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OakleyDokely wrote:Dalek wrote:I am worried about an older prospect with poor awareness, but maybe people see something different.
Newell is an older Freshman, so he's only about a year younger than Fleming. Fleming will be 21 and Newell 20 by the start of the season.
ishoy123 wrote:manjusaka wrote:I am not sure which has more value in today’s NBA playoffs: long athletic 3D forwards or defensive C? Specifically, Essengue, Newell, Bryant vs Maluach.
If there's anything to learn, it's that you shouldn't label players as low-upside based on superficial comparisons or measurements. Brunson went in the 2nd round and was viewed as an unathletic, low-upside player. Haliburton was an old tweener with mediocre athleticism. People didn't think Siakam would do anything beyond rebounding.
OakleyDokely wrote:ishoy123 wrote:manjusaka wrote:I am not sure which has more value in today’s NBA playoffs: long athletic 3D forwards or defensive C? Specifically, Essengue, Newell, Bryant vs Maluach.
If there's anything to learn, it's that you shouldn't label players as low-upside based on superficial comparisons or measurements. Brunson went in the 2nd round and was viewed as an unathletic, low-upside player. Haliburton was an old tweener with mediocre athleticism. People didn't think Siakam would do anything beyond rebounding.
and all those guys were very productive college players
usually the numbers don't lie
WuTang_OG wrote:
ishoy123 wrote:manjusaka wrote:I am not sure which has more value in today’s NBA playoffs: long athletic 3D forwards or defensive C? Specifically, Essengue, Newell, Bryant vs Maluach.
If there's anything to learn, it's that you shouldn't label players as low-upside based on superficial comparisons or measurements. Brunson went in the 2nd round and was viewed as an unathletic, low-upside player. Haliburton was an old tweener with mediocre athleticism. People didn't think Siakam would do anything beyond rebounding.
Dalek wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:Dalek wrote:I am worried about an older prospect with poor awareness, but maybe people see something different.
Newell is an older Freshman, so he's only about a year younger than Fleming. Fleming will be 21 and Newell 20 by the start of the season.
That makes it more worrying to me. Fleming has been in college for 3 years and is still making mistakes playing in the A10. Newell was a frosh and playing in the much tougher SEC.
Clutch0z24 wrote:ishoy123 wrote:manjusaka wrote:I am not sure which has more value in today’s NBA playoffs: long athletic 3D forwards or defensive C? Specifically, Essengue, Newell, Bryant vs Maluach.
If there's anything to learn, it's that you shouldn't label players as low-upside based on superficial comparisons or measurements. Brunson went in the 2nd round and was viewed as an unathletic, low-upside player. Haliburton was an old tweener with mediocre athleticism. People didn't think Siakam would do anything beyond rebounding.
Yep this how i feel....Lots of people in this thread are all about measurements/body size....That can sometimes trick you into drafting a player who may never develop the actual basketball skills to be a good NBA player....
To me skills are the most important thing in a prospect....Skills/Feel for game/Basketball IQ....Hard to develop them things....Also if you are picking a player on their measurments alone you better have at least one elite skill or shown you can do something good at the lower levels....
2 things you never do imo when it comes to drafting....Don't draft off measurements and don't draft off what ifs alone.....Sometimes them things can make you draft busts....Draft off what your eyes see & use the stats a little as well....Even if stats don't tell the whole story its rare that someone with bad stats at the college level becomes great at the next levels...
DG88 wrote:https://www.nba.com/blazers/videos/jase-richardson-pre-draft-workout-may-29-2025
WuTang_OG wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2025-nba-mock-draft-6-0-the-best-shooting-guards-available/
CoinTossRoss31 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
If San Antonio can get Giannis for a combination of picks only that would set them up for the future incredibly.
#2 , #14, 2027 first, 2029 first and some salary.
Lets them keep Castle and roll with
Castle
Fox
Barnes
Giannis
Wemby
sheesh
JCP11 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:ishoy123 wrote:
If there's anything to learn, it's that you shouldn't label players as low-upside based on superficial comparisons or measurements. Brunson went in the 2nd round and was viewed as an unathletic, low-upside player. Haliburton was an old tweener with mediocre athleticism. People didn't think Siakam would do anything beyond rebounding.
Yep this how i feel....Lots of people in this thread are all about measurements/body size....That can sometimes trick you into drafting a player who may never develop the actual basketball skills to be a good NBA player....
To me skills are the most important thing in a prospect....Skills/Feel for game/Basketball IQ....Hard to develop them things....Also if you are picking a player on their measurments alone you better have at least one elite skill or shown you can do something good at the lower levels....
2 things you never do imo when it comes to drafting....Don't draft off measurements and don't draft off what ifs alone.....Sometimes them things can make you draft busts....Draft off what your eyes see & use the stats a little as well....Even if stats don't tell the whole story its rare that someone with bad stats at the college level becomes great at the next levels...
While true, putting these guys in the right mix of guys is equally important. Brunson needs big dudes around him to compensate for his lack of height or Pascal needs as many shooters around him to allow him to operate inside. Finding the right mix is as equally important. Sometimes you need more talented, sometimes you need more size in the middle, sometimes more shot creation, etc.
Some people give flack to Masai for giving up too quick on the Vanvleet, OG, Pascal, Scottie core but the truth is the mix wasn't right. All these guys ended up in perfect situations for their skills.
DG88 wrote:https://www.nba.com/blazers/videos/jase-richardson-pre-draft-workout-may-29-2025
Dalek wrote:DG88 wrote:https://www.nba.com/blazers/videos/jase-richardson-pre-draft-workout-may-29-2025
Blazers and Hornets have such good draft content, while Raptors hide more and more in the shadows each year. It is such a missed opportunity to engage with fans in this process which more people are into following.
