Is the NBA both a rigged league and about to have Oklahoma and Indiana play in the NBA finals?

[NZB2323]

Spoiler:

the "evidence" being used here seems to be the same on both sides

"something didn't happen the way I think it should have happened, therefore the NBA is rigged/not rigged!"

anyone using this as "evidence" is an idiot

The person who makes the accusation has to provide the evidence. There’s no evidence I can provide that I’m not a robot. There’s no evidence you can provide that you’re not a pedophile.

Yet, neither side is providing evidence, so it shouldn’t be used to make one point or another.

But let’s use your analogy and say ppl accused you of doing pedo things when you were in a room with a bunch of kids. They’re suspicious because you act pervy around kids, but some think it’s perfectly normal (e.g. Joe Biden’s behavior)

You claim that you were in a room full of witnesses consisting of Epstein and his friends. You even have video footage of what goes on in there, except you and the kid are behind some curtains in the video, obstructed from view.

Sure it’s far fetched to think that anything would happen considering there are witnesses and a video recording, but ppl are still suspicious.

Your response is “oh look, I kissed a grown woman, why in the world would I do that if I’m a pedo? This is evidence that nothing happened!”

I’m just saying it ain’t evidence and your response is dumb af

You have provided no evidence that you’re not a pedo.

Let's not use this example.

[stepic]

No team from the 3 largest markets -- 5 teams in total, or 1/6th of the league -- has had a #1 overall pick in 17 years, and the Finals over that same stretch have been dominated by small/mid market teams, but nevertheless conspiracy theorists claim that the league is rigged to help the big markets.

If there is rigging, it seems to exist to help the little teams.

Conspiracy theorists around here seriously need to read up about confirmation bias

[sp6r=underrated]

After the Luka and #1 draft pick situation, every other fan was saying the NBA rigs things to benefit the league. If that’s the case, you’d probably wager they’d prefer the Knicks or a team with a major superstar, rather than two small market, middle-America teams playing in their ultimate showcase.

Good thread and I've created these before. The combined population of metro OKC and Indianapolis is smaller than the Twin Cities alone. These aren't small markets teams. This is a tiny market finals which is completely inconsistent with the "NBA is fixed" mantra.

The NBA is fixed crowd tends to ignore outcomes that are inconsistent with their belief. They ignore San Antonio winning the lottery three times in drafts with can't miss Hall-of-Famers because that is inconsistent with the NBA being fixed. If they do address it they come up with bizarre justifications such as the Spurs got Wemby "for Pop" or "they have to avoid fixing everything so isn't obvious."

They also come up with retroactive justifications to explain away outcomes inconsistent with the NBA being fixed. Retroactively Cleveland winning the Lebron draft makes sense because the NBA wants to sends superstars to their home states to boost business. Does anyone care about players home states? Not really but the conspiracy theorists retroactively made it a huge deal.

The two mega markets, NYC and Los Angeles, were in the Lebron lottery. And then the big markets of Chicago, Bay Area, Atlanta and Miami were in it too. Having Lebron in those markets would have been better for business than having him in Cleveland.

The "NBA is fixed" crowd is a combination of people driven by envy of the Lakers success and people who have very low social trust. The former are pathetic if they are over the age of sixteen. The latter are a sad group of people who really misunderstand how the world operates.

[RoteSchroder]

The person who makes the accusation has to provide the evidence. There’s no evidence I can provide that I’m not a robot. There’s no evidence you can provide that you’re not a pedophile.

Yet, neither side is providing evidence, so it shouldn’t be used to make one point or another.

But let’s use your analogy and say ppl accused you of doing pedo things when you were in a room with a bunch of kids. They’re suspicious because you act pervy around kids, but some think it’s perfectly normal (e.g. Joe Biden’s behavior)

You claim that you were in a room full of witnesses consisting of Epstein and his friends. You even have video footage of what goes on in there, except you and the kid are behind some curtains in the video, obstructed from view.

Sure it’s far fetched to think that anything would happen considering there are witnesses and a video recording, but ppl are still suspicious.

Your response is “oh look, I kissed a grown woman, why in the world would I do that if I’m a pedo? This is evidence that nothing happened!”

I’m just saying it ain’t evidence and your response is dumb af

You have provided no evidence that you’re not a pedo.

I have done nothing suspicious.

Police put ppl on a suspect list all the time without evidence. Usually an investigation is done after that.

Equating this to an individual accusation, also another idiotic tactic.

