KD to the Spurs

[One_and_Done]

If the Suns want to send KD to the Spurs, how about the Spurs send filler salary and 2 lotto protected firsts. That is a price I'm sure the Spurs would pay.

[Saberestar]

You aren't getting 3 future unprotected firsts for one year of KD. Temper expectations mate.

How do you know it?

It's not just one year. He would agree to extend with them before the start of the season and they will have him for three years. They can't get him otherwise.

Common sense? He just doesn't hold that kind of value. What makes you think he does?

Do you know about the offer that the GSW made to the Suns at the deadline? Do you want to ignore the package that a team wanted to trade for him 3 months ago?

KD is like Curry and LeBron. They aren't your typical old players that don't hold value because they are old. They are different.

The Suns were 3-17 without him this season. That alone talks about his impact on the court.

[BlazersBroncos]

How do you know it?

It's not just one year. He would agree to extend with them before the start of the season and they will have him for three years. They can't get him otherwise.

Common sense? He just doesn't hold that kind of value. What makes you think he does?

Do you know about the offer that the GSW made to the Suns at the deadline? Do you want to ignore the package that a team wanted to trade for him 3 months ago?

KD is like Curry and LeBron. They aren't your typical old players that don't hold value because they are old. They are different.

The Suns were 3-17 without him this season. That alone talks about his impact on the court.

KD jumps ship whenever the winds blow unfavorably - being on a 1 year deal makes him a legit flight risk for any team trading for him. He might come to SAS, jam his toe, blame the trainer for not pointing out the corner of the door and walk with discontent next offseason.

LBJ wouldnt command a decent young 18ppg guy (Vassell) a late lotto pick (14) and 3 UNP FRP. I would wager even Curry wouldnt pull that at this stage. KD certainly is in the same camp. He has also played something like 271 of 400 games since his Achilles - 67% of games. You have to assume he continues to be around that number due to age. So your looking at a guy likely to play something like 55-65 games per year.

These are not even 34 or 35 year olds we are talking about. KD is going into his age 37 season. Curry into his age 37 season. LBJ into his age 41 season. We are talking unprecedently old players and we have to assume guys with these miles are devalued (We literally have to assume because players of these ages really have not existed on the trade market before).

I could see an argument for Vassell, filler, #14 and a future LP FRP. Even that is pretty heavy for me.

No team is trading its future for guys that are a few years past what once was considered retirement age.

[Nate the Great]

You aren't getting 3 future unprotected firsts for one year of KD. Temper expectations mate.

How do you know it?

It's not just one year. He would agree to extend with them before the start of the season and they will have him for three years. They can't get him otherwise.

So they’d be paying him a huge salary when he’s 40. That’s not necessarily a positive.

[Texas Chuck]

How do you know it?

It's not just one year. He would agree to extend with them before the start of the season and they will have him for three years. They can't get him otherwise.

Common sense? He just doesn't hold that kind of value. What makes you think he does?

Do you know about the offer that the GSW made to the Suns at the deadline? Do you want to ignore the package that a team wanted to trade for him 3 months ago?

KD is like Curry and LeBron. They aren't your typical old players that don't hold value because they are old. They are different.

The Suns were 3-17 without him this season. That alone talks about his impact on the court.

Send me a link to what you believe the offer to have been. Let me see the credibility. Also important to note a couple of really key things:

1. He did not get traded to GSW
2. He now has one less playoff run available and it figured to be the best one.

But we will see. When he gets traded for far less than that I'm sure you will both eat your crow and not post what a great deal the Suns just made after telling us they were going to get more than twice what he returned. And you have my word, if he returns a lotto pick and 3 unprotected firsts I will make sure everyone knows that you knew you it and I will eat all the crow you want to serve.

[Mr Puddles]

Common sense? He just doesn't hold that kind of value. What makes you think he does?

Do you know about the offer that the GSW made to the Suns at the deadline? Do you want to ignore the package that a team wanted to trade for him 3 months ago?

KD is like Curry and LeBron. They aren't your typical old players that don't hold value because they are old. They are different.

The Suns were 3-17 without him this season. That alone talks about his impact on the court.

Send me a link to what you believe the offer to have been. Let me see the credibility. Also important to note a couple of really key things:

1. He did not get traded to GSW
2. He now has one less playoff run available and it figured to be the best one.

But we will see. When he gets traded for far less than that I'm sure you will both eat your crow and not post what a great deal the Suns just made after telling us they were going to get more than twice what he returned. And you have my word, if he returns a lotto pick and 3 unprotected firsts I will make sure everyone knows that you knew you it and I will eat all the crow you want to serve.

