Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[89Magicfan]

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not at you more of a statement. If they move Suggs before even trying to pair him with a more offensively minded PG then I'll give up. Would signal they **** up on the KCP signing but he doesn't have value so they can't move him and now are having to make a panic move because they're backed into a corner.

Yeah more I look him up less I like the deal. I rather keep Suggs.

[Magic_Johnny12]

On another note: I’m kinda coming around on Quickly and wonder what it would cost.

I know Toronto is looking to compete sooner than later so they may have some interest in vets like KCP/Isaac/Goga.

I know he has some nagging injuries which is worrisome but if the price is right it might be worth the gamble.

Not on a max contract and would work well off ball with Paolo/Franz.

[MasterGMer]

I'd rather keep Suggs. He is the heart and soul of our defense and I know we need to improve scoring. But Suggs provide so many intangibles that can not be measured.

I think we could go outside the box unlike many of you have proposed, whether it is Simons, Coby White or Garland. Don't forget, Orlando has what it takes to go big this time around. Exciting summer and offseason. Hope it is great!

[orlando_joe]

Wagner = FA or expiring/no value
Harris = FA or expiring/no value
Anthony = expiring/no value
Isaac = 15m a night/injury prone/maybe neutral value due to his structure of his contract NOT his play
Carter Jr. = regressed/injury prone/paid like a top-20 center (LOL)
KCP = regressed/overpaid/negative value

You do understand that in order to make trades you actually have to have players/contracts other teams want right?

Thankfully, front offices are better at valuing assets than you

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

what would it have been like around here if magic signed paul george..lol

[Black and Blue]

Thankfully, front offices are better at valuing assets than you

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

what would it have been like around here if magic signed paul george..lol

I think about that constantly with the fact that both likely NBA finalists are the byproducts of jettisoning George from their team. If the rumors were true (and who knows if they were) that the Magic chased PG and he went with Philly...Good lord. This team would have been ruined for years and years.

It may explain why Weltman acted like a frightened turtle this past trade deadline. The ghost of the awful acquisition he almost made probably haunts him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Thankfully, front offices are better at valuing assets than you

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

what would it have been like around here if magic signed paul george..lol

It’s a good what-if.

We don’t know if George gets injured here.

He could have been the difference (if healthy) to us having home court advantage and/or helping Orlando propel past Boston.

With how wide open the east is this year you really never know how we could have fared deep in the playoffs.

[VFX]

Thankfully, front offices are better at valuing assets than you

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

what would it have been like around here if magic signed paul george..lol

It would be miserable and was why I was against it in general.

Paul George is 35 and always injured. He would limit us to even having these conversations.

Thats why the ceiling of the team and the timeframe is important with making these decisions.

[Knightro]

I am flabbergasted that people wouldn't trade Suggs for Garland genuinely.

The same Suggs who has missed almost double the amount of games over the last four years that Garland has missed.

[cedric76]

Wagner = FA or expiring/no value
Harris = FA or expiring/no value
Anthony = expiring/no value
Isaac = 15m a night/injury prone/maybe neutral value due to his structure of his contract NOT his play
Carter Jr. = regressed/injury prone/paid like a top-20 center (LOL)
KCP = regressed/overpaid/negative value

You do understand that in order to make trades you actually have to have players/contracts other teams want right?

Thankfully, front offices are better at valuing assets than you

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

With the new CBA, expiring contracts, contracts with teams options, partially guaranteed contracts and contracts under 23 M are very valuable.

We have it all.

I would strongly recommend you to listen to Keith from the front office show, he is a cap expert.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I am flabbergasted that people wouldn't trade Suggs for Garland genuinely.

The same Suggs who has missed almost double the amount of games over the last four years that Garland has missed.

Suggs + Simons or Sexton or White > Garland don’t think that’s hard to understand? You trade for Garland and that’s the all in move vs making a smaller move which could yield the same results.

Point being make a **** move this summer already Weltman

[cedric76]

I am flabbergasted that people wouldn't trade Suggs for Garland genuinely.

The same Suggs who has missed almost double the amount of games over the last four years that Garland has missed.

If both were 100% healthy, I d take suggs over garland any day.

I have zero doubt that garland would help us being one of the best team in the East during the regular season , BUT what happen once we reach the playoff?

Suggs is the type of player you need in playoffs, but he needs to be healthy then, if he is on the IL, then, you might prefer having garland instead


Tbh with you knightbro, I m torn on this one

I really like suggs

[jezzerinho]

I am flabbergasted that people wouldn't trade Suggs for Garland genuinely.

The same Suggs who has missed almost double the amount of games over the last four years that Garland has missed.

Suggs + Simons or Sexton or White > Garland don’t think that’s hard to understand? You trade for Garland and that’s the all in move vs making a smaller move which could yield the same results.

