte willing to throw hands for his teammates. Not that we need to bring either guy back, but it would be nice to add a little meanness to the line up.

[Gravy]

Hilarious how they're trying to spin it as a lateral move, the Wolves made it to the same spot they did last year, and lost in the same amount of games. We made it further than we have been in 25 years.


Giving bum ass Randle an extension would have been a war crime, and Wolves fans want him gone now too

You know we should have beaten the Pacers last year easily with a healthy team. Randle and KAT are equally good/bum azz lol

Should? We didn't. While we made the ECF with KAT, I don't need hypothetical alternate universes to make my statement. It cost nothing to be a Wolves fan, their board is that way.

I would take last year's team at full health over this one in a second

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You know we should have beaten the Pacers last year easily with a healthy team. Randle and KAT are equally good/bum azz lol

Should? We didn't. While we made the ECF with KAT, I don't need hypothetical alternate universes to make my statement. It cost nothing to be a Wolves fan, their board is that way.

I would take last year's team at full health over this one is a second

So, you're never getting what you want, which makes me happier.

[Enzo954]

The few Randle Stans on here are just delusional. First time to the ECF's in decades and they'd rather give a proven playoff choke artist a max extension that would hinder our squad for years. You guys are just going to die on that hill no matter what the common sense crowd says. I just don't understand the blind loyalty to a player that quits on his teammates year after year, slaps laptops out of coaches hands on national tv and gives his fans the middle finger, all while recently admitting that the NY spotlight affected his mental state and gameplay here. What am I missing that causes you few to follow him around like he's the messiah?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The few Randle Stans on here are just delusional. First time to the ECF's in decades and they'd rather give a proven playoff choke artist a max extension that would hinder our squad for years. You guys are just going to die on that hill no matter what the common sense crowd says. I just don't understand the blind loyalty to a player that quits on his teammates year after year, slaps laptops out of coaches hands on national tv and gives his fans the middle finger, all while recently admitting that the NY spotlight affected his mental state and gameplay here. What am I missing that causes you few to follow him around like he's the messiah?

It's a desperate need to be right, so that they can be like "See, I told you" but using Randle as your primary driving force behind that is insane. The fact he had a complete and utter dud against the Thunder is hilarious, and how they're trying to sweep it under the rug like he wasn't awful is even better. We've reached a point where time travel or alternate universes are part of the discussion, "Imagine if Randle was healthy last year we would have won the title" as though he wasn't healthy this year and didn't just **** the bed in the WCF Sorry, if you need Avengers Endgame levels of breaking the space time continuum to support your point it's probably because reality hasn't gone your way.

[Chanel Bomber]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

No, we went a round further, while they went to the same place.

That's without accounting for the fact that we lost talent in the offseason by simultaneously losing Hartenstein and acquiring Mikal. The Wolves talent outside the KAT-Randle deal remained the same.

KAT is a superior player to Randle, I don't really know why this is being debated. And Randle's a quality player in his own right, don't get me wrong.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

No, we went a round further, while they went to the same place.

That's without accounting for the fact that we lost talent in the offseason by simultaneously losing Hartenstein and acquiring Mikal. The Wolves talent outside the KAT-Randle deal remained the same.

KAT is a superior player to Randle, I don't really know why this is being debated. And Randle's a quality player in his own right, don't get me wrong.

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[god shammgod]

it wasn't just randle though. it was randle, divo and a pick. and 5 picks for mikal. and we weren't healthy in round 2 or we maybe would have made the ecf last year. hard to say we're definitively better. you would have needed to see both teams for longer and completely healthy. i think it's a wash personally. and it's lot of money and assets for a wash.

[Gravy]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

No, we went a round further, while they went to the same place.

That's without accounting for the fact that we lost talent in the offseason by simultaneously losing Hartenstein and acquiring Mikal. The Wolves talent outside the KAT-Randle deal remained the same.

KAT is a superior player to Randle, I don't really know why this is being debated. And Randle's a quality player in his own right, don't get me wrong.

KAT is more talented but he does not seem to work as well with Brunson and the rest of the team offensively and defensively. The fit is not there and it has not looked right all 3 rounds of the playoffs so far.

[Chanel Bomber]

it wasn't just randle though. it was randle, divo and a pick. and 5 picks for mikal. and we weren't healthy in round 2 or we maybe would have made the ecf last year. hard to say we're definitively better. you would have needed to see both teams for longer and completely healthy.

If injuries matter then one could make the argument that the Wolves only went back to the WCF because Steph got hurt.

There's too much noise to hypothesize with absolute certainty how the teams would've performed after the trade with all exogenous factors remaining stable (which they didn't for the Knicks) and perfect health across the NBA in the last two seasons.

The Knicks needed a center and KAT made All-Star, All-NBA for them while being the most impactful Knicks player per EPM, and the Knicks made the ECF and beat Boston with him as their 5.

The results speak for themselves. I think it's pretty much common sense that the trade was beneficial for us. Minnesota I don't care.

[Chanel Bomber]

KAT for Randle looks like a lateral trade for both teams, we ended up in exactly the same place. This is the only time I can think of that ever happening.

Knicks could use more bench help and a replacement for what IHart gave us.

No, we went a round further, while they went to the same place.

That's without accounting for the fact that we lost talent in the offseason by simultaneously losing Hartenstein and acquiring Mikal. The Wolves talent outside the KAT-Randle deal remained the same.

KAT is a superior player to Randle, I don't really know why this is being debated. And Randle's a quality player in his own right, don't get me wrong.

KAT is more talented but he does not seem to work as well with Brunson and the rest of the team offensively and defensively. The fit is not there and it has not looked right all 3 rounds of the playoffs so far.