According to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Brian Windhorst

Phoenix would have received Butler, the Warriors' Jonathan Kuminga, the Washington Wizards' Jonas Valanciunas, two first-round picks and two second-round picks in exchange for Durant.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-addresses-trade-deadline-future-with-suns-everybody-is-bought-and-sold-in-this-league/

According to Gambo:

would have netted Phoenix Jonathan Kuminga, Jonas Valanciunas, Jimmy Butler, and a bevy of first-round picks.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Not saying that the Suns will get the same for KD at the deadline, situations change, but this trade has been environment tested. Therefore it's also unlikely that the Suns would turn down this package only to turn around a couple months later to pull the trigger on a trade that returns significantly less.

For the record, I also don't think the Suns will get three unprotected picks for KD, just providing context. OP's offer seems pretty close to what was reported at the deadline.

[Slim Charless]

If the Suns want to send KD to the Spurs, how about the Spurs send filler salary and 2 lotto protected firsts. That is a price I'm sure the Spurs would pay.

Sure, as long as Castle is part of the filler.

Otherwise gut your team for Giannis. It seems apparent that the team wants to move up the Wemby window as proven by the Fox trade. Durant is a great middle ground as opposed to sending everyone not named Victor or DeAaron to MIL, including all the picks.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah so we don't know what picks, only they definitely aren't 3 unprotected plus a lottery pick. And sorry but Gambo just isn't a source I put any stock in.

Appreciate the links though. So that reported offer was considerably lower than the one being insisted as a minimum return here for two playoff runs. So while you believe the Suns will anchor down there and not accept much less, I think they won't get offers like that again. Warriors have two aging stars. So each playoff run is precious. Plus they made a different move and it worked out really well.

But its okay, I think its quite likely he gets traded and we can see if he returns a massive bounty approaching Sabrestar's line in the sand.

[Slim Charless]

Do you know about the offer that the GSW made to the Suns at the deadline? Do you want to ignore the package that a team wanted to trade for him 3 months ago?

KD is like Curry and LeBron. They aren't your typical old players that don't hold value because they are old. They are different.

The Suns were 3-17 without him this season. That alone talks about his impact on the court.

Send me a link to what you believe the offer to have been. Let me see the credibility. Also important to note a couple of really key things:

1. He did not get traded to GSW
2. He now has one less playoff run available and it figured to be the best one.

But we will see. When he gets traded for far less than that I'm sure you will both eat your crow and not post what a great deal the Suns just made after telling us they were going to get more than twice what he returned. And you have my word, if he returns a lotto pick and 3 unprotected firsts I will make sure everyone knows that you knew you it and I will eat all the crow you want to serve.

According to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Brian Windhorst

Phoenix would have received Butler, the Warriors' Jonathan Kuminga, the Washington Wizards' Jonas Valanciunas, two first-round picks and two second-round picks in exchange for Durant.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-addresses-trade-deadline-future-with-suns-everybody-is-bought-and-sold-in-this-league/

According to Gambo:

would have netted Phoenix Jonathan Kuminga, Jonas Valanciunas, Jimmy Butler, and a bevy of first-round picks.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Not saying that the Suns will get the same for KD at the deadline, situations change, but this trade has been environment tested. Therefore it's also unlikely that the Suns would turn down the package only to turn around a couple months later to pull the trigger on a trade that returns significantly less.

For the record, I also don't think the Suns will get three unprotected picks for KD, just providing context. OP's offer seems pretty close to what was reported at the deadline.

I said the same thing to Chuck and another Dallas mod here and they just plainly refused to believe the offer was made. Maybe your post will convince the group....

[Texas Chuck]

I said the same thing to Chuck and another Dallas mod here and they just plainly refused to believe the offer was made. Maybe your post will convince the group....

Wait so the demand was a lottery pick and 3 unprotected picks and the link, which we don't know the veracity of, but for the sake of argument let's say its factual, tells us the offer was less than that.

And you expect me to still believe what he posted?

I want Durant to be worth what we claim even when our "proof" says otherwise. But again you will get to pound your chest if you get that. Sure hope you keep the same energy when he doesn't return that though.

[One_and_Done]

If the Suns want to send KD to the Spurs, how about the Spurs send filler salary and 2 lotto protected firsts. That is a price I'm sure the Spurs would pay.