Point being make a **** move this summer already Weltman

I think the issue is Garlands durability and suitability for playoff BB. But I would be very open to trading Suggs for.the right guy. I'd like him in the West.tho because you don't want a pîssed off Suggs playing you multiple.times a year!

[dsg2021]

No thanks to Suggs for Garland here also. 5 APG to 3 TO in Playoffs. 34 3P% in the Playoffs, below league average. Advanced Stats in the Playoffs are not pretty. Defensive liability. Suggs is 2 years less experienced/younger than Garland, and a coveted archetype for many teams (Alex Caruso, Derrick White mold with way more youth upside). He could literally be the piece for like a Devin Booker trade later on. Something where it’s actually worth.

[AdamTheGreek]

Garland crumbles in big time moments.

Cleveland needs Suggs more than we need Garland.
Cavs would have to sweeten the trade, not us.
Also, Suggs’ contract is way better.

[Knightro]

I am flabbergasted that people wouldn't trade Suggs for Garland genuinely.

The same Suggs who has missed almost double the amount of games over the last four years that Garland has missed.

Suggs + Simons or Sexton or White > Garland don’t think that’s hard to understand? You trade for Garland and that’s the all in move vs making a smaller move which could yield the same results.

Point being make a **** move this summer already Weltman

I think Garland alone is better than Suggs/Simons or Suggs/Sexton.

Garland is an extremely good basketball player and is being underrated by this board.

25 year old, 2x all-star point guard signed for the next FOUR years at 26, 25, 24 and 23% of the salary cap.

.600 TS% this past year. Career low in turnover rate. He's excellent and literally exactly what this team lacks.

[Knightro]

Garland crumbles in big time moments.

Cleveland needs Suggs more than we need Garland.
Cavs would have to sweeten the trade, not us.
Also, Suggs’ contract is way better.

This is CRAZY stuff.

This is the same Jalen Suggs who shot 3/25 from 3PT range in the four games the Magic lost in Cleveland last year. He was a total shrinking no show in all four losses.

[AdamTheGreek]

Garland crumbles in big time moments.

Cleveland needs Suggs more than we need Garland.
Cavs would have to sweeten the trade, not us.
Also, Suggs’ contract is way better.

This is CRAZY stuff.

This is the same Jalen Suggs who shot 3/25 from 3PT range in the four games the Magic lost in Cleveland last year. He was a total shrinking no show in all four losses.

One playoffs series does not make a reputation.

[Skybox]

You know what, I genuinely hope you’re right.

I’m okay being wrong and have eaten crow in the past.

If Weltman can pull a rabbit out of his hat with the players I listed above I would be elated, however I’m not holding my breath and would advise you to do the same.

There’s a difference between being a homer and delusional, it’s okay to call a spade a spade.

what would it have been like around here if magic signed paul george..lol

It’s a good what-if.

We don’t know if George gets injured here.

He could have been the difference (if healthy) to us having home court advantage and/or helping Orlando propel past Boston.

With how wide open the east is this year you really never know how we could have fared deep in the playoffs.

and-1...healthy PG is 10x KCP

[VFX]

Garland crumbles in big time moments.

Cleveland needs Suggs more than we need Garland.
Cavs would have to sweeten the trade, not us.
Also, Suggs’ contract is way better.

This is CRAZY stuff.

This is the same Jalen Suggs who shot 3/25 from 3PT range in the four games the Magic lost in Cleveland last year. He was a total shrinking no show in all four losses.

Its kinda of funny none of this EVER applies to Paolo and Franz in these conversations.

Those two guys are completely off the table even though neither can shoot and are getting max deals without any question.

[Airgordon00]

Trade 1:
Magic get Simons
Blazers get Cole, Isaac, 25th pick, 46th pick and 58th pick.

Trade 2:
Magic get Gafford and Klay.
Dallas gets WCJ and KCP.

We get 2 volume 3 pt shooters and a big man who can be a lob threat. We still have the 16th pick to take a shot on a young prospect with high potential and no pressure to play right away. Then you roll out a more balanced roster.

Simons/Black/cojo
Suggs/Klay/Queen
Franz/Da Silva/houstan
Paolo/FA/Draftpick
Gafford/Moe/Goga

You don’t give up to much draft assets and get out of some useless long term salary. You get an actual outside threat who has some good shot creation in Simons who is also a local kid. Plus with Isaac gone he can fit in with #1 perfectly. I think with Suggs next to him he can step up his defensive effort and not be a complete dud. You get a good shot blocker and roll man in Gafford. You bring in a legendary shooter and world champion in Klay who definitely has lost a step but can still provide spacing on the 2 nd unit. Hopefully he could show our young stars how to get great at shooting and provide that leadership we need. I think Black being the 6th man and primary ball handler on the 2nd unit will thrive having Klay’s spacing and Moe’s rolling ability.

These deals allow us to get a real look at our core with some actual spacing and still allow them to grow their games even more.

Thoughts?