[Optms]

Not everything is rigged.

How many times do we need to go over this?

It's impossible to rig everything.

However, some things are most definitely rigged.

Yep. Just the draft lottery really.

[DimesandKnicks]

Op is missing the point that outside Manhattan nobody wants to watch the Knicks, that's doubly true for the league's international fan base.

Watch the games, sometimes it sounds like there are more Knick fan's at away games than home fans

There's a core base of east coast fans who are insanely dedicated, having stuck with the franchise through a prolonged period of comically bad ineptitute, but outside of them, the Knicks just aren't a draw.

They're not the Yankees or Cowboys despite how they try to position themselves...

Game 1 against the pacers was the most watched EC Finals open since 2018. It’s fun sharing opinions but they don’t beat facts. They’re clearly a draw relative to other NBA teams

[D.Brasco]

For those here claiming the NBA doesn't rig everything but does rig the draft, why not rig it to get the #1 picks to any of the glamor franchises of the NBA ,who as has been pointed out have been in a massive drought with getting #1 picks? The Bulls were the face of the NBA for a decade in the 90s and they haven't come away with really there in return from the draft.

Does the NBA just love Dallas so much for random reasons?

[NZB2323]

Yet, neither side is providing evidence, so it shouldn’t be used to make one point or another.

But let’s use your analogy and say ppl accused you of doing pedo things when you were in a room with a bunch of kids. They’re suspicious because you act pervy around kids, but some think it’s perfectly normal (e.g. Joe Biden’s behavior)

You claim that you were in a room full of witnesses consisting of Epstein and his friends. You even have video footage of what goes on in there, except you and the kid are behind some curtains in the video, obstructed from view.

Sure it’s far fetched to think that anything would happen considering there are witnesses and a video recording, but ppl are still suspicious.

Your response is “oh look, I kissed a grown woman, why in the world would I do that if I’m a pedo? This is evidence that nothing happened!”

I’m just saying it ain’t evidence and your response is dumb af

You have provided no evidence that you’re not a pedo.

I have done nothing suspicious.

Police put ppl on a suspect list all the time without evidence. Usually an investigation is done after that.

Equating this to an individual accusation, also another idiotic tactic.

“I have done nothing suspicious,” is what a guilty person would say.

Where is the evidence that the league has done something suspicious?

Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. The FBI was monitoring MLK. Thinking someone is suspicious is just gossip. Where is the proof that Lady Gaga isn’t a man? Where is the proof that Lebron James isn’t an alien? Where is the proof that Presti isn’t a time traveler? Where is the proof that Jokic isn’t a robot? Where is the proof that the Thunder don’t have gay orgies with each other in the showers after victories? Where is the proof that you’re not a pedo?

[Lalouie]

those two things would be oxymoronic

[GiannisAnte34]

The MLB could have bots that call balls and strikes with 100% accuracy today, but they don’t. There’s a reason they don’t and it ain’t traditional values

[RoteSchroder]

You have provided no evidence that you’re not a pedo.

I have done nothing suspicious.

Police put ppl on a suspect list all the time without evidence. Usually an investigation is done after that.

Equating this to an individual accusation, also another idiotic tactic.

“I have done nothing suspicious,” is what a guilty person would say.

Where is the evidence that the league has done something suspicious?

Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. The FBI was monitoring MLK. Thinking someone is suspicious is just gossip. Where is the proof that Lady Gaga isn’t a man? Where is the proof that Lebron James isn’t an alien? Where is the proof that Presti isn’t a time traveler? Where is the proof that Jokic isn’t a robot? Where is the proof that the Thunder don’t have gay orgies with each other in the showers after victories? Where is the proof that you’re not a pedo?

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

[CharityStripe34]

I think the market size thing is way overplayed. It's more about which stars they want to see.

[D.Brasco]

I have done nothing suspicious.

Police put ppl on a suspect list all the time without evidence. Usually an investigation is done after that.

Equating this to an individual accusation, also another idiotic tactic.

“I have done nothing suspicious,” is what a guilty person would say.

Where is the evidence that the league has done something suspicious?

Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. The FBI was monitoring MLK. Thinking someone is suspicious is just gossip. Where is the proof that Lady Gaga isn’t a man? Where is the proof that Lebron James isn’t an alien? Where is the proof that Presti isn’t a time traveler? Where is the proof that Jokic isn’t a robot? Where is the proof that the Thunder don’t have gay orgies with each other in the showers after victories? Where is the proof that you’re not a pedo?