Sure, as long as Castle is part of the filler.

Otherwise gut your team for Giannis. It seems apparent that the team wants to move up the Wemby window as proven by the Fox trade. Durant is a great middle ground as opposed to sending everyone not named Victor or DeAaron to MIL, including all the picks.

No, Castle isn't filler. This is reminding me of Kings fans insisting they would get a huge haul for Fox.

[Slim Charless]

If the Suns want to send KD to the Spurs, how about the Spurs send filler salary and 2 lotto protected firsts. That is a price I'm sure the Spurs would pay.

Sure, as long as Castle is part of the filler.

Otherwise gut your team for Giannis. It seems apparent that the team wants to move up the Wemby window as proven by the Fox trade. Durant is a great middle ground as opposed to sending everyone not named Victor or DeAaron to MIL, including all the picks.

No, Castle isn't filler. This is reminding me of Kings fans insisting they would get a huge haul for Fox.

Yup. Exactly the same.....

Minus the MVPs both in the Finals and reg season, the scoring titles, the future HOF, the gold medals, the 1st team all NBA selections, the 2nd team all NBA selections, the 3rd team all NBA selections and the all star selections, the effieciency both shooting and on defense and massive size difference along with the general talent. Aside from that, same thing.

I know you are about to say something about age of course so go ahead.....

[One_and_Done]

Sure, as long as Castle is part of the filler.

Otherwise gut your team for Giannis. It seems apparent that the team wants to move up the Wemby window as proven by the Fox trade. Durant is a great middle ground as opposed to sending everyone not named Victor or DeAaron to MIL, including all the picks.

No, Castle isn't filler. This is reminding me of Kings fans insisting they would get a huge haul for Fox.

Yup. Exactly the same.....

Minus the MVPs both in the Finals and reg season, the scoring titles, the future HOF, the gold medals, the 1st team all NBA selections, the 2nd team all NBA selections, the 3rd team all NBA selections and the all star selections, the effieciency both shooting and on defense and massive size difference along with the general talent. Aside from that, same thing.

I know you are about to say something about age of course so go ahead.....

Except KD is 37, and has an injury history. He actually has much less trade value than Fox did.

[Saberestar]

Yeah so we don't know what picks, only they definitely aren't 3 unprotected plus a lottery pick. And sorry but Gambo just isn't a source I put any stock in.

Appreciate the links though. So that reported offer was considerably lower than the one being insisted as a minimum return here for two playoff runs. So while you believe the Suns will anchor down there and not accept much less, I think they won't get offers like that again. Warriors have two aging stars. So each playoff run is precious. Plus they made a different move and it worked out really well.

But its okay, I think its quite likely he gets traded and we can see if he returns a massive bounty approaching Sabrestar's line in the sand.

You can hear the offer from Shams himself here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/1oMGwrswp7

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, first round picks, 2nd round picks and swaps.

That's a much MUCH better offer than the one proposed here and that's why I think that Vassell, Barnes, #14 and 3 FRPs are a realistic offer for KD.

[psman2]

Sure, as long as Castle is part of the filler.

Otherwise gut your team for Giannis. It seems apparent that the team wants to move up the Wemby window as proven by the Fox trade. Durant is a great middle ground as opposed to sending everyone not named Victor or DeAaron to MIL, including all the picks.

No, Castle isn't filler. This is reminding me of Kings fans insisting they would get a huge haul for Fox.

Yup. Exactly the same.....

Minus the MVPs both in the Finals and reg season, the scoring titles, the future HOF, the gold medals, the 1st team all NBA selections, the 2nd team all NBA selections, the 3rd team all NBA selections and the all star selections, the effieciency both shooting and on defense and massive size difference along with the general talent. Aside from that, same thing.

I know you are about to say something about age of course so go ahead.....

How many players age 37 or older have been a top 3 player on a team that has won a single playoff series in the last 40 years? The list is Lebron, Kareem, Duncan and this year Curry. With Duncan and Kareem the only player to win it all as a top 3 player on their team after turning 37. Kareem and Duncan were a long time members of dynasties. Lebron got his bubble trophy at age 35, and went to the conference finals at 38 and got swept by Denver. Curry turned 37 2 months ago and won a single series.

No player has ever been traded to a team at this age with the expectation of being a top 3 player and actually won a playoff series. Durant would be the 1st player ever if it happens. Teams are just not going to sacrifice a ton of value to try to make history.