Yet we made it to the ECF, beat Boston, and KAT is #1 on the team in impact per EPM.

[god shammgod]

it wasn't just randle though. it was randle, divo and a pick. and 5 picks for mikal. and we weren't healthy in round 2 or we maybe would have made the ecf last year. hard to say we're definitively better. you would have needed to see both teams for longer and completely healthy.

If injuries matter then one could make the argument that the Wolves only went back to the WCF because Steph got hurt.

There's too much noise to hypothesize with absolute certainty how the teams would've performed after the trade with all exogenous factors remaining stable (which they didn't for the Knicks) and perfect health across the NBA in the last two seasons.

The Knicks needed a center and KAT made All-Star, All-NBA for them while being the most impactful Knicks player per EPM, and the Knicks made the ECF and beat Boston with him as their 5.

The results speak for themselves. I think it's pretty much common sense that the trade was beneficial for us. Minnesota I don't care.

but we spent 6 picks for these results. if you can make an argument about how much better or not we are after spending 6 picks it's a problem.

and if your'e gonna give the wolves a demerit because of golden state's injuries then you have to do the same for us vs boston.

as you said, there's too much noise to say with absolute certainty. but after spending what we did you should be able to say. the fact that we can't speaks for itself.

[Chanel Bomber]

it wasn't just randle though. it was randle, divo and a pick. and 5 picks for mikal. and we weren't healthy in round 2 or we maybe would have made the ecf last year. hard to say we're definitively better. you would have needed to see both teams for longer and completely healthy.

If injuries matter then one could make the argument that the Wolves only went back to the WCF because Steph got hurt.

There's too much noise to hypothesize with absolute certainty how the teams would've performed after the trade with all exogenous factors remaining stable (which they didn't for the Knicks) and perfect health across the NBA in the last two seasons.

The Knicks needed a center and KAT made All-Star, All-NBA for them while being the most impactful Knicks player per EPM, and the Knicks made the ECF and beat Boston with him as their 5.

The results speak for themselves. I think it's pretty much common sense that the trade was beneficial for us. Minnesota I don't care.

but we spent 6 picks for these results. if you can make an argument about how much better or not we are after spending 6 picks it's a problem.

and if your'e gonna give the wolves a demerit because of golden state's injuries then you have to do the same for us vs boston.

as you said, there's too much noise to say with absolute certainty. but after spending what we did you should be able to say. the fact that we can't speaks for itself.

Well the majority of those 6 picks went in the Mikal trade and I was very much against it.

This has barely anything to do with the KAT trade, if it's the KAT trade we're assessing.

Mikal didn't make All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense and the impact metrics don't like him. The opposite of KAT. I think you can tell where the offseason went wrong.

[god shammgod]

If injuries matter then one could make the argument that the Wolves only went back to the WCF because Steph got hurt.

There's too much noise to hypothesize with absolute certainty how the teams would've performed after the trade with all exogenous factors remaining stable (which they didn't for the Knicks) and perfect health across the NBA in the last two seasons.

The Knicks needed a center and KAT made All-Star, All-NBA for them while being the most impactful Knicks player per EPM, and the Knicks made the ECF and beat Boston with him as their 5.

The results speak for themselves. I think it's pretty much common sense that the trade was beneficial for us. Minnesota I don't care.

but we spent 6 picks for these results. if you can make an argument about how much better or not we are after spending 6 picks it's a problem.

and if your'e gonna give the wolves a demerit because of golden state's injuries then you have to do the same for us vs boston.

as you said, there's too much noise to say with absolute certainty. but after spending what we did you should be able to say. the fact that we can't speaks for itself.

Well the majority of those 6 picks went in the Mikal trade and I was very much against it.

This has barely anything to do with the KAT trade, if it's the KAT trade we're assessing.

Mikal didn't make All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense and the impact metrics don't like him. The opposite of KAT. I think you can tell where the offseason went wrong.

but you're using team results to assess kat vs randle. so you have to factor in the picks. as we didn't just do player for player trades. even in the kat trade another quality nba player and a pick were included. it's really not clear that we're any better off.

[sol537]

The trade is still TBD... will depend on how KAT looks next to Mitch next season under a new coach or what KAT brings back in a trade.

So far, it was a solid move since we didn't want to re-sign Randle long-term on a major deal.

[Chanel Bomber]

but we spent 6 picks for these results. if you can make an argument about how much better or not we are after spending 6 picks it's a problem.

and if your'e gonna give the wolves a demerit because of golden state's injuries then you have to do the same for us vs boston.

as you said, there's too much noise to say with absolute certainty. but after spending what we did you should be able to say. the fact that we can't speaks for itself.

Well the majority of those 6 picks went in the Mikal trade and I was very much against it.

This has barely anything to do with the KAT trade, if it's the KAT trade we're assessing.

Mikal didn't make All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense and the impact metrics don't like him. The opposite of KAT. I think you can tell where the offseason went wrong.

but you're using team results to assess kat vs randle. so you have to factor in the picks. as we didn't just do player for player trades. even in the kat trade another quality nba player and a pick were included. it's really not clear that we're any better off.

And as I mentioned I think the team was worse off by losing Hartenstein and getting Mikal. So we were at a deficit talent-wise compared to last year before the KAT trade even went down.

I think the upgrade from Randle and Divo to KAT is one of the main reasons we were even able to win 50 games to begin with.

Listen I know you're big on common sense which is something I always appreciated about your posts.

I personally think it's common sense that getting - literally, not theoretically - an All-Star, All-NBA big who impact metrics paint favorably and who can play center (unlike Randle) when we had no center to start the year was an upgrade. You don't even need the team results to come to that conclusion, but that they were positive sort of puts a ribbon on the discussion imo, regardless of the external noise.