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

[Pointgod]

After the Luka and #1 draft pick situation, every other fan was saying the NBA rigs things to benefit the league. If that’s the case, you’d probably wager they’d prefer the Knicks or a team with a major superstar, rather than two small market, middle-America teams playing in their ultimate showcase.

It’s all a diversion you see! The NBA is trying to throw people off of their trail including telling Anthony Edwards to stop using condoms….

[Black Jack]

Op is missing the point that outside Manhattan nobody wants to watch the Knicks, that's doubly true for the league's international fan base.

not true. random people I know have Knicks fever that aren't even from NYC.

[Pointgod]

Conspiracy theories are literally the dumbest things in existence. Conspiracy theorists can’t be reasoned with. It’s always heads I win, tails you lose with these people. I’d say other things but don’t feel like getting banned.

[NZB2323]

I have done nothing suspicious.

Police put ppl on a suspect list all the time without evidence. Usually an investigation is done after that.

Equating this to an individual accusation, also another idiotic tactic.

“I have done nothing suspicious,” is what a guilty person would say.

Where is the evidence that the league has done something suspicious?

Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. The FBI was monitoring MLK. Thinking someone is suspicious is just gossip. Where is the proof that Lady Gaga isn’t a man? Where is the proof that Lebron James isn’t an alien? Where is the proof that Presti isn’t a time traveler? Where is the proof that Jokic isn’t a robot? Where is the proof that the Thunder don’t have gay orgies with each other in the showers after victories? Where is the proof that you’re not a pedo?

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

There’s no evidence! I feel like I’m in an episode of Ancient Aliens. “Could Aliens be using mind control to run the NBA?” “Did Aliens use mind control on Nico? Could Nico be an alien?”

How am I supposed to provide proof that Nico Harrison isn’t an alien? It’s an impossible standard to meet.

I can’t have evidence of something not happening, just like how you can’t provide evidence of you not being a pedo. Thunder fans don’t have evidence that the Thunder don’t engage in gay orgies, though someone could say it’s “suspicious” how close they are with each other, how good of chemistry the team has, and how great they are at sharing the ball.

The people making the claim need evidence. Otherwise it’s just gossip, like Lady Gaga being a man, Lebron James being a robot, or Barack Obama being the antichrist.

[RoteSchroder]

“I have done nothing suspicious,” is what a guilty person would say.

Where is the evidence that the league has done something suspicious?

Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. The FBI was monitoring MLK. Thinking someone is suspicious is just gossip. Where is the proof that Lady Gaga isn’t a man? Where is the proof that Lebron James isn’t an alien? Where is the proof that Presti isn’t a time traveler? Where is the proof that Jokic isn’t a robot? Where is the proof that the Thunder don’t have gay orgies with each other in the showers after victories? Where is the proof that you’re not a pedo?

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

[D.Brasco]

Now you need “evidence that there’s suspicion” roflmao

Neither side has provided “evidence”, no investigation been done, get that in your head. There is no evidence. You seem to be having trouble understanding English.


Plenty of people have stated facts that have caused them to be suspicious. You can argue that these facts are NOT causes for suspicion.

Neither arguments (it’s suspicious vs it’s not suspicious) are evidence of anything.

It’s not a hard concept, though for you it might be.

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

LeBron being drafted by Cleveland is a fact. Claiming that it was rigged is pure conjecture, and the onus is on the claimant to prove that conjecture. It's very simple.

[RoteSchroder]

They have presented absolutely no facts, just pure conjecture.

If the league rigs the draft, why not rig it for the glamor franchises that provide the most revenue for the league? The league rigs the draft for the Knicks because they are in new york, and then leaves them out to dry for 40 years after. Makes total sense.

Again, making stupid reasons on why it is or isn’t rigged.

Did Lebron get drafted to Cleveland with the #1 pick? Seems like a fact to me.

Did Dikembe claim he was told Philly was gonna remain in the top 3? Another fact

Is this suspicious? Maybe yes to some. Or maybe not. You can explain why it’s not suspicious.

None of it is actually evidence (technically foreknowledge can be taken as evidence in court).

LeBron being drafted by Cleveland is a fact. Claiming that it was rigged is pure conjecture, and the onus is on the claimant to prove that conjecture. It's very simple.

Yes, it is conjecture. You can be suspicious of it, but you can’t claim it’s rigged.

Why did you go on about the Knicks. Wtf does that have to do with anything.