[psman2]

Yeah so we don't know what picks, only they definitely aren't 3 unprotected plus a lottery pick. And sorry but Gambo just isn't a source I put any stock in.

Appreciate the links though. So that reported offer was considerably lower than the one being insisted as a minimum return here for two playoff runs. So while you believe the Suns will anchor down there and not accept much less, I think they won't get offers like that again. Warriors have two aging stars. So each playoff run is precious. Plus they made a different move and it worked out really well.

But its okay, I think its quite likely he gets traded and we can see if he returns a massive bounty approaching Sabrestar's line in the sand.

You can hear the offer from Shams himself here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/1oMGwrswp7

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, first round picks, 2nd round picks and swaps.

That's a much MUCH better offer than that the one proposed here and that's why I think that Vassell, Barnes, #14 and 3 FRPs are a realistic offer for KD.

Not really. Basically Butler went for a 2025 1st which landed at 20 and Davion Mitchell who was valued at a single 2nd.

So pick 20, a 2nd....then you have Kuminga who after the season he just had had very little value going into the deadline, maybe could have got another later 1st for him 25+. Then you have 2 more 1st of unknown protections and from what team and a couple of 2nds.

14 >= to 20 and what Kuminga likely could have fetched.
3 future unprotected picks > Two mystery 1sts and 3 2nds. Pick protections can wildly swing the value of a trade.

Plus the receiving team is now getting one less playoff run out of KD which at his age was likely expected to be his best one. You are being obtuse if you don't think that fact won't greatly alter the offers.

[jredsaz]

No, Castle isn't filler. This is reminding me of Kings fans insisting they would get a huge haul for Fox.

Yup. Exactly the same.....

Minus the MVPs both in the Finals and reg season, the scoring titles, the future HOF, the gold medals, the 1st team all NBA selections, the 2nd team all NBA selections, the 3rd team all NBA selections and the all star selections, the effieciency both shooting and on defense and massive size difference along with the general talent. Aside from that, same thing.

I know you are about to say something about age of course so go ahead.....

How many players age 37 or older have been a top 3 player on a team that has won a single playoff series in the last 40 years? The list is Lebron, Kareem, Duncan and this year Curry. With Duncan and Kareem the only player to win it all as a top 3 player on their team after turning 37. Kareem and Duncan were a long time members of dynasties. Lebron got his bubble trophy at age 35, and went to the conference finals at 38 and got swept by Denver. Curry turned 37 2 months ago and won a single series.

No player has ever been traded to a team at this age with the expectation of being a top 3 player and actually won a playoff series. Durant would be the 1st player ever if it happens. Teams are just not going to sacrifice a ton of value to try to make history.

Um, none of them were playing with a guy like Wemby. I don’t get why Durant is all of a sudden going to be a bad player. In fact, as a third option, he’d probably be the best third option in the NBA.

[Texas Chuck]

my favorite part of all this is when he gets traded, these same posters are going to tell us what great value teh Suns got. No matter what it is. And if this thread is any indication they will do lots of mental gymnastics to tell you why mediocre players are worth the same as unprotected 1sts, because we already have both Kuminga and pick 20 treated as very high level assets to justify that and well....uh....they aren't.

[jredsaz]

my favorite part of all this is when he gets traded, these same posters are going to tell us what great value teh Suns got. No matter what it is. And if this thread is any indication they will do lots of mental gymnastics to tell you why mediocre players are worth the same as unprotected 1sts, because we already have both Kuminga and pick 20 treated as very high level assets to justify that and well....uh....they aren't.

First, don’t think that’s fair to paint all suns fans with the same brush. Second, I’m sure the majority of fans will jump through hoops on this board to rationalize a move their team made after the fact.

[Texas Chuck]

my favorite part of all this is when he gets traded, these same posters are going to tell us what great value teh Suns got. No matter what it is. And if this thread is any indication they will do lots of mental gymnastics to tell you why mediocre players are worth the same as unprotected 1sts, because we already have both Kuminga and pick 20 treated as very high level assets to justify that and well....uh....they aren't.

First, don’t think that’s fair to paint all suns fans with the same brush. Second, I’m sure the majority of fans will jump through hoops on this board to rationalize a move their team made after the fact.

I didn't say all Suns posters. I said these same posters. I am aware we have Suns posters who don't misrepresent trade offers and who aren't asking for Giannis returns for non-Giannis. But we have multiple posters who are.